Yup, there's a big disconnect here. Tons of people don't seem to perceive games as commercial software that would not exist if it wasn't profitable.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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Steve Youngblood
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Eh, I don't really agree. It's not like you have to go into the "Additional Content" on Cartridge two and navigate to the bonus content. It's there. It's part of the game along with all the other support systems. Further, I'm getting conflicting information on whether or not any character development is contained therein.
bagandscalpel
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I'd agree with this except that the "final version" of it is already in the wild. And I'm fairly certain that there won't be another revision to the JP version just to coincide with the "improved" NA one.
NeonZ
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Every other character aside from the avatar needed to raise it through battle anyway, since they could never skinship each other. The game's design was never centered on skinship being necessary in order to gain support points.
They were just random quotes, but some of them referenced supports or even story developments in certain routes, so some people count that as "development" They were never actual conversations though, so no actual character development was there.
Radiant Dawn didn't lose difficulty, they just renamed the three modes to match Path of Radiance's localized ones, so "Maniac" became "Hard", but, unlike in PoR, there was no change of balance, so it was still the same as the Japanese version (aside from several general gameplay tweaks that Radiant Dawn received).
There is character development, but it's rather minor and you have to dig to find it.
Allan Holdsworth
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Now de-anime it completely and I'm in. This is rather minor compared to what Awekening did to the series.
Crash Station
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We have no way of knowing if it would have sold more or less had the mini-game been kept in. Considering people tolerating Nowi and other "objectionable" content in Awakening, I'm gonna say it wouldn't have made a difference either way.
Comfort Jones
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I get your point here but I don't really completely agree. If a publisher absolutely demanded From Software include an easy mode or something like that, they are going against what the team and especially Hidetaka Miyazaki are trying to accomplish. Same deal with something like Bayonetta, the game's artistic vision clearly includes sexual elements, they are a core part of what you see when you're playing it. Games and movies clearly can have strong artistic visions at the core of their design.
Face rubbing anime characters in an otherwise fairly normal strat rpg feels like a decision to pander towards people more into the idea of having an in game waifu rather than targeting someone interested in the core game itself.
pinkurocket
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The minigame honestly seems like a harmless thing, it's only made creepy by the intentions people associate with it. The series being named 'waifu simulator' doesn't help. It's a bit more of a stretch than the Xenoblade X censorship, which I totally understand, but I still get why they did it. Was it really necessary? I'm not sure.
Pancake Mix
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Fire Emblem is not for kids.
But at the same time, NOA dropped what was a Cero C (15+ and requires a black case on Nintendo platforms), down to a T (13+) in a territory with a rating system that is far harsher on sexuality.
I figured they would remove stuff, it was predictable. Shame about the loss of Live2D assets, stat increases (that will have to be redistributed, and probably poorly), and character development.
I can't see myself using it, but it was heavy handed. Not sure if removing this was necessary....
But at the same time, NOA dropped what was a Cero C (15+ and requires a black case on Nintendo platforms), down to a T (13+) in a territory with a rating system that is far harsher on sexuality.
I figured they would remove stuff, it was predictable. Shame about the loss of Live2D assets, stat increases (that will have to be redistributed, and probably poorly), and character development.
I can't see myself using it, but it was heavy handed. Not sure if removing this was necessary....
There's a reason Fire Emblem can also be called Incest Emblem.
I'm against censorship on principal, but you need to know when to pick your battles too. In this case it's from pressure from most of us thinking this was dumb and from that gif would probably survive the ESRB AND seems equal opportunity to boot.
Personally, uhh, I'd probably kinda prefer if they just never put the dumb thing in.
tiggerkiddo
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This minigame always seemed a tad on the odd side to me but I understand why they removed it. Wouldn't matter to me, if I ever played it, I'd just ignore it anyways. Did the same with Pokemon Amie.
DecoReturns
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Yeah Radiant's Dawn is rather confusing situation, i didnt quite remember, but I know some script was cut. actually now that I think about it, I don't think the cut material was actually all that important
I mean, it's always been anime. It's just a different subset of anime now.
truestatic
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flatearthpandas
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Lol, the petting thing was definitely weird. But never excited for content being removed in localization. The trend of people being so excited on here when controversial content is removed is frankly more disturbing to me than any of the content itself. But whatever.
Done through the internet.
I'm an optimist and I look at the positive side of things?
Coffee Dog
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Personal attacks aren't a good look.
Good Lord, avatar shaming to the next level.
NeonZ
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You can do them online. No need for actual Streetpass this time.
I overlooked the issue of the dialogue. But, yes, the original version had an extended script for the Hard and Maniac modes, while the localized version only uses the Normal script for all difficulties.
In Awakening, they also cut the mute voice option that changed a lot of the game's dialogue, alongside the two variations of formality for the avatar's voice.
Crash Station
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EndlessSky
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Fire emblem has always been "anime". A lit of people like to pretend it hasn't, but almost every fire emblem game has anime tropes, including the FE7, games before FE7, and the games after FE7. that's why I'm not really bothered by these things. Its always been there.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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So why do people actually care besides (misuse of) the "but censorship is bad!" stance?
Apparently that was a mistranslation
Kind of incredible really, something that FE8 twins are basically known for ended up being a mistranslation. Hah. Haha.
You are aware that Treehouse still supervises their localization efforts, right? If they gave them a directive to follow for localization, they would have to follow it.
EDIT: Oh! Edited... lol
Weren't people getting mad at them for the boob slider and Lyn bikini thing?
YianGaruga
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Yeah lets shame those people with avatars you don't like
Hell yeah
that's the adult way to have a conversation
EDIT nice a quick ban for avatar shaming. faith restored
We're on GAF but the censorship discussion only does seem to pop-up when it is about waifus and little else. And it's always the super pandery stuff. There's a lot of gray names in the Linlee thread and how the more sexualized outfits are edited to cover more for her. Cries of censorship, saying Nintendo has no respect for their audience or for gamers and so on. Boycotting the game on some principal that they should have the option to sexualize a young girl and so on.
Thing is, I'm against censorship but you pick your battles which many don't seem to understand. Not only that, censorship is more nuanced than simple black and white, for or against which makes any discussion that much harder to even get across.
Crash Station
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Guess I'll just bookmark this and watch it after I actually have the game and start S classing people.
*Sigh*
There's been incest long before Sacred Stones. just not Twincest... Maybe.
good choice.
DecoReturns
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This is disrespectful
See, even Eirika says "no face touching".
That's because this is the only type of stuff that actually gets changed.
If peeps won against GTA or MK and took out the blood and violence...people would be livid and just as upset.
its all cool until something that does appeal to you gets cut because of public outcry.
Not on the same level, but what if they took out insane mode because it was too hard for our western tastes? People would be butthurt over that too. Again not on the same level since this feature is small and honestly extra at the end of the day but on the same token, you could in theory still enjoy the game without the extra difficulty,no? (and yes I know this has happened before with this series...it sucked then too)
Basically I wonder if all those gloating or happy about this change (and more power too them btw. Not saying you can't be happy) would be as understanding if something that they cared about got pulled from a game. I think not.
at the end of the day, some folks lose out on this change and the "winners" could have just ignored it. There was a better compromise where both sides could get and play the game they wanted than outright stripping it (although not wanting to pay for all that voice acting IMO is a good enough reason for me) and now the only alternative for the "losers" here is to import the game and console and learn Japanese...that seems like a masisve step up from "ignore the optional content".
But alas...the people have seemingly made their voices heard and this is the result.
Coffee Dog
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1. You could read the thread, champ. :^)
2. I don't think its inclusion harms the game any more than any of the other dumb anime shit in the game. Now I get a game with less modes for full price, so I can't use the already optional feature even if I wanted to.
Scientist Supreme!
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For me:
So strange. He/she should be honest with their feelings.
Crash Station
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I actually was not aware of that. Perhaps it slipped through or they just have a threshold for this stuff, or maybe it's just the current climate. Who knows.
Either way, I hope #FE gets an M rating so we don't have to worry about this kind of thing.
Zomba13
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I don't understand this. I mean, yeah, the minigame sees stupid/silly but not really creepy or gross or exploitative. It also doesn't seem to actually add anything, I mean yeah, it'd get your affinity up or whatever (right?) but isn't needed. To me it just seems like the Pokémon thing where you rub them. I mean, I guess it's a bit more weird to rub people than "animals" but still, both are pretty stupid things for games. And it's not like that vita game where you rub scantily clad under-age looking girls using both touchscreens.
Like, by all means be unsettled by the creepy drugging bits and "curing" bi/homosexuality and be happy that that stuff is getting changed to be less shitty and offensive but with this, I just don't understand the need for it to go or why it's something that is creepy and horrible and gross. I mean, I also don't understand why it's there in the first place but that doesn't mean I'm happy that this weird, super Japanesey thing is removed.
I have 0 hope that #FE will come to the west at all.
Like, by all means be unsettled by the creepy drugging bits and "curing" bi/homosexuality and be happy that that stuff is getting changed to be less shitty and offensive but with this, I just don't understand the need for it to go or why it's something that is creepy and horrible and gross. I mean, I also don't understand why it's there in the first place but that doesn't mean I'm happy that this weird, super Japanesey thing is removed.
I have 0 hope that #FE will come to the west at all.
There was a pretty big outcry when TLoU was censored in Europe. Western games aren't usually censored for violence as much, though, so that's why you don't see as much discussion about it.
Isn't it weirder to be so invested in a product one hasn't played that they mistake a sound business decision for an infringement on their rights or a personal injustice?
let's not have a repeat of the creepiest avatar on GAF thread. it's stupid and not at all conducive to discussion to have people hurling insults at each other.
YianGaruga
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It's not, but it's really the only thing that is changed for the majority of the western market.
Go on German forums and look how they react to the removal of violence and swastikas or outright banning of games.
And you'll get the same "pro-censorship" responses there as well, as it's very ingrained in German culture that gratuitous violence in videogames is bad for youth and society overall. It's changing but it was a huge topic of discussion years ago. Just like people here are arguning "this is for kids" as if the face rubbing minigame was in any way harmful.
This situation is very similar to the removal of the Mercenaries mode in RE4 actually.
Looked like a cute / silly thing, probably good for some laughs, "daww", or awkward "oh god" moments. Now it's gone and I won't get to try it. Not a big deal that it's gone because it doesn't sound like it's a huge part of the game, but a shame nonetheless.
AcademicSaucer
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Is a better product now, think of the thousands of children that buy this games.
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