The New Hampshire Primary |Feb 9|: Live Free or Die

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Amir0x said:
you are not seriously comparing the metrics there, or even the situation....right? Americans don't even like socialists, for one. Many would view that as negative history from the jump. For another, you aren't born a socialist. If this is the strength of arguments Bernie has for his campaign to nowhere, it's not really a surprise things are the way they are.
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Iowa and NH confirmed to be not American.
 
OldAsUrSock said:
That isn't true. 1930's America brought in a socialist.
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That doesn't falsify my statement even if you think that's true.

Gutek said:
Iowa and NH confirmed to be not American.
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You do know what polls and statistics mean, right? As well as understand Democratic primary voters don't represent the majority of Americans, correct? Every time a poll is done on whether Americans like socialists, the answer is: they don't, in large numbers.
 
OldAsUrSock said:
That isn't true. 1930's America brought in a socialist.
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FDR was not a socialist and any attempt to characterize him as one is blatant revisionist history.

It's like claiming the Canadian Liberals were socialist in the 1960s for co-opting the shit out of the actually-socialist NDP's policies.
 
I will say something that I did like about bernies victory.

The first jewish candidate actually won a state! Also the first non-christian (nominally as we've had deists but to the chagrin of many internet athests they probably have more in common with Christians than reddit posters)
 
For a socialist, it's strange how little Bernie talks about organized labor.

Maybe it doesn't fit in with the messianic anti-establishment theme.
 
Epsilon-delta said:
The 90's crime rate was already on a downward trend compared to the highs of the 80's. The Violent Crime is indefensible, and even Bill apologized for it.

Woops, my bad for mass incarceration of minorities.

Depends on who you ask like always.

My brother-in-law hates the Clintons with a passion. His family was affected by the Welfare Reform Bill and the Violent Crime bill.
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Are we talking about the same bill Bernie supported?
 
neurosisxeno said:
And they now have the lowest approval rating in recorded history, and a lot of people expect pretty massive gains for the Dems in 2016.
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House will still remain red, senate might stay red depending how Repubs run. Sanders could be devastating down ballot.

And never count out the pettiness of the DNC. Don't expect them to roll out the red carpet for him. Hell I'm willing to bet they'll backstab him the first chance they get for good.

If anyone could just waltz in without paying their dues to the party and expect to win and expect party support in the general then man, what's the point of the party?

The only consolation is the RNC is in the exact same boat with Trump.

On a side note if Trump wins and brings Universal Healthcare to the USA it would be the craziest thing since Nixon went to China.

Mr. RPG said:
I hope you still vote in the general election when Bernie gets the nomination.
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It's not him you have to worry about, it's the moderate baby boomers who grew up hating socialism and communists.
 
I forgot that the primary was today, anything surprising happen? Were Kasich and Sanders supposed to do this well in NH?
 
NYCmetsfan said:
Have you not watched her speak.

Its because we can't afford to lose. Every person who has obamacare subsidies for another day is a victory, every women who is able to fight for equal pay is a victory, every women who can decide what to do with her body is a victory, every immigrant who isn't deported is a victory.

She knows that she's best positioned to defend and expand on these things instead of promising something which may be great but has the high and likely potential of ripping all of these gains away.
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You assume that the election hinges on the candidate alone, and not the party. Is this not self defeatist? Assuming that Democrats have a lock if Clinton is the nominee is short sighted. Democrats must fight to the end. Regardless of the candidate. I support Bernie because I think he has better ideas for the nation.
 
Trump, you goddamn genius.

'We're going to make Business men make the deals"

"We have to stop allowing the lobbying interests to influence our politicians"



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bounchfx said:
about him 'not getting anything done', we don't know that for sure, but we already know how much less obama was able to accomplish because of it. Bernies entire message, from what I understand, isn't to simply elect him president. It's part of a much larger movement, collective conscious awakening of people to understand the power they have with electing people they believe in, and rebuilding our governments officials from the ground up. We need to vote in congress that care about the people.
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There can be no larger movement without Dems showing up to the polls in midterm years, which they have fucking failed at spectacularly the last two times. Banking the success of a Sanders presidency on a historically unlikely scenario -- that isn't even set to happen for another two years -- seems, to me, a bit foolish.
 
Democrats
Voting percentage reported 49%

Bernie Sanders 59%
Hillary Clinton 39%

Republicans
Voting percentage reported 48%

Donald Trump 34%
Marco Rubio 11%
John Kasich 16%
Ted Cruz 12%
Jeb (John E. Bush) 11%
Chris Christie 8%
Carly Fiorina 4%
Ben Carson 2%
 
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