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I'd say this hurts people who exclusively own the X1. Less people will buy an X1, so it'll get less software support, period. It's not as if software sold on other platforms justifies developing for a platform your sales were not on. It's not a plus for these people and you'd be delusional to say so.

Otherwise it helps the devs, probably, depending on MS's personal support. Also helps PC gamers, and potentially everyone by not locking to a single system of DRM.

 

[Pantaghana]

I feel like in need to preface this:
I'm a PC gamer, I don't own and am unlikely to ever own a console, even for an exclusive I'm interested in. My current situation simply doesn't allow for it.
MS bringing more of their exclusives on to PC means more games for me to buy so I can't complain.

Now that that's out of the way:

People saying that exclusives earn money for the platform holders is always such a strange statement to me.
Yeah, sure, platform holder makes a game for X amount of money and then sell copies that earn them Y amount of money where Y>X. I get that.

But I was always under the impression that profit margins from exclusives are minor relative to licencing and subscriptions. The main purpose of an exclusive always struck me as spreading awareness and influence of a platform, rather than pure profit. I guess making them really cool and expensive ads?

But when you release an exclusive on PC, part of that awareness and influence that the platform holder invested in, goes to a platform where they can't licence or charge a subscription.
Sure, they get extra sales and earn some extra cash, but was that extra cash worth it?

After all, once someone buys a console they then feel a need to justify that purchase, proceeding to buy other games and possibly a subscription. How many sales of an exclusive on a PC do you need to be able to justify selling one console less?

Sorry if I'm rambling, exclusivity was always strange to me.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Switching over to PC just gets easier and easier, with console exclusives disappearing.

Time to get Nintendo's games on PC as well so I'll never need to buy another console.

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

I don't really see it as a bad thing, but it definitely makes me less likely to buy any future console from MS. And it's pretty shitty that they're going to keep charging a subscription from console owners when PC owners are getting the same experience with most of the same games for free.

Buy a console or a pc with WIndows 10 it makes their business prosper. They are just being intelligent. It makes me buy their games twice, one in a sale etc dependent on game. So i can see the fancy wouped up PC verison and have the console version as well.

If you didn't buy your xbox one for games like Halo 5 and 6, forza/forza horizon, sunset overdrive/crackdown etc then I would feel remorse. The console still has incredible exclusives. I feel no remorse. I personally only have played bloodborne and am waiting for uncharted yet I don't regret my PS4 purchase. Basically I have played more exclusives onmy xbox but everyones different.

 

[demigod]

As far as we know MS dont make any money from Xbox hardware so they probably don't give a shit if you throw your toys out the pram and decide "because it's coming to PC I'm not buying an Xbox evvvveeerrrrrrr...."

They make money on software and services and the more platforms those software and services are available on the better it is for them. It's not hard to understand. Die hard console only players aren't going to go full retard because a game is available on PC as well, and if you're shouting that you're getting rid of your Xbox because a game is coming to PC, then you probably didn't want one in the first place. And you need help.

I'll never understand the attitude of some people when it comes to exclusive games. They are the bane of the industry. The more games in the hands of more people the better it is for everyone.

Loss hardware sales = loss of potential 3rd party software sales and live subs. You just contradicted yourself. Ya'll can spin it however you want but people in both of these threads are now either planning on selling their xbox one or just getting the game on PC now instead of buying a bone.

 

[Zeta Oni]

I'd say this hurts people who exclusively own the X1. Less people will buy an X1, so it'll get less software support, period. It's not as if software sold on other platforms justifies developing for a platform your sales were not on. It's not a plus for these people and you'd be delusional to say so.

I own just a xbox one.

I have friends that play on PC (shocking) and who will now be able to get their ass kicked in killer instinct, which was previously never gonna happen.

That one point kinda invalidates the bolded

Please don't speak on behalf of an audience I'm guessing your not included in.

 

[pizzacat]

More of these games have to be on steam tho. When gears UE drops for PC (&#128514, and it's not on steam I don't think I'll buy

 

[mejin]

Games are cross buy at least?

 

[Jonneh3003]

As a consumer I'm fine with it but it won't sell Xbox Ones, it completely kills any ambition to buy an Xbox One I mean Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive are still exclusive but it would be far more compelling if Titanfall, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Quantum Break, ReCore and Sea of Thieves were also exclusive to the system. PS4 and Xbox One already aren't competing, Xbox One doesn't need to lose its exclusives.

 

[Kayant]

I don't care about it but having to play online while PC uses the exact same services gets it free is pretty bullshit, it's also why I don't think any major multiplayer game will make it to PC that isn't a remaster.

Single player focus / F2P / Remaster will probably all go on PC, but multiplayer focused games like Halo? Don't see it.

Sea of Thieves? Although I don't recall if it's confirmed as cross-platform given the nature of the games I consider it to be a fairly major MP title.

 

[Elandyll]

I don't know if it's great for Xbox owners, but it is great for gamers in general. Also will give more chance for the title to generate a large amount of sales and thus for Remedy to keep on trucking.

 

[DISSESHOWEDO]

For me as a consumer, it is great!
For xbox as a console brand not at all!

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Why did I buy a Xbox One again? As a Day 1 owner I feel like I've made the most stupid purchase ever.

In theory you've "lost nothing" by games going to PC as well, but you purchase consoles with the expectation that your investment will facilitate playing games you otherwise wouldn't have had access to. So on that front it's a dick move to early adopters who aren't aware that the rules are going to be different this time and actually you don't need an XBO for certain formerly exclusive or "mostly exclusive" franchises.

Since it's not actually that many people who this affects (Set of people who own both XBO and gaming PC is not enormous on an industry scale wide scale) it's not going to affect business in a big way. At the same time, MS should be looking into ways they can enhance the value of owning an XBO to that group. XBO -> Win 10 streaming is neat for people using laptops, although Win 10 -> XBO streaming would be way better, in addition to a media player and local games player if you need it, the XBO becomes an extension of your gaming PC. Cross buy needs to become essentially universal for multiplats you buy digital on Xbox or through the Win 10 store on PC, as well. The future of the Xbox platform could be as part of the Windows ecosystem in that way, becoming increasingly versatile and open to power users.

 

[rrc1594]

I don't know if it's great for Xbox owners, but it is great for gamers in general. Also will give more chance for the title to generate a large amount of sales and thus for Remedy to keep on trucking.

As a Xbox owner I think it's great. Higher chance for new Ips to get sequels

 

[DryvBy]

How does this invalidate your purchase?

Depends. If you bought a One just for the exclusives and they're coming to a platform you already game on, it invalidates your purchase.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Why did I buy a Xbox One again? As a Day 1 owner I feel like I've made the most stupid purchase ever.

Eh, this doesn't dismiss your purchase. A lot of third party PS4 games make it to PC. This is a third party game, after all. It gives more exposure to the game, resulting in more sales, resulting in sequels for you to play.

 

[keidashxd]

Maybe it's a benefit for the games itself, but not for the console itself (Xbox One).

Games will sell more, but third party support can be compromised easily, and we could expect more ps4-pc versions to come because why bother in Xbox One if even MS doesn't worry to keep their games in his console? It'll be a lot easier/cheaper for Sony to pay for an exclusive console deal for example if we arrive to this situation and then Xbox One will not only lose a lot of exclusive titles by the way but a lot of third party support also.

 

[rrc1594]

Eh, this doesn't dismiss your purchase. A lot of third party PS4 games make it to PC. This is a third party game, after all.

Wouldn't it be first party since they own it?

 

[Flintty]

I'd say this hurts people who exclusively own the X1. Less people will buy an X1, so it'll get less software support, period. It's not as if software sold on other platforms justifies developing for a platform your sales were not on. It's not a plus for these people and you'd be delusional to say so.

Ref. bolded part, how many Xbox's have been sold to date? A couple of games being additionally available on PC is not going descrease software support for the Xbox any time soon.

Man, this thread is going places.

One final thought - if games are cross buy, who's to say that PC gamers won't pick up an Xbox so they can carry on with their game on the sofa when the mood takes them? That's what the Xbox brand should be aiming for.

 

[Xando]

I don't know if it's great for Xbox owners, but it is great for gamers in general. Also will give more chance for the title to generate a large amount of sales and thus for Remedy to keep on trucking.

More potential customers = More sales = More games
That's always good for me.

 

[Widge]

I don’t understand why some folk only see this movement as a negative thing.

On one side it is like this: I am a PC owner but I fancy a console. What does each offer me?

Playstation - a selection of interesting platform specific titles that have been subsidised by the platform holder.
Nintendo - a selection of interesting platform specific titles that have been subsidised by the platform holder.
XB1 - nothing that I don't have already.

It is also perception thing. Eventually the XB1 will give the impression that it will not reward you for your investment in the platform by funding game development for it. The 360 pretty much traded on 3rd party technical superiority in its second half of its lifecycle.

When the three platform holders queue up whatever comes along in the next generation, are you going to plump for the one that pretty much will give you nothing back? No.

 

[Rymuth]

Is this the new 'unbundling the kinect means higher kinect sales and therefore, more kinect focused games'?

 

[TheKeyPit]

It's still a microsoft exclusive. Wider audience = more money = more exclusives for microsoft platforms.

 

[Dahaka]

Depends. If you bought a One just for the exclusives and they're coming to a platform you already game on, it invalidates your purchase.

This. Although I'm most likely part of an extreme minority this machine is really reduced to Forza and Halo (and Sunset Overdrive) by now.

Spoiler

yes, I'm happy I can play this on my PC

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Eh, this doesn't dismiss your purchase. A lot of third party PS4 games make it to PC. This is a third party game, after all.

I wouldn't necessarily call a game that MS helped write, develop, and even have a community manager for (and own the IP) 3rd party.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Wouldn't it be first party since they own it?

I suppose, yeah. Doesn't change anything though. It's a great game releasing on Xbox one as a console exclusive. More sales for it means good for them all.

I wouldn't necessarily call a game that MS helped write, develop, and even have a community manager for (and own the IP) 3rd party.

Yeah, you're right. Does it change anything though for Xbox one owners?

 

[TheCarrotKiller]

Agreed, however if I where a Xbox One owner only I wouldn't want this to get to the point where buying an Xbox would become completely obsolete. So that the user base would be low enough that some publishers would choose to avoid the console altogether in favour of, in this case, PS4 or PC. Though this isn't happening and the Xbox user base isn't by no means tiny so at the moment, or in this generation, this will not be a problem. But I don't find it strange that owners of one console would want as many people as possible to buy that console.

 

[rrc1594]

I can see Halo 5 going to PC

 

[SimonM7]

Of course it's bad for Xbox. I cannot fathom how that's not plainly obvious to everyone.

As someone who has all three consoles and a fit-for-fight PC, the only reason to get a console is to play its exclusive games. I wouldn't have any of them if all their exclusives came out for PC. But I just don't find it difficult to put myself in someone else's shoes.

The mantra is that a console's exclusive games determine what platform to go with, and the celebration of Xbox being stripped of its exclusive games can only come from a mindset of not wanting to purchase one in the first place. And in the current climate, I suppose that's expected.

Given that the games are treated decently on whatever service they're tethered to on PC (RTTR on Win store raising some doubts there) it's a great thing for gamers and gaming, long term - but having the flagship gaming *thing* from Microsoft house the shittier of two options on day 1 is exclusively a bummer for Xbox One owners. Patting them on the head and telling them otherwise is frankly just condescending.

It must really speak to how much respect is afforded Xbox fans compared to Nintendo and Sony ones, that they should be "grateful" that their games would immediately be better elsewhere.

Sorry that this post is so passive-aggressive, but the whole thing ticks me off. It is what it is, and MS will do whatever they do, but expecting anything but a sense of switcheroo from Xbox fans is just mean.

 

[dancrane212]

I'd say this hurts people who exclusively own the X1. Less people will buy an X1, so it'll get less software support, period. It's not as if software sold on other platforms justifies developing for a platform your sales were not on. It's not a plus for these people and you'd be delusional to say so.

As a consumer I'm fine with it but it won't sell Xbox Ones, it completely kills any ambition to buy an Xbox One I mean Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive are still exclusive but it would be far more compelling if Titanfall, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Quantum Break, ReCore and Sea of Thieves were also exclusive to the system. PS4 and Xbox One already aren't competing, Xbox One doesn't need to lose its exclusives.

But look NPD and the like and see what folk are buying consoles for - it's games like Fallout, GTA5, Witcher 3, etc. All of those games are available, and better, on PC but yet the consoles still sell. Just look how huge the Battlefront marketing deal was on PS4 - third parties are the king now.

Of course it's bad for Xbox. I cannot fathom how that's not plainly obvious to everyone.

I am someone who primarily plays on Xbox despite owning or having access to all the platforms including a decently powerful PC. When I see games like Sunset Overdrive come out and barely make a blip sales wise and read posts from other users who want to buy the game but on another MS platform it sucks. I want Xbox games to be successful and PC releases are one of the best ways help to make that happen for plenty of games.

 

[Calm Killer]

Why buy a xbox and pay for xbox live gold if a can buy a PC and get better graphics, free online and cheaper games?

Because I spend more time in front of my TV than I do in my office. And it is easier for me to have it on my xbox.

 

[LordRaptor]

And it's pretty shitty that they're going to keep charging a subscription from console owners when PC owners are getting the same experience with most of the same games for free.

Most PC owners paid for their Windows OS and didn't get subsidised hardware.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

I suppose, yeah. Doesn't change anything though. It's a great game releasing on Xbox one as a console exclusive. More sales for it means good for them all.



Yeah, you're right. Does it change anything though for Xbox one owners?

Ya I'm just being technical and picky haha

 

[ForsakenLotus]

I don't mind, but the notion is that the Xbox One and potentially future Microsoft consoles loose some of their value if the perception is that some of the biggest exclusives will also be on PC. I have no idea if this notion is true or if it will prove to be true if more Microsoft exclusives also release on PC, but there is some legitimate concern even if it's not accurate.

 

[karma2578]

Good for a larger player base on multiplayer games if crossplay

 

[klee123]

How does this invalidate your purchase?

Not sure with his situation, but hypothetically....

If I owned a good gaming PC and bought a X1 purely for the exclusives, then I'd be pissed too, since I effectively bought a $300 machine which plays the same games as the PC, but with worse performance and graphics.

 

[lolosgolos]

Even better if anything that goes on Windows OS comes to the X1 too. Other than that its just a situation were you purchase something for its exclusives only to find out later on that they on other platforms too

 

[The Jackdog]

Why buy a xbox and pay for xbox live gold if a can buy a PC and get better graphics, free online and cheaper games?

i have a pc.

i read this kind of comment all the time on gaf.

people. dont. care.

console owners are gonna be console owners. Half the people i know who own a console, maybe more than half, dont even know you can use a controller with pc games. they are different audiences.

 

[Flintty]

Just wait for the final phase of the plan.

1. Quantum Break sells a trillion copies.

2. Quantum Break 2 available lifetime exclusively for Xbox One only.

 

[texhnolyze]

Switching over to PC just gets easier and easier, with console exclusives disappearing.

Time to get Nintendo's games on PC as well so I'll never need to buy another console.

Haven't you heard?
The NX will be somewhat connected to PC.

 

[Jonneh3003]

But look NPD and the like and see what folk are buying consoles for - it's games like Fallout, GTA5, Witcher 3, etc. All of those games are available, and better, on PC but yet the consoles still sell. Just look how huge the Battlefront marketing deal was on PS4 - third parties are the king now.



I am someone who primarily plays on Xbox despite owning or having access to all the platforms including a decently powerful PC. When I see games like Sunset Overdrive come out and barely make a blip sales wise and read posts from other users who want to buy the game but on another MS platform it sucks. I want Xbox games to be successful and PC releases are one of the best ways to make that happen.

Third parties are driving systems, however when both the PS4 and Xbox One have the same games they need their own exclusive titles to differentiate themselves and compete.

Sure both systems have The Witcher 3 but PS4 also has Bloodborne so that might be a reason for you to choose PS4, you might choose Xbox One for Halo 5. Third parties mean a lot but they aren't what bring you to choose a system when both systems offer third party software.

Taking those Xbox One games and putting them on PC only encourages you to stick with PC and not buy an Xbox One, it may even lead to you deciding to get a PS4 as you can already play the Xbox One games you want on PC.

 

[Elios83]

And people with decent PC'S have very little reason to buy a surface, or a windows phone etc, but they do because they offer different experiences. It's not as clear cut as you're trying to make out.

MS are a software company. They will attempt to get their software on as many devices as possible.

Why should I have little reason to buy a smartphone or a tablet if I have a PC?
I see very little connection here Those are completely unrelated products with different purposes.
The purpose of Xbox is to play certain games (triple-A, state of the art) at home. Something you can do on your PC as well (even better if you have the money).
If the games are all available on PC a PC owner has no reason to buy a Xbox.
It's indeed clear cut.

Of course I agree with the latter part, Microsoft cares about their overall business as a software company hence why they understand it's in their interest to put those games on PC, promote the Windows ecosystem and make more money.
But for Xbox as platform is not good, it turns it from a specific platform with its own identity into a cheap Windows box.

 

[recursive]

I don't really see it as a bad thing, but it definitely makes me less likely to buy any future console from MS. And it's pretty shitty that they're going to keep charging a subscription from console owners when PC owners are getting the same experience with most of the same games for free.

The subscription has little to do with the games, just the ability to play online. And at that it is nothing new, it has been that way for a while with no fee on pc.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Most PC owners paid for their Windows OS and didn't get subsidised hardware.

I'm sure Xbox users would gladly pay a one time $100 fee to play online permanently.

 

[gamz]

I can't be the only one that had no interest in getting a gaming PC. I love the simple nature of consoles. Easy setup and they just work.

 

[Ales]

Without exclusive console has no reason to exist.Spencer will make history as the man who killed the xbox.I bought the x1 for exclusive and now is a paperweight.

 

[slavesnyder]

Is this the new 'unbundling the kinect means higher kinect sales and therefore, more kinect focused games'?

 

[Goose_Se7en]

I get why console exclusives exist and some platform holders like MS last gen and Sony this gen do pay publishers to get exclusivity and or exclusivity windows with certain games and or DLC.

But why not put your games on as many platforms as possible? For Sony and MS's 1st party studios I get why that isn't the case but for every other publisher why not?

More people get to enjoy your games and more revenue for publishers.

I'll say this tho, I'm waiting on the NX and hope the hardware is up to snuff but for awhile now I've wanted Nintendo to pull a Sega and drop out of hardware altogether and become solely a publisher putting their games out on every platform imaginable.

 

[drotahorror]

You know that Microsoft didn't release Alan Wake on PC right?

 

[Rocketz]

Without exclusive console has no reason to exist.Spencer will make history as the man who killed the xbox.I bought the x1 for exclusive and now is a paperweight.

Or you know convince. Not everyone has a PC that is capable of playing these games.