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Try not to worry about what other people think of you. It's been a big issue for me, and as I've tried to not let it bother me as much, things have gotten better.

I also confronted my aunt about the issue, politely, and now feel a lot better about it.

I hope that will help.

Question:

How do you guys deal with the worry about action/reaction that comes with OCD? Like, for example, if you do something bad, someone you love might get hurt.

I get this with porn. I feel bad if I do it, and apologize before watching it, and if I don't I feel like my mom is going to die or my cats are going to get hit by a car. And I see the images. I know it's silly.
 
Is it worth going to a counselor if it takes forever to get an appointment with a psychologist? If they're just going to refer me to a psychologist anyway I don't want to be wasting my time.
 
Try not to worry about what other people think of you. It's been a big issue for me, and as I've tried to not let it bother me as much, things have gotten better.

I also confronted my aunt about the issue, politely, and now feel a lot better about it.

I hope that will help.

Question:

How do you guys deal with the worry about action/reaction that comes with OCD? Like, for example, if you do something bad, someone you love might get hurt.

I get this with porn. I feel bad if I do it, and apologize before watching it, and if I don't I feel like my mom is going to die or my cats are going to get hit by a car. And I see the images. I know it's silly.
Seems like you equate porn as being a bad thing. It's not. It's perfectly natural to watch porn. Nothing whatsoever to feel guilty about. Try to think of it logically. How would watching porn lead to your cats or your mom being hurt? It won't. It's simply not possible. Don't even apologize you have nothing to be sorry for.
 
Seems like you equate porn as being a bad thing. It's not. It's perfectly natural to watch porn. Nothing whatsoever to feel guilty about. Try to think of it logically. How would watching porn lead to your cats or your mom being hurt? It won't. It's simply not possible. Don't even apologize you have nothing to be sorry for.

See, I know that, but the OCD keeps turning it into an issue. It's gotten better over time, but I'm still not over it.

I guess because it's considered a sin and I'm scared of going to Hell.
 
I'm guessing you grew up Christian? They tend to drill stuff like that into your head. I grew up Jehova's witness. In the grand scheme of things porn is as tame as "sin" gets unless your watching some really heinous shit. Doubt God, if he exists, gives a shit about some dude watching porn. He's got a bunch of other stuff on his plate. Unless you killed a man or something like that I wouldn't consider you much of a sinner. In fact reading some of your posts you seem like a good guy who cares for others. Now, a guy like Bagels that dude wallows in sin. ; )
 
I'm guessing you grew up Christian? They tend to drill stuff like that into your head. I grew up Jehova's witness. In the grand scheme of things porn is as tame as "sin" gets unless your watching some really heinous shit. Doubt God, if he exists, gives a shit about some dude watching porn. He's got a bunch of other stuff on his plate. Unless you killed a man or something like that I wouldn't consider you much of a sinner. In fact reading some of your posts you seem like a good guy who cares for others.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words and thoughtful reply. I also think you're right.

I didn't necessarily grow up religious. It was never hammered into me by my parents, but the belief was there. We didn't talk about it much, but are Protestant.

We would've maybe gone to church, but couldn't go to the local one because of accessibility issues. It's too hard to go now (due to similar problems).

If I met someone and they wanted me to go to church, I would never say no. I often worry about my soul, but a lot of that is also OCD, because it makes you feel like a bad person/feel like you're doomed to Hell.
 
Now, a guy like Bagels that dude wallows in sin. ; )

Wow. What about "thou shalt keep that on the down low"? That's the fifth commandment.

Probably.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words and thoughtful reply. I also think you're right.

I didn't necessarily grow up religious. It was never hammered into me by my parents, but the belief was there. We didn't talk about it much, but are Protestant.

We would've maybe gone to church, but couldn't go to the local one because of accessibility issues. It's too hard to go now (due to similar problems).

If I met someone and they wanted me to go to church, I would never say no. I often worry about my soul, but a lot of that is also OCD, because it makes you feel like a bad person/feel like you're doomed to Hell.

I know that the feelings are illogical and you cannot control them. That's really where therapy might come in, or medication. I just woke up and it's the middle of the night or else I'd do a better job reading back over past posts. Sorry for this incomplete response.

Certainly forgiveness is a central dogma in Christianity. No sin is so bad that you are doomed to hell. I don't know if it would help to talk to a pastor and just get some reassurance from a figure like that. You could explain in general terms how you feel and how your OCD makes things bother you to an unreasonable degree. If there is a religious figure you like and trust, there may be some comfort in a more official answer that you and God are cool. More official than Father Bagels' Nighttime Ministry, anyway.
 
I have a great deal of experience on Prozac. It has helped my mood, for the most part. The most severe side effects I've noticed are in the sexual realm. Extreme difficulty reaching orgasm, in particular. Which don't get me wrong, sucks ass. I've gone off it several times just because of that side effect. And usually regretted it. The drug is very cheap these days because it's available in generic form. I think somewhere around $10 for a month's supply (but don't quote me on that). It depends on the dose you're taking (I took 20 mg, others take 40 mg).

Thanks for the info! Those performance side effects don't concern me too much since I've kinda been satisfied with a long dry spell. It may continue that way.
 
Thanks for the info! Those performance side effects don't concern me too much since I've kinda been satisfied with a long dry spell. It may continue that way.

And there are ways they can counteract those particular side effects too (my doctor has me take low-dose Wellbutrin, which helps to a certain extent). Best of luck to you, dude.
 
I actually haven't seen my therapist in a while. I usually only schedule appointments to see him on an as needed basis. Up until now, it hasn't been necessary. But I did just see my new psychiatrist who just prescribed me a new medication that's an anti-depressant that's specifically for OCD, clomipramine. I don't start it until tomorrow, and I know it'll probably take some time before it starts to work, but I really, really hope it makes things better. The picking is getting progressively worse.

I've spoken to my therapist before about my OCD, but at the time, it wasn't a big deal. I didn't do it very often, and even when I did, I hardly inflicted pain and caused myself to bleed. So I wasn't really given specific advice as to what to do when in the moment, and feeling the urge to pick.

Well, for what it's worth, I'm generally of the belief that it's best to see a therapist regularly, at least for a while, even when things are going relatively well. By sticking with it during ups and downs we can build a more robust understanding of what's going on rather than having to always focus on crisis situations.

Either way, I think reaching out to your therapist is a good idea since CBT (therapy) is one of the most effective treatments for OCD.

I've got the very basic public health insurance, because my company is too focused on profit to offer employees a real health insurance package. I don't think it gets covered, but if it did then it might only be in my prefecture, whereas I'll have to pop up to Tokyo for each session so it was in English.

I think it's worth checking into exactly what's covered, micster, as a first step. Once that's cleared up it'll be a bit clearer what second step to take.

So I saw a psychologist (with a doctorate) a while ago with the intent of taking a comprehensive test to figure out just what's wrong with me. But she decided the test wouldn't help, but that I definitely do have severe anxiety but not depression (guess that's what happens when you don't want to bring up your suicidal ideation, especially since my nosy parents were there too). She also said my psychiatrist should be trying me on a lot more different meds, because so far he's given me xanax, zoloft, wellbutrin, and beta blockers, and the psychologist seems to think none of them are working (I've been seeing this psychiatrist for like three years now, for reference). I admit it's hard to tell if they're doing anything - the xanax or zoloft might be helping a tiny bit, and I haven't noticed any change since I started taking the wellbutrin. But they're definitely not working in any real noticeable way because my life still sucks and I feel shitty and anxious all the time.

I'm sorry things are so tough, Steamlord. Is there an option for continuing to see the psychologist regularly and receiving therapy?

Feeling super crappy and unmotivated tonight. Which I guess is ok. I can deal with this. It's when I go into crazy suicidal depression spirals that I can't handle. Luckily that hasn't happened in a bit.

Medication helps a lot. Honestly, I really should have gone on it a lot earlier. I wouldn't have screwed up shit so bad with some people. But now I just need to wait it out, and if they decide to reach out, then I'll try to mend the bridge I've burned with them. If not, then that's their right. All I can do is learn from my mistakes and use that to help more people and hurt less.

I've still been meaning to volunteer, but it's hard to find time. I go to a really difficult STEM university and that takes up all or my time and energy. But so far this semester is better than last, so that's good : ).

If anyone needs to PM or whatever I'm here. I can't guaruntee I'll be the quickest responder, but I'll try my hardest to get back to you ASAP.

Stay strong MH GAF. : )

I admire your strength and even-handed attitude, Xe4. The best "bad nights" I have are the ones where I'm able to take the difficulties at eye level and ride them out with a level head rather than get caught up in a whirlwind. I'm not always able to keep that level head, but just like with social difficulties, it's a matter of learning and slowly getting better and better at coping with things.

I hope you have a nice weekend!

This is a very rare entry in this thread from me, in that I'm actually going to write about how things are going better. Savor it, like a juicy steak!

(Except I don't like steak.)

Because I'm in one of those periods when my symptoms are less severe, I've been trying to figure out ways of structuring that time so I feel less lonely and anxious. For instance, last night I spent several hours at the house of a singer I used to work with. We talked a bunch, had a nice dinner and even went through some pieces on her lovely, recently tuned piano. The company was alright (honestly, she and I don't have one of those relationships where you can talk for hours because our interests are pretty different, opera aside) but the real moment of contentment came when I was at the piano, her amazing voice right beside me and we were sight-reading music, just like we used to. It reminded me how much my self-worth and happiness is tied into performing, both the benefits and the deep dangers of that. It also reminded me that for all of my flaws (and there are many), I am a very fine pianist and musician.

For the times when I'm at home alone (which is most of the time), I'm trying to set up different projects. First, I've started to walk 15-30 minutes each day (depending on the weather and how I'm feeling). Second, I've decided that my piano has sat dormant long enough and have started to seriously work on a new piece, a Mozart piano sonata. Specifically, his K. 576. It's the last sonata he wrote and probably the most difficult (which might not be the smartest choice for me but you can't say I never go big). I'm already sweating bullets in the first movement, which has a great deal of very rapid runs in it, with hands often doing very different things. And of course, being Mozart, there's nowhere to hide as the use of the pedal is extremely limited and any mistake stands out instantly. It's been fun to set aside a little bit of time each day to turn the electronics off and just sit at that piano.

It's a tricky thing. My mood starts to drop the instant that I detect I don't have enough to do but at the same time, I get really anxious if I feel like I don't have enough "me" time so finding that balance is a real challenge.

(Oh, and I need therapy, definitely, if only to start confronting my abandonment and sexuality issues. But also because I never felt I got the chance to properly grieve for the life, career and friends that I lost and I'm not really sure how. It feels bottled up inside of me. But the good news is that I'm waiting on a call back from the local mental health agency in this area so we can hopefully get the ball rolling.)

I'm so, so, so, so glad you're finding some clarity and sense of motion on things, jb. I strongly support your walks and larger projects, despite the fact that you're going to be learning Mozart of all composers.
(I'm kidding)
(Mostly)

By the way did I tell you what piano piece I settled on for the semester, finally? Chopin Op.68 No.4. Seemed more challenging than the Gershwin 2nd Prelude but not quite as brutal as the Nocturne we were considering. Plus it's good work for phrasing / dynamics / interpretation, which are my weakest link. I'm a very pitches and rhythms kind of guy.

The posts in here that trouble me the most are from the single people who get so wrapped up in being single that they talk about really disliking seeing couples and stuff. I totally get it - I can remember being single, all of my friends being in relationships, and being acutely aware of being alone. I think it's just really toxic when that turns to these very negative feelings towards people in relationships. I know with my single friends, it makes me really glad when they are genuinely happy to see my wife and I happy together. Those people give off a really positive vibe that I know other people find attractive. Demonstrating that capacity for feeling good for someone else is just an attractive quality.

I end up being the third wheel on several of my friends' dates, which is kind of weird - I certainly would not bring me on a date (on my own dates, I'm always thinking, "who invited this jackass?" about myself), but whatever. I *think* they bring me along because I'm indeed so genuinely happy to see them happy. I know couples who are a bit gross and showy, and that feels fake and weird, but the couples I really love just give off this lowkey positive energy. The more you can bask in that energy and just enjoy being in people's orbit, I think the better you feel and the better it makes you look. In the same way that it helps me make friends, I know it would really stand out if I were looking for a relationship myself.

I don't entirely know how to cultivate that. My romantic life is taken care of, so it's easy to say dumb shit like "just be yourself!" "You'll find someone when you stop looking!" etc. I guess...when you find yourself feeling negatively towards other couples, it helps to recognize it and try not to let it consume you. You can distance yourself from the couples that shove their relationship in your face, or bring you along and then only pay attention to each other (that's the worst). The couples that try to draw attention to how in love they are are invariably way less happy than they let on. Take comfort in that. My friends in the quietly contented couples are the ones who are still together.

Maybe this all seems dumb. But I know that getting pissed off about other couples is a huge barrier to finding a relationship of your own. I don't know exactly how to not get angry and upset and consumed by the desire to find someone. But it is really something to fight against because it is so counterproductive.

I know Anth0ny clarified what he meant to be a bit different in later posts, but I wanted to second this general sentiment.

I've spent a significant portion of the past 8 or so years looking for a girlfriend who could fix all of my problems. At a lot of points I didn't really realize that's what was going on but as spring turned to summer turned to fall I often found myself looking back and connecting the dots. Even then I didn't want to let go of the idea - and still haven't to some extent - that someone could come along who would be such a perfect foil to my suffering that they would rescue me from it.

At one particularly low point I thought I found that person. Except I wasn't trying to date a person, I was trying to date an idea. It only took a few weeks together for me to realize that she was more than an idea or a foil, she was a three dimensional person with her own problems, and the weight of that truth, of not having my problems suddenly fixed sent me to bad, bad places and finally into my second psychiatric hospitalization.

I do not regret those experiences. I've learned a lot over the past 8 or so years, especially, as I mentioned a few pages ago, how much I need "girlfriend figure" in my life to feel I have any value. I've started working against that over the past year and a half, trying to foster more emotional independence, but it's a long road.

It's easy to latch onto the idea that there's someone out there who's the perfect ying to our yang that will balance everything and free us from our misery. It's even a movie trope. I think we're all destined for stronger relationships with others if we can first balance our relationship with ourselves a bit. At that point we can look for people to date, not concepts or ideas or antidotes.

Super anxious about a fake patient encounter that is not even graded, gonna have to work hard if I ever want to be a competent doctor :\

For what it's worth, I have faith in you, ugaboga. Do you have any sense of what's got you so anxious about this encounter?

I think the root of my motivation and fear is that i'll be alone and stuck in one place forever and that I won't ever live up to my own (admittedly exaggerate and maybe unrealistic) ideal self. The thing is that when I was younger, I felt like I had a safe future ahead of me and wouldn't have to deal with too much (internal and external) conflict. In a sense, I felt stable. I had plenty of interests, hobbies, my family at the time wasn't split up. Of course, that was my perception inside the bubble I was in. With my GAD, anything negative is catastrophic with absolute consequence. The tenets of unbridled cynicism slowly bled through and I became rigid in not helping myself because I felt any change was for naught due to external factors that made it it's mission to push me down.

It wasn't a good idea to have my social life be primarily relegated on online forums where cynicism is "The One True Belief" and being abrasive was how to communicate. Then again, I felt like that was my only avenue due to my (at the time) severe social anxiety. It's hard to deconstruct those beliefs when that is the only perception you have had for your teen/early adult years.

Yes, I've come to believe that life is too short to be a ruthless cynic. I had to stop following politics for a few years because their constant turmoil and cynicism were sapping my ability to see the world around me in a positive light. The internet can be the same way sometimes.

There are two questions that emerged for me from reading your post:
Is there a way to move that definition of your "ideal" self? Surely it's changed throughout your life, right? Perhaps it's possible to meet in the middle - to work both at moving yourself closer to ideal while also moving that ideal closer to you.

Well, my Paxil isn't working. It's been months, plus an upped dose and nothing has changed. I feel just as depressed if not more, and I'm just as anxious.

I honestly don't think I can go much longer like this. I hate typing this because it's going to sound minor (I actually did last week and then deleted it, but I can't keep internalizing all of this). I'm slowly realizing that nobody wants me. I've become very good friends with a girl that I think I'm in love with (I know it sounds stupid and probably unstable), but I'm realizing that I'm not the type of person she wants. I think she thinks I'm childish and beneath her. And you know what? She's right. My sense of humor and behavior when I'm around her isn't exactly reflective of a mature 20 year old. I'm a goof around her because I can't show my real feelings because I know it'd make her uncomfortable, and because of that she doesn't want me. And no one else does. I have plenty of friends, but I never feel wanted. I'm just a guy that no one wants anything more than a casual friendship with, and at this point I can't exactly blame them and I don't know how to change peoples' view of me. I'm tired of being a footnote.

First of all, MattyG, if you don't feel the Paxil is working for you I encourage you to reach out to your prescribing doctor about other options, of which there are many.

Second, I think it's important to keep in mind that your identity and situation are not static; as long as we can keep ourselves open to growth it's going to happen in some way or another. After all, the only given in life is that everything is always changing. I am now in my mid-20s, and when I look back at myself at 20 I see someone who was completely different than I am now, someone who still had many teenage characteristics I hadn't yet left behind. Does that mean I was worthless? No, I don't think so; the early 20s are a time of transition where one is still working out the characteristics of their personality and identity and to expect anyone to have that figured out by age 20 or 21 is absurd.

I think there are a lot of aspects of friendships that are reasonably consistent across the board, such that a period of observation and reflection of our own social life can often clue us into how to take things in one direction or the other. For instance, shared vulnerability is tremendously important in closer friendships, and it's worth considering how open or closed we are to others and why.

Is it worth going to a counselor if it takes forever to get an appointment with a psychologist? If they're just going to refer me to a psychologist anyway I don't want to be wasting my time.

In my opinion, yes. I have never met anyone who could not benefit from counseling / therapy.

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Even then I didn't want to let go of the idea - and still haven't to some extent - that someone could come along who would be such a perfect foil to my suffering that they would rescue me from it.

At one particularly low point I thought I found that person. Except I wasn't trying to date a person, I was trying to date an idea.

In my opinion, the bolded is a HUGE realization for some. I think, too often, people are not aware that they have been conditioned from a young age to seek this inhumane, "perfect" idea of another person for ourselves. Too many of us don't even realize how to seek out or let in the "flawed" love that comes from actually acknowledging and trying to love another human, instead of obsessing over what could be a wildly inaccurate idea we've deluded ourselves into thinking is a viable end goal.

This talk comes from being treated as the "idea" instead of a human being in a relationship on more than one occasion.
 
In my opinion, the bolded is a HUGE realization for some. I think, too often, people are not aware that they have been conditioned from a young age to seek this inhumane, "perfect" idea of another person for ourselves. Too many of us don't even realize how to seek out or let in the "flawed" love that comes from actually acknowledging and trying to love another human, instead of obsessing over what could be a wildly inaccurate idea we've deluded ourselves into thinking is a viable end goal.

This talk comes from being treated as the "idea" instead of a human being in a relationship on more than one occasion.

Would you believe that that realization began with the movie 500 Days of Summer?
I watched it right in the midst of things and it stuck around in my mind for the next few months as I realized what was going on. Sometimes movies unexpectedly teach me something about the human condition.
 
It's real hard for me to discern what is just my sister trying to be controlling or if it's because of her mental issues that she is the way she is. I know it's probably a mix of both but it's just so tiring. It's like she uses it as an excuse for her always getting her way. She says stuff like "You can't blame me I act the way I do because I have mental issues." She takes absolutely zero responsibility for the way she acts and her behavior just puts a large amount of stress on me. No matter how I try and interact with her it leads to her getting mad at me and causing her to flip out.
 
I know that the feelings are illogical and you cannot control them. That's really where therapy might come in, or medication. I just woke up and it's the middle of the night or else I'd do a better job reading back over past posts. Sorry for this incomplete response.

Certainly forgiveness is a central dogma in Christianity. No sin is so bad that you are doomed to hell. I don't know if it would help to talk to a pastor and just get some reassurance from a figure like that. You could explain in general terms how you feel and how your OCD makes things bother you to an unreasonable degree. If there is a religious figure you like and trust, there may be some comfort in a more official answer that you and God are cool. More official than Father Bagels' Nighttime Ministry, anyway.

Thanks. That helps.

I don't really know any religious figures, and it'd be hard to talk about, but I may have to look.
 
Super anxious about a fake patient encounter that is not even graded, gonna have to work hard if I ever want to be a competent doctor :\

I've seen you posts around and you're in the same boat I used to be in. Entered an MD/PhD program with the intention of studying Neuroscience and becoming a Neurologist. I quickly realized that I actually liked Psychiatry way more than any other field of medicine. I liked interacting with patients more than anything else.

Two years of medical school, entered graduate school, left with a Masters, went back to med school for third year and just could not keep going. I entered school very depressed, chose the wrong school, chose the wrong lab, and just slowly burned myself out hard. I left school a wreck and am still trying to patch it all back up.

There *was* a huge difference in my patient encounters (and those weird ones with actors you have to do) between 1st year and third year. It really helps to just treat the fake patients as learning experiences. We were taped doing ours, and we'd have to review with groups of students. The big goal seemed to be "looking like a doctor" and not embarrassing yourself. It goes way better if you just consider how you'd like to be talked to as a patient, know who you are and be comfortable being who you are around people, and focus on the learning experience. The best docs I knew (one of my classmates is probably the best Neurologist I have ever met, and I met some world-class docs) never seemed to care how they looked to their classmates. They were there to learn and they knew they'd get stuff wrong and say and do things that were embarrassing.

Anyway, I'm happy to chat about my med school/grad school days!

I will say I've actually come to feel better about leaving school. I still think about Psychiatry and Psychology a lot, and there is still a sense of loss about it all. My wife is a nurse so I'm still around medical people all the time. On the plus side, her career has taken off in a huge way since I left school and we moved.

I can count on one hand the number of people from medical school, graduate school, or the MD/PhD program who are not divorced and miserable. The ones who are happy are doing great, but too many people seemed to sacrifice it all for a career that they seem really ambivalent about now.

Make sure you look after yourself! There are so many rewards in science and medicine, but it's easy to let it consume you. This is almost certainly true of any career that takes that kind of focus and time.
 
It's real hard for me to discern what is just my sister trying to be controlling or if it's because of her mental issues that she is the way she is. I know it's probably a mix of both but it's just so tiring. It's like she uses it as an excuse for her always getting her way. She says stuff like "You can't blame me I act the way I do because I have mental issues." She takes absolutely zero responsibility for the way she acts and her behavior just puts a large amount of stress on me. No matter how I try and interact with her it leads to her getting mad at me and causing her to flip out.

Be simple and calm about it. Acknowledge.

"Yup, your mental issues do cause you to act in certain ways sometimes without meaning to. But just like a cold can give you a cough and we treat the symptoms, does not mean you cannot treat the symptoms of your illness as well."

Maybe framing it like that will get her head unstuck and realizing the behavioural symptoms can be treated despite the fact that she's mentally prescribed herself an excuse for always acting like that.

If she doesn't want to treat/work on the symptoms, then it's no longer anything to do with her mental issues, only her as a person, illness aside. :)

P.S.

Try to remember though, that not feeling like treating/working on behavioural problems and symptoms is very different from not wanting to or refusing to. Maybe people just get overwhelmed and have no idea where to start- especially the ones that got to that point partly because they never learned any coping or life skills to keep themselves from slipping too far. You being her brother will give her someone to get feedback off of if you two are around each other a lot, as much as it may annoy you.
 
I've seen you posts around and you're in the same boat I used to be in. Entered an MD/PhD program with the intention of studying Neuroscience and becoming a Neurologist. I quickly realized that I actually liked Psychiatry way more than any other field of medicine. I liked interacting with patients more than anything else.

Two years of medical school, entered graduate school, left with a Masters, went back to med school for third year and just could not keep going. I entered school very depressed, chose the wrong school, chose the wrong lab, and just slowly burned myself out hard. I left school a wreck and am still trying to patch it all back up.

There *was* a huge difference in my patient encounters (and those weird ones with actors you have to do) between 1st year and third year. It really helps to just treat the fake patients as learning experiences. We were taped doing ours, and we'd have to review with groups of students. The big goal seemed to be "looking like a doctor" and not embarrassing yourself. It goes way better if you just consider how you'd like to be talked to as a patient, know who you are and be comfortable being who you are around people, and focus on the learning experience. The best docs I knew (one of my classmates is probably the best Neurologist I have ever met, and I met some world-class docs) never seemed to care how they looked to their classmates. They were there to learn and they knew they'd get stuff wrong and say and do things that were embarrassing.

Anyway, I'm happy to chat about my med school/grad school days!

I will say I've actually come to feel better about leaving school. I still think about Psychiatry and Psychology a lot, and there is still a sense of loss about it all. My wife is a nurse so I'm still around medical people all the time. On the plus side, her career has taken off in a huge way since I left school and we moved.

I can count on one hand the number of people from medical school, graduate school, or the MD/PhD program who are not divorced and miserable. The ones who are happy are doing great, but too many people seemed to sacrifice it all for a career that they seem really ambivalent about now.

Make sure you look after yourself! There are so many rewards in science and medicine, but it's easy to let it consume you. This is almost certainly true of any career that takes that kind of focus and time.

Thanks for all of the advice, I agree that its really easy to let mdphd/physician scientist path consume your life. Time will tell but I'm trying to go to therapy now and fix the burnout before it gets too bad. I'm glad you are doing better! Best of luck on your next adventures (the practice encounter went well, actors were really helpful, its really just anxiety and lack of patient contact as I only shadowed and volunteered one day each... and somehow still got in).
 
What do you feel is the nature of your incompatibility with the categorical imperative or human society? Are there an "absolute" set of contributions that humans are "supposed" to make?
Also, does your therapist assign any homework? Does he ever lend an illuminating perspective?
It relates to everything, really: looks, odor, sounds I make, I hate them all and wish to spare people from having to perceive me in any way. I could deal with being lazy and creepy if I had any redeeming values or contributions, but no. My social/financial status speaks for itself. I can't sustain my current lifestyle or any other.
I can't remember any big "revelations" from my CBT right now. Sometimes I do get homework that mostly boils down to "get out of the house more", which directly clashes with the comfort and well-being of the general populace.
 
Be simple and calm about it. Acknowledge.

"Yup, your mental issues do cause you to act in certain ways sometimes without meaning to. But just like a cold can give you a cough and we treat the symptoms, does not mean you cannot treat the symptoms of your illness as well."

Maybe framing it like that will get her head unstuck and realizing the behavioural symptoms can be treated despite the fact that she's mentally prescribed herself an excuse for always acting like that.

If she doesn't want to treat/work on the symptoms, then it's no longer anything to do with her mental issues, only her as a person, illness aside. :)

P.S.

Try to remember though, that not feeling like treating/working on behavioural problems and symptoms is very different from not wanting to or refusing to. Maybe people just get overwhelmed and have no idea where to start- especially the ones that got to that point partly because they never learned any coping or life skills to keep themselves from slipping too far. You being her brother will give her someone to get feedback off of if you two are around each other a lot, as much as it may annoy you.

We don't have that great of a relationship to be honest. She has it in her head that I want the worst for her and want nothing but to get her kicked out/in jail/hospitalized ect. Everything I do or say is seen as me trying to hurt her in some way shape or form. I've tried the calm approach and telling her that yes she has issues but it doesn't mean you can't work on them. She was spoiled growing up and coddled to the extreme. If things don't go the way she wants she has a fit. If you try and give her constructive criticism she takes it as an attack and can't see it for what it is. It's like she is trapped in her little bubble of selfishness she has what seems to be about zero self awareness. All that can lead me to lose my patience and be more harsh then I should at times as she can frustrate me to no end it seems. I try and limit my contact with her but living together kind of makes that impossible.
 
Halfway through my screed, I wondered if Valentine's Day was painful to you in this other way, but then I just kept writing. :P

That wasn't all really aimed at you. More a general observation about something that comes up in the thread a lot.

Sorry about the painful memories associated with the holiday. I take comfort in the words I learned as a kid - EVERY day is Earth Day. If Valentine's Day is painful, fuck it - just have two Earth Days each year.

On a scale of minus 10 to 0 how not helpful was any of that?

hahaha nah your posts are always helpful :)

luckily valentines day falls on NBA all star weekend (here in Toronto!) this year so I fully intend to distract myself with as much basketball as possible
 
I am not happy with my life. I don't know what to do with it nor I feel the strength to do something - not even my hobby: playing videogames.

Whenever I want to do something, I just feel weak and start losing interest really fast. I hate it when people talk to me and I just feel "depressed" (is it really depression?) all day around. If something makes me happy, I will get tired of it quickly and I'm on step one all over again.

I've living like this for a long time... and I want to get out of this loop.
 
We don't have that great of a relationship to be honest.

~snip

I try and limit my contact with her but living together kind of makes that impossible.

Yup. Definitely sounds like she hasn't had many life experiences to make her more self-aware and out of her head. She also sounds kind of young, which can make that kind of thing more common.
 
I forgot to tweet the bell let's talk stuff. Damn. I like that event too. Feel bad about forgettin sorry mates
 
It's becoming more and more clear to me that a lot of my issues are circumstance related, and that I need to try to get out and perhaps even move out in the near future. It's getting harder and harder to deal with family, as although I try to help and do more than I've ever done, I'm still treated like shit and told I'm lazy, useless, etc.

It's worn me down to where I have no self-esteem and look to their opinions of me for whether I'm worth anything. This relationship has been like this since I was a kid, and I regularly overhear how my other parent was too easy on me, didn't make me do anything and that they gave up on me.

I'm talking about one parent, though. Not both. I have a great relationship with the other one, but they're disabled now due to previous health issues and require care. It takes two of us to look after them, and I live my life around their schedule. I get up to help lift them into bed, and do so throughout the day, look after them overnight (if they need anything they call me), get them drinks, etc. I'm a full-time caregiver in a lot of respects. On top of that, I sweep practically every day, do the dishes, dust from time to time and vacuum. I help the PSWs that come in also, and look after the cats.

All while dealing with depression, having little energy and not getting enough quality sleep.

It's tough, because I feel I need to be here for said family member, and even though I'm told I need to leave, I know that if it actually happened things would be a lot more difficult here. We don't get a ton of help, but we do get 3 hours a day, which is appreciated.

But I hate having to walk on egg shells and look for validation elsewhere, while also waiting for the next moment where I'll get yelled at. I need to stop responding, though, because then maybe it'll stop. Everything I say is just an excuse anyways.

I don't know if I can get better here, but I'm not independent enough to live on my own and have no real income.
 
Yup. Definitely sounds like she hasn't had many life experiences to make her more self-aware and out of her head. She also sounds kind of young, which can make that kind of thing more common.

She's 24-25ish... No she has been very sheltered and everything has always tended to be about her and if it wasn't she'd make it about her. She very much has to be the center of attention. I just don't know what it will take to get her to look inward into herself.
 
Yes, I've come to believe that life is too short to be a ruthless cynic. I had to stop following politics for a few years because their constant turmoil and cynicism were sapping my ability to see the world around me in a positive light. The internet can be the same way sometimes.

There are two questions that emerged for me from reading your post:
Is there a way to move that definition of your "ideal" self? Surely it's changed throughout your life, right? Perhaps it's possible to meet in the middle - to work both at moving yourself closer to ideal while also moving that ideal closer to you.

At the time, my ideal self was a proficient artist who was/is proud of their work and their multiple accomplishments. I thought I had gained the former at one time, but was still lacking on the latter. (Jobs, relationships, etc) It was established pretty rigidly in my mind, mostly because I was told to stick with what I can do best and the lingering insecurity that anything else I start out with I wouldn't be proficient enough within a small length of time. That is rooted from my impatience and my fear of wasting my youth.
 
She's 24-25ish... No she has been very sheltered and everything has always tended to be about her and if it wasn't she'd make it about her. She very much has to be the center of attention. I just don't know what it will take to get her to look inward into herself.

I understand where you're coming from now better. It'll probably take more than your parents have provided/surrounded her with her entire life if it's still a deep problem at that age.
 
I understand where you're coming from now better. It'll probably take more than your parents have provided/surrounded her with her entire life if it's still a deep problem at that age.

I think the only thing that will shock her system is being kicked out and having to fend for herself for once. I use to be very self absorbed and like her but luckily one day I woke up and was like what am I doing with my life.
 
I really really really hate those super vivid and realistic dreams. The ones that stick with you all day and affect your mood (somehow). Like come on my moods are already pretty shitty why does that have to add to it.
 
I feel like I had kids just to convince myself to stay living.

The result is overwhelming love for said kids, crushing fear for their safety and well-being, and the everyday worry that I'll crack and leave them and scar them for life.

My dad left when I was 6 (not by suicide; he just left) and I always figured it was because I just wasn't worth sticking around for. That shit can really mess a kid up. I never want my kids to wonder that.

(Sorry. Husband and I watched that Kurt Cobain documentary, "Montage of Heck". It was the most heartbreaking tale of addiction and mental illness I've ever seen :/ and just led to a flood of thinking and sad.)
 
Whoa, Bagels has another kid now? I am out of the loop.

I'm out of hope I'll ever "recover", too.

I'm fertile as shit, dude.

I feel like I had kids just to convince myself to stay living.

The result is overwhelming love for said kids, crushing fear for their safety and well-being, and the everyday worry that I'll crack and leave them and scar them for life.

My dad left when I was 6 (not by suicide; he just left) and I always figured it was because I just wasn't worth sticking around for. That shit can really mess a kid up. I never want my kids to wonder that.

(Sorry. Husband and I watched that Kurt Cobain documentary, "Montage of Heck". It was the most heartbreaking tale of addiction and mental illness I've ever seen :/ and just led to a flood of thinking and sad.)

Following up my dumb comment with some serious ones on the same topic!

If you really did have kids for not the best reason (and I'd really ask if that was the only reason. It can be part of the reason, sure, and I can see that bothering you, but I'd guess you had other reasons, too), I think the best you can do is acknowledge that and work on the future. You love your kids, which goes a long way for parenting. Part of that love has to be wanting them to live their lives and go out and do things. Their well being goes well beyond just protecting them from all potential harm.

The worry that you will run out is understandable, but it's honestly a sign that you probably will NOT run out. Generally speaking, the parent who abandons their kids is the parent who does not think too much about stuff like that. Right? It's not an overabundance of thought that leads to this behavior. It's the impulsive, selfish parent who just bails.

I know the thoughts must suck (I have my own concerns about my kids developing my depression, or being upset because I am depressed so often) and therapy can help there, but the fact that you are thinking about this stuff predicts good outcomes, not bad ones.
 
My disabled parent had another slight, one to two minute-long seizure tonight. They were/are fine afterwards, but it scares me. That's three in the last two months or less.

I hope that the cancer hasn't returned in their brain, and that this is just normal now. Normal as in their brain has been altered and seizures can occur, especially with stress. We lost my grandmother recently, and it's been super hard on them. I expected a seizure the day of, but it took a day or two for it to happen and I knew that one had to be stress. Hopefully this one is too?

They're on seizure meds, and have been for years now, but slight seizures still occur every month to six weeks. They're coherent, and stare, plus their eyes sometimes flicker. I'm not sure if it's a real seizure or if it's a misfire in their brain from the radiation/surgery.

It scares the hell out of me, because the only person I'm incredibly close to anymore is the one I'm writing about. Without them, I see no point in living and nothing to live for. I'll be ten times more broken if anything happens and the fear is paralyzing.
 
Is it worth going to a counselor if it takes forever to get an appointment with a psychologist? If they're just going to refer me to a psychologist anyway I don't want to be wasting my time.

Absolutely yes. Talk therapy in some form I feel was such a necessary revelation in my life. If they end up refering you to someone else at least that's not wasted time because with some experiences with you they could match you to a suitable psych without you having to run down an entire list
 
I'm sorry things are so tough, Steamlord. Is there an option for continuing to see the psychologist regularly and receiving therapy?

Not that particular psychologist. I might start going to therapy again though. CBT has never worked for me before though and the psychologist seemed to agree that it wouldn't work as long as my anxiety was strong enough that I couldn't force myself into the exposure situations, which is why she wanted my psychiatrist to try prescribing more medications.
 
I always feel bad coming in here whenever things for me fluctuate to a super low emotional point, leave a post, and never really come back around to it. I know exactly how I was feeling at the moment I make a post asking for help or advice, yet the next day I'll just disregard it completely. "Oh I was just overly emotional and overreacting" yet it's always the same sort of reaction time after time it's just frustrating. I don't know what to do with myself. Of I quit my job, I'll feel like a complete failure and loser and have to deal with my dad riding me about it (since he got me the job and disregards my feelings about it because "I make a lot of money for doing nothing"). If I do nothing I'll continue to not sleep well, eat extremely unhealthy, and be miserable. My friend is currently trying to help me out with doing what he does but if that doesn't pull through I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm waking up with headaches every morning from stress grinding my teeth in my sleep again. Shit sucks.
 
So I'm looking desperately for a good therapist here in Frankfurt, Germany that speaks English. I'm sure they're out there but it's not proving super easy to find what I need.

My severe health anxiety continues to be an issue and I'm constantly bouncing between super lows and just "OK". Feeling really shitty these days.
 
So I'm looking desperately for a good therapist here in Frankfurt, Germany that speaks English. I'm sure they're out there but it's not proving super easy to find what I need.

My severe health anxiety continues to be an issue and I'm constantly bouncing between super lows and just "OK". Feeling really shitty these days.

In the meantime, does anything help? Going out for a walk, maybe read the paper over a coffee somewhere quiet?
 
Things are good but I keep waking up angry. Don't even know at what, I guess dreams I can't remember. But the feeling of anger lasts into the morning and it sucks
 
Going to see the NP who manages my meds tomorrow. I feel like I need to nudge the dose up the tiniest bit. I dunno. I wish I could see my old psychiatrist (moved, so it's not an option). I like the NP a lot, but I take a weird med and I'd be more comfortable with someone with more medication expertise. So much of managing this ends up being on me (my family doc asks me if I can take something before he prescribes it. That's okay, I guess, but I'd sort of like it more if *he* knew, you know?). I know a lot about my med, but managing your own care is never a good idea. I know I have blind spots about stuff and that has gotten me in trouble before.

It's all kind of stressful.
 
Waking up sucks. I get mad when I wake up sometimes, because I'd just rather not.
Same here. I actually resent going to bed at night and push things off (like I am now) because I don't want to accept that tomorrow has to start and I have to deal with everything shitty again. Waking up the following day only adds to it.
 
Good news! My meds are almost certainly working!
As of a week or two ago, I had a feeling that my meds were working and my mood was improved, but it was hard to say for certain, however, now I'm confident that they're working.
This is mildly embarrassing to talk about, but for the past year or two, my libido has been so low due to depression that I didn't once wake up with morning wood in that year or two. However, these past few days, I've woken up with morning wood (and have noticed my libido a bit higher in other instances as well). This is the first unmistakable sign that my meds are working and my depression is diminishing. It gives me so much hope. (And yes, it's pretty hilarious to think about that waking up with morning wood is something so incredibly significant.)
With that said, I've definitely noticed that my mood has been much better as well. I haven't felt depressed in a week or two. That's not to say everything is brilliant and perfect. I still have noticeable anhedonia and I'm still not particularly loving life, but I'm also not hopeless and miserable and all that.

Thank God for meds that work!
 
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