Street Fighter V Beta IV Thread: Jan 30-31
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Cindi Mayweather
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Okay, it seems the dive move is just ex bull revenger.
Bull Revenger. Bait it out and neutral jump for a full punish.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Nash is really fun to play and I seem to be winning most matches so far, but I'm not really sure if I'm using him right. It seems like his whole game play is about constantly pressing buttons since a lot of his normals seem pretty safe? Just throwing out LP -> MP and cr. MP on loop seem to do wonders, and a mixture of in your face pressure and playing really lame with booms.
Can any Nash players help me out?
Can any Nash players help me out?
pineapplepizza
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Neutral jump it into full punish. You have to know it's coming, can't really react online consistently to avoid it since it's quick
Mr Fahrenheit
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Didn't think I was going to wake up and learn Vega this morning. He's a lot of fun, I was probably getting away with a lot of stuff because people don't know him yet so I'll have to see how it progresses. Gotta throw in the towel for now though, I took a break and started up again against my better judgement and couldn't get my head in the game. Tomorrow I'll probably spend all my points learning Karin or Bison (maybe Mika).
Cindi Mayweather
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Don't do HP on their wake up. Definitely don't do HP->HP. Can't really confirm it, and it's super negative on block. Instead, use MP. You can harass with MP. It will combo if you counter hit, so always do it twice, no more.This works well against people who like to push buttons (Dhalsims.) Harass with MP, do air throws if they try to jump.
Here's a vid of one of my matches. Not sim, but you get the idea. This tactic has worked on most Sims I've played. Probably won't work on higher ranked Sims, but you should be able to get good mileage out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YmEGVwVGSM
Crab Milk Mickey
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You block in the opposite direction of Dhalsim's. Not as difficult to block as it seems, and an on-reaction jab can be enough to stop the mix-up.
Airborne Yoga Flame pressure is the thing to look out for with how ridiculously + on block it is, never mind it causing Shoryukens to whiff (at IAT height) on wake-up according to UltraDavid.
Pure_Phazon
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Yeesh, I just got blown up by Gief's running grab. Dude did it to me like 4 or 5 times and they all got me lol.
lucebuce12
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Try neutral jumping. Takes some practice but it usually allows for some big damage, depending on the character.
I think these running shenanigans are only going to last for a few months then people will start to wise up and learn how to deal with it.
Finally made it to 1500 LP. I'll stop playing after I lose
I don't know how people keep getting hit with that. But then again, I always fall for Birdie's grab.
I don't know how people keep getting hit with that. But then again, I always fall for Birdie's grab.
For shenanigans like these I suppose:
I aint gonna lie that's a pretty combo. expensive. but pretty.
pineapplepizza
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Nah, the rollback is broken for both on systems. Both players do not see the same game, there was a good video demonstrating this a while back (I'll have to find it). One person could be having a seamless experience while the other is getting stuttering/rollback. The netcode is flawed atm
Pure_Phazon
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Yeah, he was mostly using it after lk and I was too hesitant. I've already gotten used to neutral jumping Birdie's dive, though it still catches it from time to time of course. Just need to play more Gief's.
At least there's no 12 hour maint every day, right? That's surely a good thing. Probably.
FadedRevolution
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QCF HP
I think it's a given that online will be fucked for months. Now will it be as fucked as MKX's netcode is the question....
can do cr. lp, s lk xx lp elbow fast enough to keep them grounded and hit confirm the elbow
Or this
lucebuce12
Member
I'd suggest using EX Head stomp instead of EX Scissor kick at the end. It does more damage (slightly).
CountBlack
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Uploaded two matches against a Bison
It's going to take me some time to get used to Bison teleporting through normals and throwing me.. I have thought up an answer to it though. Just takes a bit of commitment.
It's going to take me some time to get used to Bison teleporting through normals and throwing me.. I have thought up an answer to it though. Just takes a bit of commitment.
It plays better as is than a lot of games that are already out
Still hope they fix it though.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
RIP.
Filth
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that last combo that killed bison is so nasty.
Okay, I think when this game is almost out and someone makes the official thread we should paste not just a link to gooteks book but a very short list of things to keep in mind when playing street fighter (and all fighters really).
Case in point here folks - I had 3 matches in a row with some very new players that I hopefully didn't discourage too much. I'm not really that great at this game (go ahead and find the post I made a few days ago about the end of SF4 to see my mostly scrubby lifetime of fighting game play)but I do at least know a couple of things that new players should take note of -
BLOCK Honestly, learn to hold back on the stick/dpad/whatever. The tutorial in the game does cover this but you really have to let it sink in. Blocking in street fighter to me is one of the most important things, you can't let your opponent get free damage. It's a lesson that took me months to really learn because another thing you have to realize as stupid as it sounds to type it out now - you can't block and also attack. So while just holding back on the stick will put you in block mode , hitting any button at all will end the block and leave you open to a counter hit ... you don't want this because it does extra damage. This isn't even about advanced techniques or learning when to block high or low - this is just a simple exercise - just at least learn to block without hitting buttons.
TECH THROWS A bit harder than blocking but also very important to know. See, if you get blocking down , an opponent with just a bit more experience will attempt to throw you because throws get through blocks. A blocking player should always be aware of this situation though and if someone walks towards them without using a poke (that is , an attack that hits from the furthest possible distance to keep you safer from counter attacks) be prepared to throw them too. No one should ever be able to just walk up and throw an opponent in street fighter. Yet, tonight I did this about 6 times in a row against someone who I imagine is incredibly salty right now and wondering why they can't win. Learn to tech.
Seriously , if you can block attacks and tech throws THEN you can go read gooteks book and practice Ryu to understand all the other fundamentals of SF but learn those 2 things first. It's not to say that button mashing and overly spastic play don't sometimes yield wins but that only keeps you engaged against similar minded opponents. Online you will end up losing ... a lot. The salt will flow , you will be unhappy. It happens to everyone starting out. Just get over your own ego and learn the basics , get better. It took me over a year of practice to go from bottom of the trash can scrub to top decking office toilet scrub , time needs to be invested.
Or, don't and someone with little skill (like me) will just take your points and then lose them to other , better players in a couple weeks.
Case in point here folks - I had 3 matches in a row with some very new players that I hopefully didn't discourage too much. I'm not really that great at this game (go ahead and find the post I made a few days ago about the end of SF4 to see my mostly scrubby lifetime of fighting game play)but I do at least know a couple of things that new players should take note of -
BLOCK Honestly, learn to hold back on the stick/dpad/whatever. The tutorial in the game does cover this but you really have to let it sink in. Blocking in street fighter to me is one of the most important things, you can't let your opponent get free damage. It's a lesson that took me months to really learn because another thing you have to realize as stupid as it sounds to type it out now - you can't block and also attack. So while just holding back on the stick will put you in block mode , hitting any button at all will end the block and leave you open to a counter hit ... you don't want this because it does extra damage. This isn't even about advanced techniques or learning when to block high or low - this is just a simple exercise - just at least learn to block without hitting buttons.
TECH THROWS A bit harder than blocking but also very important to know. See, if you get blocking down , an opponent with just a bit more experience will attempt to throw you because throws get through blocks. A blocking player should always be aware of this situation though and if someone walks towards them without using a poke (that is , an attack that hits from the furthest possible distance to keep you safer from counter attacks) be prepared to throw them too. No one should ever be able to just walk up and throw an opponent in street fighter. Yet, tonight I did this about 6 times in a row against someone who I imagine is incredibly salty right now and wondering why they can't win. Learn to tech.
Seriously , if you can block attacks and tech throws THEN you can go read gooteks book and practice Ryu to understand all the other fundamentals of SF but learn those 2 things first. It's not to say that button mashing and overly spastic play don't sometimes yield wins but that only keeps you engaged against similar minded opponents. Online you will end up losing ... a lot. The salt will flow , you will be unhappy. It happens to everyone starting out. Just get over your own ego and learn the basics , get better. It took me over a year of practice to go from bottom of the trash can scrub to top decking office toilet scrub , time needs to be invested.
Or, don't and someone with little skill (like me) will just take your points and then lose them to other , better players in a couple weeks.
lucebuce12
Member
Freakin Laura man.
Shadow_Lord
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Most of my wins are attributed to Rashid's super. That thing is a godly anti air.
That was ruthless.
Giving to him, vskill in to j FP in to big damage. Poor dude
"God's Beard!"
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I think Nash is good enough without a great reversal.Why the hell does EX Sonic Scythe not have any invincibility?
Camp1nCarl
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Oh yeah absolutely. Usually the more experienced players would catch on quickly and would give me a hard time, but that predictability and ease-of-use definitely netted me a few victories. Considering this is my first fighting game (barring Smash) I'm just trying to get a feel for things before I can actually invest time learning everything with the full game.
Yeah I only was using the slide because few players initially caught on to guarding low upon wake-up. Usually either used that or a throw, but once players caught on I was in trouble. Not to sound overly noobish, but what does HP/MP/CL mean? I'm assuming they are the combos/moves, but I don't know their exact meanings. Also, really sick Vega dude. Need to work on my air/juggling game like you have down, and obviously my predictability.
Thanks for the tips guys! And keep up the videos GAF, I enjoy watching to get ideas.
The EX one is pretty legit atleast. But yeah I have scumbagged more than a few wins doing f.MK into the grab, lol. People jump backwards into it constantly.
Shadow_Lord
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Finally made it to the 2K club. All with Rashid.
Oh okay. I never really try to v-skill against chun at all because of how fast she unless it's after the punch command grab. He got what he deserved.
pineapplepizza
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I'm going to upload more videos but here is a quick example of micro-stuttering and micro-rollback. It gives me a headache to watch/play.
Also note the long ass loading times, that doesnt include 20 seconds load prior to when 'Another fight is coming your way'.
Compare it to Shackzam's video, although his is PS4 and in 720p (worse graphics) the gameplay is smoother and animations are fluid.
(Ignore my gameplay as I'm messing and jumping around. Before this match I just lost 600pp by recording rollback vids and testing stuff. I just want you to focus on the animations, when things connect, the rollback/stutter. Also the background animations, you can tell its not part of their slower 30fps animation but it's glitching/stuttering out. I could be wrong.)
So this is an example of a match that's the 'best scenario' for me, this is filtered to Network Connection of 5 only. 90% of my matches are worse than this, and not that anyone needs to see for proof but I'll still upload more to demonstrate. I just don't understand and don't think I can play this game online.
Also note the long ass loading times, that doesnt include 20 seconds load prior to when 'Another fight is coming your way'.
Compare it to Shackzam's video, although his is PS4 and in 720p (worse graphics) the gameplay is smoother and animations are fluid.
(Ignore my gameplay as I'm messing and jumping around. Before this match I just lost 600pp by recording rollback vids and testing stuff. I just want you to focus on the animations, when things connect, the rollback/stutter. Also the background animations, you can tell its not part of their slower 30fps animation but it's glitching/stuttering out. I could be wrong.)
So this is an example of a match that's the 'best scenario' for me, this is filtered to Network Connection of 5 only. 90% of my matches are worse than this, and not that anyone needs to see for proof but I'll still upload more to demonstrate. I just don't understand and don't think I can play this game online.
Yeah, I don't get it either especially when I do it from near full screen and people just sit there.
That said, I think the move is still legit since it's fast, but you'll stop getting as much mileage out of it with time
HP = High Punch.
LP MP HP = Low, Medium, High Punch
LK MK HK = Low, Medium, High Kick
HP->HP means, hitting HP twice in succession.
If you do use HP, only do it once. It's safe if they block it. Just do HP, then hold down back to block in case you don't get the hit. But if you do it twice, you will be punished. I'd stick to MP though.