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[BobbyRobby]

If it wasn't required at all for gameplay, the exclusion is kind of lame.

One thing I always enjoyed about playing Japanese games is the culture shock and seeing bizzare things.

The same logic against this dumb minigame would bar something like Sexy Parodius from Western release that is a genuinely great game.

And if some weirdo otakus are getting off to this minigame, who cares? Let them be happy.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Censorship is a word that should have some real fucking weight to it. Instead, it's been rendered meaningless due to the gaming community's constant hissy fits over looks, volleyball and now a stupid mini game.

"Hey guys, it's only censorship if the content that's censored is content I care about. "

 

[Weebos]

Not really happy about them chopping up the game like this.

The fan translation of the JP version is basically near complete now, and from the looks of it is fantastic. I'll just import that version, use the patch on my 3DS and play it as originally intended.

Can't say it is fantastic from what I have seen, but I'm also pickier than most.

I typically don't touch fan projects at all.

 

[Ridley327]

Well at least this thread showed me where people actually stand in discussions.


Why mercenaries in particular? It's the same thing.

Nobody knows! It's the weirdest damn thing.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Wasn't really interested in the minigame, but I'll sure miss all the "fire emblem is ruined" whining it spawned.

There seems to be more talk about potential whining than actual whining.

 

[A Huge Battleship]

Wasn't really interested in the minigame, but I'll sure miss all the "fire emblem is ruined" whining it spawned.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Not really happy about them chopping up the game like this.

For a second I thought you were talking about the chopping of the game into two $40 pokemon-style SKUs, which is a far more anti-consumer move than the removal of a waifu petting minigame.

 

[YianGaruga]

Why mercenaries in particular? It's the same thing.

Because in Mercenaries you only kill humans for points, without any other reason behind it. Seeing killing as a sport or something that is rewarded or celebrated was usually what the ratings board didn't accept.

Germany has gotten way better about it though. Mercenaries would easily go through these days

 

[deadeyekiwi]

Supports in general trivialize relationships, which reduce them to three comical side encounters and then MARRY ME FOREVER.

I never said that, I assumed that the relationship conversations in awakening represented breakthrough moments after spending a lot of time working together in battle. They could easily have made it inviting a character over just for the conversation and maybe implied off screen stuff, the extended face stroking wasn't necessary for the narrative.

 

[kuroneko0509]

Opinions. How do they work?

Grr, your edit makes more sense. Ignore me.

haha sorry

 

[dimb]

For instance, I might go to the local Six Flags and be used to family friendly themes like DC Superheroes and Loony Tunes stuff. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere there's a gory ride from the Simpsons Itchy and Scratchy Land. This is that argument of tone that some are rejecting.

Do you really feel that this minigame is discordant with the tone of Fire Emblem? Is the minigame really a piece of content someone can find wholly offensive on a level that's separate from the rest of the content in the game?

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Always against censorship.

This a private company adjusting its product for release in a different country. Not the government cracking down on what can't be allowed to release here.

This is called localization. Not actually censorship. Also, this bullshit that was adjusted is fucking stupid and we should all Be glad it's gone so that it hopefully doesn't continue.

 

[RM8]

"Hey guys, it's only censorship if the content that's censored is content I care about. "

In a world where you can be killed for dissenting against the government, don't feel too shocked if people find this to be a super lame situation to cry censorship.

 

[Green Mamba]

Lesser product, used as in, this game has less in it. You may prefer that, but you prefer that the game has less in it. Same product but with less, charged full game price.

As for the bolded, the average member of the western audience would not appreciate a whole host of shit in Fire Emblem. Trying to make it appeal to that audience will require much greater changes than just this. That's why this seems like an arbitrary halfway.

It's not arbitrary at all--it's a feature that wasn't in any of the previous FE's, met with a tepid response in Japan, and generally hasn't tested exactly well with the established western FE fanbase. There's nothing arbitrary about it.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Nobody knows! It's the weirdest damn thing.

Because in Mercenaries you only kill humans for points, without any other reason behind it. Seeing killing as a sport or something that is rewarded or celebrated was usually what the ratings board didn't accept.

Germany has gotten way better about it though. Mercenaries would easily go through these days

Weird indeed.

 

[Soulscribe]

Lol why was that ever a thing

 

[Coffee Dog]

And she was wearing more than underwear with a cape.

I'm going to keep posting this until we stop romanticizing this series' portrayal of "500 year olds". She wore more in awakening by virtue of wearing boots, ffs.

 

[Savitar]

I don't fault them for changing it but at the same time it's sorta weird to be getting censorship again from the big N, reminds me when Nintendo went full out shortly after the NES became a hit until the N64 days they stopped so much.

Good move, bad move, no idea.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

This a private company adjusting its product for release in a different country. Not the government cracking down on what can't be allowed to release here.

This is called localization. Not actually censorship. Also, this bullshit that was adjusted is fucking stupid and we should all Be glad it's gone so that it hopefully doesn't continue.

Government isn't the only entity capable of censorship. If you didn't care for this extra feature, just stick to the main game maybe?

 

[rhandino]

For a second I thought you were talking about the chopping of the game into two $40 pokemon-style SKUs, which is a far more anti-consumer move than the removal of a waifu petting minigame.

They are 3 different games with different maps (and the maps that are reused are tweaked to make them feel fresh) with different casts, gameplay and atmosphere.

People keep saying Pokemon when the games have more in common to the Oracle games.

 

[Little Mons†er]

I think it's good GODTENDO got rid of the Hentai stuff.

 

[elyetis]

Wasn't really interested in the minigame, but I'll sure miss all the "fire emblem is ruined" whining it spawned.

You can't miss what will still be there, it will just be about the art style, female character cloth, relationships in the game, or someone quoting a post with 'waifu' in it.

 

[Coffee Dog]

In a world where you can be killed for dissenting against the government, don't feel too shocked if people find this to be a super lame situation to cry censorship.

We are on a gaming message board. A reality of that is that people are going to use a common term, even a misinformed one, that has been used for years. Every single conversation about this is going to turn into semantics masturbation if we allow it to stop at that point.

 

[VariantX]

The hell? They put pokemon-amie in fire emblem? How could they not know that wasn't going to come off as creepy?

 

[Nightbird]

I think it's good GODTENDO got rid of the Hentai stuff.

But there was no hentai stuff.

Is this bait?

 

[-Horizon-]

I think it's good GODTENDO got rid of the Hentai stuff.

I like this post. Its a good joke post.

Spoiler

it better be a joke post

 

[Azriell]

I don't know much about this touching mini game. If it requires using the stylus then I'm glad they cut it. I hate that shit (games that ask you to pull out the stylus every once in awhile; either use it all the time or never).

But seriously, I wish they didn't remove content. I understand why they are censoring certain parts, but I'd rather play the game as was originally intended. At least give me the option to opt in with an additional download. If a game bothers me that much I'll probably just avoid it instead of asking for censorship.

 

[Zaventem]

Oh man... well i never cared for it in pokemon either lol I guess we can pretend this isn't censorship though.

 

[The12thGripper]

Whenever Nintendo has changed or removed something during localization, it's typically for the better.

The only example I can think of on the top of my head where it wasn't good was with Fatal Frame 5 where they made a scene in the game weird instead of creepy.

I would have probably used this feature once to see how weird it would be but I really don't care that it's gone.

 

[Wilsongt]

IS can keep the waifu mechanic. It worked well enough in Geneology and led to some broken ass children like with Awakening.

I also wouldn't mind a return of the arena system like in Geneology or bonus EXP like with the Tellius games.

I just want a decently challenging Fire Emblem where i have to play smartly, not just using broken characters line Donnel and Panne.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

In a world where you can be killed for dissenting against the government, don't feel too shocked if people find this to be a super lame situation to cry censorship.

I grew up in the Persian Gulf so I know the joys of "real censorship" first-hand.

Regardless of what real issues are happening around us, it's no reason to let petty censorship slip in our entertainment.

 

[Degen]

I remember when FE was all about armies and kingdoms and stuff like that

That was pretty cool

 

[SenorArdilla]

In a world where you can be killed for dissenting against the government, don't feel too shocked if people find this to be a super lame situation to cry censorship.

Relative privation, huh?

 

[wonzo]

This is extremely disappointing. =/ I understand the complaints about the feature (but, like...just ignore it if you don't like it?), but I think a lot of people fail to realize that for gay individuals like myself, this feature was really nice because, as far as I understood, you could use this "petting" feature on any character, including characters of the same sex as your avatar. This was the only way to have any sort of intimacy with same-sex characters outside of the single male and female characters that you can marry with a same-sex avatar. While it's great that the same-sex marriage is still there, and it's certainly a big step up from Awakening that featured none of it, it's still extremely disappointing that there was even more that we could have had, but of course they cut that out of the localization. =/

yeah its really gross cutting some of the very few bits of queer friendly content in the game to appease insecure weenies

 

[WrenchNinja]

I'm going to keep posting this until we stop romanticizing this series' portrayal of "500 year olds". She wore more in awakening by virtue of wearing boots, ffs.

You can try. You'll still be wrong though.

 

[The Technomancer]

Games are art, but they also aren't sculptures or movies. You can have content that only some people will like or do in it and not ruin the whole if it's only optional.

Most people probably didn't like or play through the fishing minigame or sidequests in Nier, and it's hard to call them good. Does the existence of those things ruin the work as a whole?

I don't think you could make an argument that fishing ruined Nier if your argument was that you had to participate in it when factually you don't. But all of the elements of a game contribute towards a vision and a tone the developers create. An argument that the fishing in Nier, optional or not, implied something tonally about how the developers view their work would be a more sound argument (even if I think its incorrect in that instance) and by the same token the argument that "optional" fanservice indicates something about how the developers view their work is also the more sound argument

 

[Weebos]

We are on a gaming message board. A reality of that is that people are going to use a common term, even a misinformed one, that has been used for years. Every single conversation about this is going to turn into semantics masturbation[/I] if we allow it to stop at that point.

As it should until people start using the right words.

It is hard for me to take any argument seriously when it uses a term as loaded and hyperbolic as censorship when talking about localization.

I recognize this isn't a winning battle, but it's a hill I'll die on.

 

[nintendoman58]

I remember when FE was all about armies and kingdoms and stuff like that

That was pretty cool

It is still about that. That hasn't changed.

 

[Velcro Fly]

I'm really not upset by this at all.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

yeah its really gross

Yep, it sucks.

 

[Kinsei]

I'm going to keep posting this until we stop romanticizing this series' portrayal of "500 year olds". She wore more in awakening by virtue of wearing boots, ffs.

Get rid of the sleeves and hat and Link is pretty much wearing the same thing.

Compared to Nowi Tiki looks like a nun.

 

[Rinさとり]

Well thats it. im not buying anymore Treehouse butcher jobs thats for sure. Going to just sell my 3ds/wiiu now

 

[Coffee Dog]

Whenever Nintendo has changed or removed something during localization, it's typically for the better.

The only example I can think of on the top of my head where it wasn't good was with Fatal Frame 5 where they made a scene in the game weird instead of creepy.

I would have probably used this feature once to see how weird it would be but I really don't care that it's gone.

I'm still upset that they took one of the only positive trans characters (Vivian from TTYD), (and one of the only trans characters that you spend significant time with in general in games) and made her a cis woman in the release of TTYD, likely because trans characters are not viewed as family friendly.

So I don't really like blanket statements like that, when that particular example is particularly annoying to me.

 

[suzu]

NGL I wanted to see how absurd it could get w/ the male characters, but I'm also kinda like whatever.

I'm more annoyed that they brought back some Awakening characters instead of making entirely new ones. lol

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

In a world where you can be killed for dissenting against the government, don't feel too shocked if people find this to be a super lame situation to cry censorship.

so what? it is as dumb as saying "first world problems" on a gaming board.

I live in a shit country with the highest inflation on earth, and some of the highest kill count cities in the world and yet you don't see me coming with that stupid ass argument.

 

[Azuran]

I remember when FE was all about armies and kingdoms and stuff like that

That was pretty cool

Yeah 2012 feels so far away. I can't believe it's been such a long time since the series was pretty cool.

 

[captainpat]

As it should until people start using the right words.

It is hard for me to take any argument seriously when it uses a term as loaded and hyperbolic as censorship when talking about localization.

I recognize this isn't a winning battle, but it's a hill I'll die on.

Then they shouldn't take your argument seriously as well if that's what you're going to get hung up on.

 

[L95]

You can try. You'll still be wrong though.

I like Fae. Silly chickendragon. (though, to be honest, she should be nowhere near a battlefield)

 

[Zaventem]

I like Fae. Silly chickendragon. (though, to be honest, she should be nowhere near a battlefield)

HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE!

 

[Qblivion]

Anyone against petting has clearly never pet/been pet.

It is dumb that they removed it, but it wont stop from enjoying the game.