Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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dancrane212
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When Remedy came out and said how Alan Wake didn't sell enough copies early on in it's life it was, if I recall right, before any insane discount on the game happened. In fact, the video where Sam Lake mentions the series not hitting that 3 million copies sold fast enough was when Remedy announced the humble bundle and heavy digitial discount on Xbox 360.
That decision to not proceed with Alan Wake would have been made sometime before the Quantum Break announcement in mid-2013. No idea how long Remedy had been working at Quantum Break at that point so it's hard to figure out when that call was made, but ultimately I think the dates line up close enough to help out my reasoning...at least a bit.
Microsoft has said they are able to match players by controller type for games where that would be important.
I don't get it.
The Xbox business is games. If you admit they'll get additional revenue from PC sales, then how can this be bad for the Xbox business. The Xbox is not just limited to a rectangular plastic box.
Feel_The_Pain
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Because it's not selling as well as the ps4?
It's more likely that Microsoft will start advertising in Tier 2 than Crackdown staying Xbox One exclusive.
Not that it's a great excuse, but the most recent Lumia phones were in motion before Panay took over that team. I'd wait to see his Surface Phone to judge how Windows 10 actually scales to phones.
Well I mean I would hate to be him right now. The amount of stupidity being thrown his way is ridiculous.
You're trying to make too much sense to people who don't want to hear it. This is what MS wanted years ago (and in which they should have had with Windows 8). Seeing it finally happen is just awesome. I believe the next Xbox will be back compat and since all of my games are digital, they will follow me. The games that are cross-buy, I'll keep those too as I upgrade my PC. It's the future.
Funny, Apple has games that are cross-buy with iPhone and iPad and everyone is happy because they own the game regardless of the device. Microsoft does it with Xbox One and Windows Store and everyone loses their minds. SMH.
It really comes down to change is confusing and scary for some. I really hope Spencer isn't at all weighing the opinions of some of these folks who don't get it. The faster we move away from enabling console warrior BS the better off the gaming communities will be.
KurtSloane
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I meant with relation to the console, and as far as most are concerned the console is the Xbox business.
Of course they will get additional revenue but if the console was in a healthier position, especially with relation to sales of exclsuives on the console then their is a very high chance this would not happen.
How many 360 exclsuives made it to PC?
ugh_the_boot
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There seems to be zero reason to own an Xbone when PC gets all it's games and more.
exactly this. The xbox one is 2 years old so not supporting it right now along with the money they get from subscribers would be just throwing money away but what happens when next gen starts coming around. They will have ported all their exclusives to pc so less of a reason to buy the console and their will be significant decrease in gold subscribers so they are getting less money from that. Unless they have some great way of promoting windows with the xbox consoles i just don't see how the xbox hardware survives this gen.
Nadella said he was going to do this with Xbox back in mid 2014 shortly after he took over, as part of his strategy to enable mobile experiences.
KurtSloane
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Although it may not be the case that every first party / second party / 3rd party exclusive ends up on PC, if more than most do then it does diminish reasons to buy an Xbox console.
Giriath_89
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I'm definitely glad! Now I can sell my XB1.
That's stage 2. Soooo...PC gamers, Crackdown has this amazing destruction mode which uses the cloud, amazing isn't it, requires Xbox Live Gold, cough. Thank you, enjoy. Microsoft.
Do you really think a significant portion of Xbox One / 360 / anyone with an interest in Xbox One, will suddenly change their mind / sell their system / avoid buying the console and get a gaming PC - just because the games have also been announced to be coming to PC?
Outside of enthusiast forums like GAF where you see the sentiment, very few of the people interested in console gaming give a shit about PC gaming or investing in a gaming PC. They are more concerned with the consoles, the games available there and what happens directly between them.
Heh.
ugh_the_boot
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Has there been any big/AAA games that have remained exclusive to xbone? The only one I can think of (i don't own the console) is Sunset Overdrive.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Microsoft slowly exiting the console business. Sad day for xbox fanatics
Give War A Chance
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I don't know that I agree that it's "good" or "bad" for Xbox owners. It just is.
rob305
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If you own a gaming PC then you are correct. However, there's a lot of people like myself who simply don't want to have a gaming PC. I don't want any PC at all other than my laptop. I could build a hell of a machine if I wanted to but I simply dont want a bulky loud machine next to my TV and having to deal with drivers, crashes, patches and unoptimized games.
I don't think they're admitting defeat..
I've owned 7 Windows mobile devices spanning from HTC S730 to Lumia 930. I jumped ship to iPhone 6S just before the release of Lumia 950. My current faith in the platform is nonexistent and I'm now fully integrated in the Apple ecosystem (Mac, iPhone and Watch).
If Microsoft were to release a Surface Phone it probably wouldn't be released in my Tier 2 country either.
Halo 5
Shin-Ra
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Because Xbox goes from being the only priority platform to one of several. Less chance unique features are exploited if they can't be shared across all platforms.
You've already lost the console perk of every player having a guaranteed similar level of competitive performance. Microsoft can say PC players are fine not owning physical copies of their games, drop the optical drive and make everything download only.
Your thinking of high end gaming machines. You can build a PC that still out performs consoles for around 450-500$ which is just a little bit more than the consoles now. Its not as big of a price gap as you think.
care to back that up?
For xbone level of performance, you can get one of those AlienWare boxes
A start and an end, you might see the odd small game on Steam but never the big hitters. MS is trying to forge their own path in PC gaming not just hand it all over to Steam ...
Dunno why some people even expect it tbh.
As you can clearly see in this thread...gamers have a specific need for companies to do exactly what they want them to do.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883272109&ignorebbr=1
Thats just a pre-built example. If you buy the parts separately and build yourself it will be even cheaper.
ugh_the_boot
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Wow do you have to an Xbox Gold member to take advantage of games that use the 'cloud'? If so this could be a huge rort as I really think this whole cloud gaming thing is bullshit, how can you possibly send data that the console can't handle on it's own over an internet connection?
And the games will run with the same graphic fidelity and framerate? Because as I recall, getting comparable specs on a PC =/= same gameplay/graphical experience for console.
I think you can spin this however you like. Bottomline is that the Xbox brand loses strengh when majority, if not all of its big exclusives going forward are also offered on PC. That in and of itself will hurt those hooked in the Xbox ecosystem, not Windows, but Xbox (console only) ecosystem down the line. My guess is as soon as 2 years.
If the Xbox One were to be competing with a steam machine perhaps it's no big deal but it's competing with the PS4 and soon NX. You know marketing, and you know mind share....powerful drivers of sales. The stigma that Xbox doesn't have true exclusives will propagate and competitors will make sure to take advantage of the fact - it's after all, a differentiating factor. I mean it was 2 years ago wasn't it? Correct...
Does this change of approach by MS make someone's Xbox One stop from working? I don't think that needs to be stated. Obviously not. But for those whose only reason for keeping an Xbox One was one or two exclusives within a year have little reason to keep one vs. say a PS4 if he so happens to have a gaming PC. Obviously that market is only but a share, perhaps small, of the total Xbox One market. However, you start losing that share, you start losing folks that see the PS4 as a stronger brand due to perceived weakness in the Xbox brand, on top of existing advantages the PS4 has......it only reinforces one thing, Xbox's slowly but sure decline in adoption. MS will not lose third party support overnight, at the very least for this gen. That's at least the biggest sign of relief for those owning an Xbox One now. It will lose indies and some Japanese games, but they were losing them already soo...
If the Xbox One were to be competing with a steam machine perhaps it's no big deal but it's competing with the PS4 and soon NX. You know marketing, and you know mind share....powerful drivers of sales. The stigma that Xbox doesn't have true exclusives will propagate and competitors will make sure to take advantage of the fact - it's after all, a differentiating factor. I mean it was 2 years ago wasn't it? Correct...
Does this change of approach by MS make someone's Xbox One stop from working? I don't think that needs to be stated. Obviously not. But for those whose only reason for keeping an Xbox One was one or two exclusives within a year have little reason to keep one vs. say a PS4 if he so happens to have a gaming PC. Obviously that market is only but a share, perhaps small, of the total Xbox One market. However, you start losing that share, you start losing folks that see the PS4 as a stronger brand due to perceived weakness in the Xbox brand, on top of existing advantages the PS4 has......it only reinforces one thing, Xbox's slowly but sure decline in adoption. MS will not lose third party support overnight, at the very least for this gen. That's at least the biggest sign of relief for those owning an Xbox One now. It will lose indies and some Japanese games, but they were losing them already soo...
Well these games are coming to PC, and will be optimized as such.....so yea
That thing only has 4 GB of ram, that's too low to run many recent games at all.
Feel_The_Pain
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Wow the hate is strong here.
So Microsoft sells a game on both platforms, and the profits go to.........
So Microsoft sells a game on both platforms, and the profits go to.........
pr0cs
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The machine you linked wouldn't run the same games that consoles would even remotely as well.
There is no need to dispute that a pc is going to cost significantly more than a console, though it should since it's capable of doing so much more
Mix Master
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As a longtime Xbox fan the reason why this is upsetting is the xbox is already in 2nd place, So giving consumers a reason not to buy your console is pretty misaligned. PC+PS4 is the most convient way to go for many people.
are we talking about Microsoft's bottom line in this thread?
And a happy day for Playstation fanatics!
They want all the console business for them. Competition is not allowed and with that the game business is bad. Even Halo must be on its platform! HAHAHAHAHA
Unless you own stock, why does it matter what position it's in? It's a machine, who cares what spot it's in. If you don't like messing with drivers and shit, it's still the place to play some games you can't get on another one
Feel_The_Pain
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Idk what the hell is being discussed here.
it's pretty clear just from the title of the thread.
"Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners"
not
"Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Microsoft"
LlamaJohnson
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I think this is true, but not necessarily a bad thing, nor as bad as it sounds. What if, going with the connectivity across all devices thing MS is trying to accomplish, this is the last official "Xbox" MS releases? Perhaps in the next generation, MS decides to maybe keep the Xbox brand, but makes it something like a steam machine? All games available on this new box as well as a PC....you can spend all you want to build your PC, or you can get (hopefully) solid performance right out of the box on your couch. All Xbox exclusives would be MS exclusives. We Xbox owners who have never been able to purchase PC games would now have at least a limited access to the vast PC library.
I don't own a PC, I have no idea how any of the different PC stores work (like Steam or the EA store or any of that) so this may be completely wrong. To me though, it just makes sense as a business not to divide the two markets like they are doing now. Give people the choice of a simplified gaming machine or detailed gaming PC.
PC = Windows
Windows Games = Xbox Games (well, the xbox branded ones)
Xbox Games = Xbox Brand
Xbox = Microsoft
THE CONSOLE ISN'T THE END ALL BE ALL.
Their consumers aren't just Xbox console owners, it's people on Xbox Live (which, if you are gaming on a Xbox Branded Windows 10 Store game, you are using XBL). It's not about the damn device. Get over it. There's no longer a Xbox One vs. PS4 vs. WiiU. Xbox = Windows Gaming. Your Xbox One is a Windows device. Your PC is a Windows device. They are all the same thing in MS eyes. They aren't getting rid of Xbox console just because people game on PC. It's not going anywhere. They still need and want a presence in front of the TV. Stop thinking that the console wars is still console wars. It's over, finished. It's ecosystem wars. LET THE LISTS BEGIN. LOL!