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[gutter_trash]

No he's right. Planned Parenthood is a part of the establisment wherever you like it or not.

everything government run is part of the establishment

What does he want? the Private sector to get involved? then he will scream special interests

 

[Eidan]

No he's right. Planned Parenthood is a part of the establisment wherever you like it or not.

He comes off as a moron because he framed two organizations that are heavily vilified by the GOP, and heavily supported by his base, in the same context as Wall Street, the main adversarial entity of his campaign. It was a stupid move from a communications standpoint, and as a seasoned politician he should have known better.

 

[fantomena]

Got some bad news for you then.

I get a paywall there.

 

[dramatis]

Just chalk it up to him being salty about the endorsements, and move on.

We're very close to the Iowa caucus, every step from here on has to be extremely careful. I don't like having outrage over every small thing, or else the Dem primary will turn into a list of "he/she said this!" threads.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Quick! Release a statement of apology and clarify your stance!

 

[Jawbreaker]

Even if it was poorly stated (it was) and he has a better explanation (he will almost certainly clarify), the damage has been done. Mentioning PP in any way that can be construed as an attack isn't going to go over well, even if he supports their services. The timing is just terrible considering PP was recently the subject of misinformed attacks from political opponents.

 

[JustenP88]

When you realize this, he is only fucking up in the sense that voters won't let him get away with pointing out problems on their side of the line in the sand.

Yeeeeeeeup. Blind party allegiance bullshit is out of control.

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

Gratz, Trump.

Looks like you've done the impossible - sat back and watched the Democrats implode without even instigating it.

OMG 😂😭😂😭

 

[Vice]

I get a paywall there.

It's an article about how Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz are part of the establishment. Even though they say they aren't part of it constantly, despite their many years as parts of the establishment.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yeeeeeeeup. Blind party allegiance bullshit is out of control.

there are only two parties; whacha gonna do? vote for the other party?

 

[Hellsing321]

I feel like this will play well with his Reddit supporters and no one else.

 

[noshten]

Sanders comes off like an moran here

you forgot

Spoiler

/s

 

[injurai]

Perfect. No need to try to paint them as an enemy of his campaign over an endorsement.

As the enemy? He never painted them as the enemy, he pointed out that they choose the play the game that is in town. A game that quite frankly tries to defund them. Hillary would be far more effective to PP in the senate, with Bernie in executive office working to bring PP under the government as an extension of single payer health services.

He's entirely right in what he said. Because he wasn't cushioning his point in the same breath with praise for all the reasons why he does care about PP, some people try to inject a position that he doesn't actually hold. They'd rather demand pleasant soundbite rhetoric than dealing with nitty gritty nuance.

 

[Pastry]

Even if it was poorly stated (it was) and he has a better explanation (he will almost certainly clarify), the damage has been done. Mentioning PP in any way that can be construed as an attack isn't going to go over well, even if he supports their services. The timing is just terrible considering PP was recently the subject of misinformed attacks from political opponents.

It's too late to affect Iowa or NH but this will be on repeat for every other state and essentially fucks him in making inroads with women and minorities. Like, really fucks him.

 

[Arkeband]

Probably could have communicated that better

The problem is that these frequent poliGAF posters know better, but are pretending to not understand the nuance themselves because the drama and tears of Bernie supporters posts are too delicious to pass up.

If the media actually buys into this lazy misrepresentation of what he said, it could affect his poll numbers. Who knows.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Pandering to the Trump base? That's a bold move there, Cotton

 

[gutter_trash]

you forgot

Spoiler

/s

that

Spoiler

/s

is reserved for his upper middle class college millennial supporters

 

[Afrodium]

When you realize this, he is only fucking up in the sense that voters won't let him get away with pointing out problems on their side of the line in the sand.

Said way better than I could. Agreed.

 

[Ogrekiller]

As the enemy? He never painted them as the enemy, he pointed out that they choose the play the game that is in town. A game that quite frankly tries to defund them. Hillary would be far more effect to PP in the senate, with Bernie in executive office working to bring PP under the government as an extension of single payer health services.

He's entirely right in what he said. Because he wasn't cushioning it, and in the same breath with praise for all the reasons why he does care about PP, some people try to inject a position that he doesn't actually hold. They'd rather demand pleasant soundbite rhetoric than dealing with nitty gritty nuance.

But that's Bernie's entire game.*

*Note: This post may or may not have been paid for by Wall Street interests.

 

[jmood88]

The Iowa caucus is just over a week from today.

Bernie's biggest weakness is his lack of support from women and minorities.

So his solution is to call out Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Fund, two groups which respectively represent concerns important to women and minorities.

Along with openly courting Trump's racist supporters.

 

[Transhuman]

everything government run is part of the establishment

What does he want? the Private sector to get involved? then he will scream special interests

The quote is in reference to a question he was asked about whether he considers himself as a competitor for the endorsements of different Democratic aligned interest group with Hilary. Which you probably didn't know because it's nowhere in the OP.

"While I'm disappointed with their endorsement of Hillary, they play a crucial role in women and LGBT rights in America and I look forward to working with them should I (or when I) get the Democratic nomination."

And done.

Add it to the OP.

 

[ant_]

I feel like this will play well with his Reddit supporters and no one else.

Are you saying that the "Reddit supporters" are the ones who won't take this quote out of context and misrepresent Bernie's stance on Planned Parenthood? Not sure what you're getting at.

 

[collige]

He's entirely right in what he said. Because he wasn't cushioning it, and in the same breath with praise for all the reasons why he does care about PP, some people try to inject a position that he doesn't actually hold. They'd rather demand pleasant soundbite rhetoric than dealing with nitty gritty nuance.

He's running for President and PP has recently come under attack for total bullshit reasons. He should be smart enough to know that soundbites are how the media operates and not say shit that can be construed to make him look like a sexist. As someone who wants him to win, I'd prefer he didn't throw his campaign.

 

[Veritigo_X]

As the enemy? He never painted them as the enemy, he pointed out that they choose the play the game that is in town. A game that quite frankly tries to defund them. Hillary would be far more effective to PP in the senate, with Bernie in executive office working to bring PP under the government as an extension of single payer health services.

He's entirely right in what he said. Because he wasn't cushioning his point in the same breath with praise for all the reasons why he does care about PP, some people try to inject a position that he doesn't actually hold. They'd rather demand pleasant soundbite rhetoric than dealing with nitty gritty nuance.

His entire campaign has been painting the establishment as being against him. Maybe enemy was a strong word to use, but he's clearly lumping them in with a process he is looking at fighting. In the context of everything going on with PP lately, that wasn't the best choice of words to use.

 

[LegendofLex]

Got some bad news for you then.

This article is using a definition of "establishment candidate" that means "member of a political body."

Bernie Sander is using a definition of "establishment candidate" that means "candidate funded by large wealthy organizations and susceptible to their influence."

 

[SenorArdilla]

It's an article about how Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz are part of the establishment. Even though they say they aren't part of it constantly, despite their many years as parts of the establishment.

They're establishment because they've worked in the establishment and with the establishment, making them establishment members.

The only outsider is Donald Trump because he is the only one who wasn't a politician before running for office.

 

[JustenP88]

there are only two parties; whacha gonna do? vote for the other party?

Nah... It was predictable that at least one of you guys was going to take this down that road. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not voting Republican.

Someone, at some point needs to put pressure on Democrats. They should strive to be better than "at least we're not republicans". Also, they're shit in the south and it's about time people stopped making excuses and abandoning it as a lost cause.

Add it to the OP.

But, that would kinda cut through the bullshit narrative, wouldn't it?

EDIT: Alright, that's not a real quote. I'm an ass.

 

[injurai]

He's running for President and PP has recently come under attack for total bullshit reasons. He should be smart enough to know that soundbites are how the media operates and not say shit that can be construed to make him look like a sexist. As someone who wants him to win, I'd prefer he didn't throw his campaign.

I'd agree, but people really show their color when they'd rather hold people to the standards of soundbite communication. There is so much to be gained by properly contextualizing these things.

 

[GaimeGuy]

The title is a misrepresentation, but that was an incredibly poorly worded response.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The quote is in reference to a question he was asked about whether he considers himself as a competitor for the endorsements of different Democratic aligned interest group with Hilary. Which you probably didn't know because it's nowhere in the OP.



Add it to the OP.

Add what to the OP? My suggestion for what he should have said? You know I wrote that quote right, Sanders didn't actually say it.

 

[Arkeband]

Are you saying that the "Reddit supporters" are the ones who won't take this quote out of context and misrepresent Bernie's stance on Planned Parenthood? Not sure what you're getting at.

Reddit has a boner for Bernie.
GAF has Hillary supporters that make Daily Mail type threads over anything going on in Bernie's campaign. (Look up the OP of the Bernie voter data debacle thread, it's everything we condemn from the right but A-OK as long as it's pro-Hillary.)

There are no standards or civil discourse when it comes to Bernie related threads. It's really disappointing.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Sanders' true colors are showing. He'll burn women's rights to the ground if it means getting the nomination. Who else is part of the evil establishment? The YMCA?

 

[Randam]

Don't think he is against planed parenthood, just the organisation!?

 

[excelsiorlef]

But, that would kinda cut through the bullshit narrative, wouldn't it?

I fucking wrote that. Me not Sanders. It's what he should have said not what he said

 

[JustenP88]

Sanders' true colors are showing. He'll burn women's rights to the ground if it means getting the nomination. Who else is part of the evil establishment? The YMCA?

Jesus Christ lol

I fucking wrote that. Me not Sanders. It's what he should have said not what he said

Yeah, I edited. I'm an ass for not following up on that. My bad.

 

[Protein]

Sanders' true colors are showing. He'll burn women's rights to the ground if it means getting the nomination. Who else is part of the evil establishment? The YMCA?

You can never trust a socialist.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

If I've learned anything this election cycle, it's that the crazier you are, the better your chances are. I guess Bernie must have just figured that out too...

 

[Leona Lewis]

Add what to the OP? My suggestion for what he should have said? You know I wrote that quote right, Sanders didn't actually say it.

I fucking wrote that. Me not Sanders. It's what he should have said not what he said

lol

I can't tell if they're being ironic or just obtuse.

 

[giga]

Jesus Christ lol

He's not wrong. Sanders can't be trusted now.

 

[Jawbreaker]

Sanders' true colors are showing. He'll burn women's rights to the ground if it means getting the nomination. Who else is part of the evil establishment? The YMCA?

You forgot the PTA.

Fuck the Parent Teacher Association! To hell with those unscrupulous devils!

 

[entremet]

Yeah, but if he wanted to make that point then he should've been more specific and talked names. His statement as it is paints the entire organizations as establishment stooges.

When going after the establishment, you make damn sure you're talking about a minority of powerful people controlling the narrative.

I'm not a Bernie supporter, but I do agree that it was poor communication on his part.

But I'm not gonna get involved in the same gotcha politics that GOP used so effectively.

Again, it's a huge blunder, but I'm not going to hold it against him. His platform is explicitly pro women's choice.

 

[gutter_trash]

Don't think he is against planed parenthood, just the organisation!?

aren't all those types of organization called organizations?

this has gotten really ridiculous, most of them require support from politicians locally, state and congress

what does he expect? them to be sparkly spotless without help from politicians?

what is he? hmmm a politician

 

[ApharmdX]

I like you Bernie but this is the wrong approach. Planned Parenthood IS establishment, but they are literally fighting for the lives so they have to be pragmatic. From their perspective, supporting Hillary makes the most sense.

Turns out that Democrats really aren't that different from Republicans.

The prohibitive front-runner for the Republicans wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country, including Muslim citizens abroad. The establishment front-runner isn't sure that he believes in an exception for the life of the mother as far as abortion. So get out of here with this nonsense.

 

[noshten]

Sanders' true colors are showing. He'll burn women's rights to the ground if it means getting the nomination. Who else is part of the evil establishment? The YMCA?

Thank you for the input

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand you lost me.

And people were wondering out loud why PP put the endorsement behind Hillary.



Edit: FFS OP. Context is your friend.

 

[Fenderputty]

PP is just another oligarch puppet Bernie and his legion must challenge at all costs.

 

[JustenP88]

He's not wrong. Sanders can't be trusted now.

How is an expression of disappointment that he missed out on an endorsement from an organization that he has unequivocally supported some sort of proof that he can't be trusted? You think he's just going to abandon all of his prior positions on women and reproductive rights from this quote?

I missed the part where he was planning on dismantling PP. I also missed the part where this blurb would have any sort of effect on anything other than giving Hillary supporters another "look at the sexist, racist white guy" deflection to rally around.

 

[SenorArdilla]

I wonder what's taking the Sanders campaign so long to respond to this.

 

[Slayven]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand you lost me.

And people were wondering out loud why PP put the endorsement behind Hillary.

And demonizing them for it.

Twitter streets hot on this

 

[Alexlf]

I love it. The mindless vitriol against anything that challenges what is "good" regardless of merit. Down with political corruption!.... unless it's helping me, then I support it!