ZombiePlatypus
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Edit. Nevermind.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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Edit. Nevermind.
I edited my post, the mobile site had the other definitions under a thing I had to click.
DICKS AHOY
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thank god i don't live in america
Oni Link 666
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WHAT?! This is an outrage! Face stroking has been part of Fire Emblem canon since Sacred Stones!
I'm not going to play this game. :^)
SenorArdilla
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Reminder that the petting is unisex.
cutting gay content ftw *rainbow av*
The big difference is Nintendo was being raked over the coals as those standards were being imposed on third parties. That hasn't been the case since the last couple years of the SNES era, when they abolished those practices and haven't reverted back. That's a big difference from what's going on here.
For what it's worth I'm not straight, can't stand the gay romance options, and I'm glad this was removed.
cm osi
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do you have that line on your copy/paste or do you type that everytime?
nintendoman58
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I know. It almost makes me want to quote it again.
Like, the fact that it gets drowned out by stuff like this is terrible.
Coffee Dog
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oh, so you chimed in to tell people to eat shit for a game you don't even have a remote stake in. seems reasonable. :^)
orthodoxy1095
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It doesn't have to be. Self-censorship and corporate censorship are both very real things. They just don't have the necessarily negative connotation that government censorship does.
Palculator
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It doesn't and this whole censorship-semantics-tit-wank is only brought up by people in support of it who want to get away from a nasty term.
phoenix3934
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Nintendo being Nintendo again. Well guess I'll have to wait for the fan translation now.
You don't have to take a principled stand to decide that something you liked in a game being removed is upsetting. There's very much a sense of paranoia that people are afraid to defend this as something they themselves want because of a really jarring impression (or flat out statement by many people) that if you like this kind of thing in a game you're some kind of pervy creepy weirdo. That's partly why it seems to me that so many people flock to the censorship defense. Maybe we should stop being jerks to other people and we could probably get more honest discourse.
I don't believe that censorship is only censorship when it's done by the government. In all honesty the minigame looked pretty creepy to mean, but I am against them removing content on principal.
It doesn't make a difference what the content is, censorship is censorship.
I'm not saying it would, I'm bringing it up as a hypothetical.
LouisaFerre
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Honestly, to say a little more on the matter, I was actually somewhat irritated by the increased focus on this kind of stuff when this game was revealed. I don't really like otaku pandering, not because I think the content itself is harmful or wrong, but rather because I feel like prioritizing that often comes with the effect of downgrading the quality of the writing or other things, and I kind of felt a bit bitter towards Atlus for going in that direction with Persona. I just don't really like pandering in general, but that's whatever.
However, I still don't like the removal of this. At worst, I would see the creation of the minigame as essentially squandering resources. A waste. But the thing is, the game has already been made. Those resources that were put into the petting minigame aren't going somewhere better. At this point, outright removing things from the game is only good to me if they were actually dragging the player experience down to the point where you need to remove them to make the game more fun .
Unless this was just some tedious shit the player had to do, they aren't fixing any kind of mistake, all they're doing is trying to just make it so that I can't use or enjoy whatever resulted from that. And yes, I understand why it's beneficial for Nintendo as a publisher to do this, but I don't really have any obligation to defend their interests that much.
However, I still don't like the removal of this. At worst, I would see the creation of the minigame as essentially squandering resources. A waste. But the thing is, the game has already been made. Those resources that were put into the petting minigame aren't going somewhere better. At this point, outright removing things from the game is only good to me if they were actually dragging the player experience down to the point where you need to remove them to make the game more fun .
Unless this was just some tedious shit the player had to do, they aren't fixing any kind of mistake, all they're doing is trying to just make it so that I can't use or enjoy whatever resulted from that. And yes, I understand why it's beneficial for Nintendo as a publisher to do this, but I don't really have any obligation to defend their interests that much.
Since this thread is a fan of correct word usage, what does this have to do with those who curse their non Japanese heritage?
Coffee Dog
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i just find its continued presence in the game relevant to the conversation.
foxuzamaki
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Cause anime is bad or something
Comfort Jones
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It's easier to avoid looking like the kind of person the original content panders to if you use black and white blanket terms to frame your argument.
I mean I could almost get the frustration if that stuff wasn't there 100% to pander to weirdos from a business perspective and not really part of stuff grand artistic vision for the game.
Serious question have the creators ever gone on record about any of this stuff? Do they even care?
At least they aren't as many people defending gay conversion as there was the other day. : /
There are plenty of anime tropes that might be hard or awkward to explain to someone unfamiliar to that realm. Cutting content that you disagree with is pretty much the definition of censorship. People who are against censorship also wouldn't agree that content should be changed once it's made its way into an official release. The argument is pretty black and white for those against censorship: give us the game as was intended, not a version edited to avoid offending people. As I said above, the should just give us the option to opt in to this content via an additional download. Everyone's happy.
orthodoxy1095
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Anime as an art form isn't generalizably bad.
Good anime is good. Creepy stupid shit is creepy stupid shit.
I think some might consider this a spoiler.
There are no 1000 year old dragon girls in Fates. I was actually surprised the character type didn't come back, myself.
Scientist Supreme!
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Totally fine. I just wish people could look at it from that perspective and say "maybe I won't enjoy but it could be for other people."
Like I said I'm not broken up by this but now it's a little disappointing.
WrenchNinja
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But it's not relevent though. That archetype isn't in Fates.
deadeyekiwi
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This wrongly used because the formal definition of censorship is when content or speech is suppressed by a government, or interest group.
This is self censorship(a completely separate phenomenon from a legal stand point) which means that the Owners/Creators/Publishers removed there own content on their own accord because they felt it didn't belong. Would you call the content cut for the theatrical release of a movie so that it isnt 5 hours censorship or editing, it's basically that.
I see that a lot of people are happy with the exclusion of that feature cause they only think about creepy pedos who want to touch teen girls, but what about gay players who where happy to have that feature? Should they "eat shit" too?
See :
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Heads up because some strangely weird stuff is getting reported:
1.) Nothing of value is actually contained in this minigame outside of a few reaffirming lines, that are of about as much value as "Barracks" were in FE:A, the vast majority of the dialogue inside is otherwise completely meaningless.
2.) This feature was not well received in Japan. Don't expect it to come back in future iterations unless its vastly changed regardless of what NoA does here with it.
3.) No actual game-affecting and exclusive content is cut assuming that they removed everything and not just the rubbing minigame. You can strip the minigame out and effectively just have a Barracks equivalent left over.
Also we really need to stop with the Treehouse meme about memes because its dumb. They are some of the best in the business in their translation work.
1.) Nothing of value is actually contained in this minigame outside of a few reaffirming lines, that are of about as much value as "Barracks" were in FE:A, the vast majority of the dialogue inside is otherwise completely meaningless.
2.) This feature was not well received in Japan. Don't expect it to come back in future iterations unless its vastly changed regardless of what NoA does here with it.
3.) No actual game-affecting and exclusive content is cut assuming that they removed everything and not just the rubbing minigame. You can strip the minigame out and effectively just have a Barracks equivalent left over.
Also we really need to stop with the Treehouse meme about memes because its dumb. They are some of the best in the business in their translation work.
MHWilliams
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It is still self-censorship, but the problem is this is something that happens to many, many games, TV shows, film, or whatever that are made for a profit motive. Commercial art will generally find the creator or stakeholder cutting and tweaking content for its intended audience. It can run the gamut of simple edits or entire chunks of content being cut.
Here's a deeper look into conversation that surrounds self-censorship vs. editing:
That's in relation to journalism, but some of the thoughts can easily be applied to artistic creations. Where you fall on that conversation is usually dependent on how you feel about the content being cut.
Here's more, with Giant Bomb's Austin Walker on how we use the word "censorship" and why.
That said, you can certainly decide not to partake in anything where self-censorship - defined a something a publisher or developer removes for whatever reason - is a factor, but that means you're not going to be playing many games.
Coffee Dog
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Nope. Not a single one. I was also surprised. Unless we count
the main character, of course.
Snkfanatic
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Pathetic post
captainpat
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Not that weird compared to all the stuff you'd see in something like say Game of Thrones.
DICKS AHOY
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It's not like the gay conversion was a 'feature' of Fates; just a bizarre and largely pointless conversation that obviously would've caused some drama if it'd stayed exactly the same in the Western release.
By comparison I think this petting thing would've been fine if it stayed in. It's weird and stupid and probably indicative of the new 'waifu'/'husbando' direction the series is going in, but there's nothing inherently drama-causing about it like there was with the former sour point.
I sort of have to find myself agreeing with people where if this was something like the gay characters/relationships being scrubbed out for the western release you wouldn't have as many people here playing dictionary with whether this classifies as 'censorship' or not.
Comfort Jones
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Pretty much addressed most of this in my edit. I don't think "everyone's happy" either way to be honest. Also people are not playing the fan edit just to make some statement about censorship from a devil's advocate position here let's be real.
I would say it is indeed a form of censorship but the reasons why people are mad or happy about it aren't so black and white. Normally I'm completely against censorship but to me the face rubbing nonsense was basically a business decision to pander to people to begin with.
There aren't any scenes in GoT framed like what people are complaining about in this game. I have no idea how to even interpret your point here.
Well said.
Steve Youngblood
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If I was on the localization team for Awakenings, I would have edited (or "censored" if you prefer) the shit out of Nowi.
this is the quintessential gaf post
Perfect for GAF then.
WrenchNinja
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You could always ask john tv about it, since 8-4 did the localisation
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