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[Black Mantis]

I'm fascinated in how he never argued against MS going from late PC ports in Gears of War to no PC ports for Gears 2, 3, and judgment.
It also does not square with his argument that "exclusivity" would help Rise of the tomb raider.
About the only logical consistency Kuchera seems to have is a water carrier for MS decisions leavened with "history starts today" in order to allow for pro spinning of any MS decision.

But what's negative about this? Less X1's sold? It's well known that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo make little profit from hardware, with software making the bulk of their income. Stands to reason to give your IP the best chance of generating cash if you have the means to do so.

From a consumer perspective, the only bone of contention is you won't have the best looking version, but you still have a choice if you have the cash and desire to get it if it concerns you that much.

 

[twdnewh_k]

Fantastic news. I understand some of the counter arguments, but I feel overall its great for most people.

 

[Widge]

But what's negative about this? Less X1's sold? It's well known that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo make little profit from hardware, with software making the bulk of their income. Stands to reason to give your IP the best chance of generating cash if you have the means to do so.

From a consumer perspective, the only bone of contention is you won't have the best looking version, but you still have a choice if you have the cash and desire to get it if it concerns you that much.

Yes, but they want that hardware sold nonetheless as they cream in off every piece of software sold outside of their own. If you feel that your platform holder will not invest in the platform, you will look towards the ones that do - Sony and Nintendo. And are Microsoft thinking that entering battle with Valve is the better option here?

Very much a Vita situation here. Would you invest in that since Sony have shown they are not going to support it? It's not like Microsoft can claim third party support bragging rights either.

Owning a PC, I'd never get an Xbox now. If I went pure console, there would be massive question marks over their commitment to the platform to go with them either.

 

[ekim]

On February 11, Cross-Buy and Cross-Save support was announced for Quantum Break, the upcoming shooter from Max Payne and Alan Wake developer Remedy Entertainment, which is published by Microsoft. Spencer was asked on Twitter if he expects to see third-party games support these features too.

"We'll make it a platform feature," he replied. "We think it's good for gamers."

Nice!

 

[Bastables]

But what's negative about this? Less X1's sold? It's well known that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo make little profit from hardware, with software making the bulk of their income. Stands to reason to give your IP the best chance of generating cash if you have the means to do so.

From a consumer perspective, the only bone of contention is you won't have the best looking version, but you still have a choice if you have the cash and desire to get it if it concerns you that much.

What do you mean what's negative when discussing a corporate ball washer Ben "consumers are farts in the wind" Kuchera? This guy never took a stand against exclusivity when MS was fine with it, hell in the Rise situation he fabulated best case scenarios for exclusivity.

 

[a.wd]

I don't get why people are unhappy if you own a gaming PC and an XB1 then you own 2 MS platforms.

If you own a gaming PC and a PS4 then you own 1 MS platform.

You get a different experience using the XB1, than you do with a PC. TV pass through, snapping apps, backwards compatibility.

You get a modular gaming experience on PC depending on how powerful your PC is.

I have all of the consoles and the XB1 is the most used in my house because of all the things it can do, and that experience is very different from gaming on PC.

Now I know I am not some fringe case, the majority of families in the UK do not have a PC attached to their TV. This means that for the vast majority of people gaming with a console is going to be very different to gaming on their PC.

This is good news as more games get sold, and that means more games get made. That's good, right?

 

[chromatic9]

This would be the case if it wern't competeing with a system that has a plethora of exclusives on the horizon. It isn't a case of Xbox One or PC, to the general consumer its PS4 or Xbox One, both of which have the third party games they want. It isn't just about third party games though its the overall library as a whole and whats more appealing, lots and lots of games that are only on the platform or a handful of games that are also on PC? Even if you don't have a gaming PC the value is lost on Xbox One's exclusives, its not that there's no reason to buy one its that the PS4 looks more appealing as thats the only place you can play those games.

A second place console should be trying to compete with high quality software, instead its not competeing at all. Price is the same, hardwares pretty much the same, they're pretty much the same black box. Best port away all our exclusives then, thats bound to cause Xbox One sales to skyrocket.

Its great for PC gamers, the more games the better. Its bad for Xbox as a brand.

It isn't about PC or Console, its about console or console.

You acknowledge for most people it's either XBO or PS4 but then go on about losing games to PC. Your average consumer won't even know about QB heading to PC and won't even care or understand if they do read or hear about it. QB is not going to PS4. A console gamer who wants to play QB has to get an Xbox One, it's still a console exclusive.

These games going to PC will help MS have more console exclusives in the future if that's what you want, ie more games that don't appear on PS4.

The funny about this is XBO has a ton of bigger budget exclusive games, PS4 hasn't had many yet still leads. All these console exclusives haven't helped XBO.
Titanfall
Crackdown
Dead Rising
Ryse
Killer Instinct
Cuphead
Fable
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza Horizon 2
Gear of War 4
Halo 5
Sunset Overdrive
Scalebound

Was just listening to some of these guys on a podcast and they want MS to secure even more exclusives and even message Xbox employees.

 

[pitchfork]

Do y'all think Microsoft would be doing this if Xbox One had strong sales? I think Microsoft is looking to maximize its return on investment from their 1st party games. The Xbox One hasn't sold as well as they hoped because they screwed up the launch. People who invested day 1 in an Xbox One now feel betrayed since they spent $500 on a console plus the $60/yr gold subscription. If they had known Microsoft would eventually go this route, they could've spent that money on building a high-end PC. Putting your exclusives on PC does devalue the Xbox One platform. I don't understand arguments saying that this is great for Xbox One gamers - it's not. It's a signal that the Xbox One isn't doing that well.

I think Phil Spencer has made it pretty clear that the success of the Xbox brand and continued support from MS, is significantly dependant on the success of Win10 as a gaming platform going forward. This focus and strategy is effectively what's keeping Xbox going and keeping the money coming in to support new games, future hardware (console).

So, yeah, its great for Xbox One owners!

 

[Widge]

I don't get why people are unhappy if you own a gaming PC and an XB1 then you own 2 MS platforms.

I don't really see this. Bringing their games to PC isn't going to cause a sudden WinOS sales spike. All my games go via Valve, so it's really them making the cash and not Microsoft. They've gone from a pitched battle against Sony and Nintendo into one with Valve instead.

Look at how the PS3 turned it around from a losing position. Every E3, new titles, unique titles, way beyond any core IP. Support support support. Microsoft ran with "here are our new entries to our three main IPs and look at the third party stuff that is great".

You could even argue that Sony have stepped off the gas a little with the PS4 compared to what they were offering purely to PS3.

 

[LukasTaves]

Do y'all think Microsoft would be doing this if Xbox One had strong sales? I think Microsoft is looking to maximize its return on investment from their 1st party games. The Xbox One hasn't sold as well as they hoped because they screwed up the launch. People who invested day 1 in an Xbox One now feel betrayed since they spent $500 on a console plus the $60/yr gold subscription. If they had known Microsoft would eventually go this route, they could've spent that money on building a high-end PC. Putting your exclusives on PC does devalue the Xbox One platform. I don't understand arguments saying that this is great for Xbox One gamers - it's not. It's a signal that the Xbox One isn't doing that well.

You'd have a point if Ms was just releasing their games on Pc (meaning every pc store), which they aren't. They are making said games available on their own store, that ties with the same account you use on xbone.

It will be great for xbone users if that store succeeds because then the ecosystem wouldn't be just the console or the store, it would be both. Which in turn means more game sales and more support.

The reason they are doing this now is because that's the direction Ms is going as a company. They are making all their products and services available in a device agnostic way even if it means launching on a competitors' platform.

The goal ms is headed is pretty clear now, they want their ecosystem to always be with you, whether you are changing between devices or your device is changing with you (hybrid tablets, phones that can be docked and become more of a desktop and so on).

This is also great for xboners because finally ms can give gaming a single push and it will benefit both pc and console gamers. They no longer have to divide their resources.

 

[SpideySenses]

I think Phil Spencer has made it pretty clear that the success of the Xbox brand and continued support from MS, is significantly dependant on the success of Win10 as a gaming platform going forward. This focus and strategy is effectively what's keeping Xbox going and keeping the money coming in to support new games, future hardware (console).

So, yeah, its great for Xbox One owners!

Xbox One has sold exceptionally well though, outpacing 360 sales in these first few years, it's success shouldn't realistically be dependent on the PC side. I'm sure they'll push that narrative going forward though.

 

[Relique]

I could see this coming from a mile away. I don't see why this move would surprise anyone especially after they upgraded everyone to Windows 10 for free. The install base is huge and is only getting bigger, and Microsoft wants to cash in on the app purchases just like Apple and Google have. I expect this to be a trend going forward with all their games releasing on both platforms. Their store has had a shaky start and crappy support, but if they get their shit together it could become a pretty big cash cow for them.

I think they value the success of Windows 10 app store a lot more than the success of the Xbone. If it succeeds I expect the next Xbox to be a medium specced PC running full fledged Windows 10 with DirectX. It will probably just use the same appstore as PC with all games compatible with both and will likely work with steam titles as well. This way they will guarantee support for their box as most PC titles will more or less run on the Xbox, and their "exclusive" windows store titles will just be well optimised it.

I actually think this can put a hurting on Sony or any other console manufacturers. One big problem for steambox type devices is that the Windows license is just too damn expensive. You have to add 100 some dollars on top of the cost of the hardware and then go ahead and develop some sort of UI on top of that, this puts those boxes out of the price range of a console so they fail. Valve thought they could get around that with their own OS but it is a difficult task to get studios to develop for it. Microsoft doesn't have to worry about this and can pretty much just make a backwards compatible PC with competitive pricing and their own established app store. Next gen will be interesting for sure.

 

[Zeta Oni]

Xbox One has sold exceptionally well though, outpacing 360 sales in these first few years, it's success realistically shouldn't be dependent on the PC side. I'm sure they'll push that narrative going forward though.

At least it's a step above the several posters making comparasions to the Vita, of all things.

The Vita.

Proud owner here, but nah, not even close.

 

[patapuf]

Xbox One has sold exceptionally well though, outpacing 360 sales in these first few years, it's success shouldn't realistically be dependent on the PC side. I'm sure they'll push that narrative going forward though.

The salescurve of the 360 is wierd though. I really doubt the xbox one will emulate the second half of the 360's life.

 

[Doffen]

The funny about this is XBO has a ton of bigger budget exclusive games, PS4 hasn't had many yet still leads. All these console exclusives haven't helped XBO.

The only logical move to do is not having any exclusives. Because when you've tried having lot's of exclusives and that didn't work, clearly the opposite must work.

Also maybe stop promoting the console in US/UK.

 

[fritolay]

Why buy a xbox and pay for xbox live gold if a can buy a PC and get better graphics, free online and cheaper games?

Price for some, and for others a preference in PC vs console. Yes I know you can use a PC with controller on the big screen, but many do not.

 

[jdmonmou]

This focus and strategy is effectively what's keeping Xbox going and keeping the money coming in to support new games, future hardware (console).

So, yeah, its great for Xbox One owners!

If going multi-platform means MS gets money to create more games, then I'm OK with that. But doesn't that mean that Xbox One isn't doing well as a platform if they don't think they can make profit by just releasing on Xbox One? Why didn't they do this with the 360?

The reason they are doing this now is because that's the direction Ms is going as a company. They are making all their products and services available in a device agnostic way even if it means launching on a competitors' platform.

The goal ms is headed is pretty clear now, they want their ecosystem to always be with you, whether you are changing between devices or your device is changing with you (hybrid tablets, phones that can be docked and become more of a desktop and so on).

I understand that Microsoft creates and makes money off of Windows 10, but how does this move add value to the Xbox One? The cross-buy / cross-save feature offers no real value. The use cases are very limited for playing Quantum Break across both PC and Xbox One. Exclusives sell consoles and I thought Microsoft was committed to improving the Xbox One brand. That's the main reason why people buy all the consoles - for the exclusive games. If Microsoft releases all their exclusives day 1 on PC, then why buy an Xbox One? All you need to do is buy a PC with Windows 10 and a PS4 and call it a day.

 

[chromatic9]

Xbox One has sold exceptionally well though, outpacing 360 sales in these first few years, it's success shouldn't realistically be dependent on the PC side. I'm sure they'll push that narrative going forward though.

How does it do if you compare
Xbox 360 Jan 2006 to Jan 2008
Xbox One Jan 2014 to Jan 2016

 

[SpideySenses]

How does it do if you compare
Xbox 360 Jan 2006 to Jan 2008
Xbox One Jan 2014 to Jan 2016

Hard to take into account specific months but Xbox One is at 19 million now (according to the EA financial call), Xbox 360 was at 10.9 worldwide on December 31st 2007.

 

[leeh]

You're missing the point. The games aren't lost, but some feel the value of the console is diminished. Not everyone of course, but some. I can understand why they feel that way. Also consider that the PC seems to getting some PS4 console exclusives as well.

I don't feel that way, and its ridiculous that anyone does. I still play the game which I had the value for, its not being taken away from me.

 

[kinoki]

I think the PS4 has shown that console can exist just fine side by side PC. I think the indies have benefitted greatly by coexisting and even allowing cross platform play. Sony doesn't have a stake in PC-gaming and every 3rd party developer are free to do as they like. That Helldivers and Everbody's Gone to the Rapture are releasing on PC feels natural because of their respective developer.

The major reason that this meets such backlash from the diehard community is because Microsoft has a tradition of actively ignoring the PC and their fans on the platform often doing them great disservices (GFWL). That they should turn around now and try to do nice things are met with such conflicted emotions. Like that of an abused spouse. They don't know how to react.

This is all-around good for the industry.

I don't feel that way, and its ridiculous that anyone does. I still play the game which I had the value for, its not being taken away from me.

Don't ever change. It's nice to have a compass. You're always on the wrong side of reason and compassion. It's nice to know I disagree with every single point you raise. It's comforting. Keep on fighting the good fight.

 

[leeh]

Don't ever change. It's nice to have a compass. You're always on the wrong side of reason and compassion. It's nice to know I disagree with every single point you raise. It's comforting. Keep on fighting the good fight.

At least I gave a point to disagree with rather than a fluffy statement which adds nothing to the topic of discussion.

 

[kruis]

Do y'all think Microsoft would be doing this if Xbox One had strong sales? I think Microsoft is looking to maximize its return on investment from their 1st party games. The Xbox One hasn't sold as well as they hoped because they screwed up the launch. People who invested day 1 in an Xbox One now feel betrayed since they spent $500 on a console plus the $60/yr gold subscription. If they had known Microsoft would eventually go this route, they could've spent that money on building a high-end PC. Putting your exclusives on PC does devalue the Xbox One platform. I don't understand arguments saying that this is great for Xbox One gamers - it's not. It's a signal that the Xbox One isn't doing that well.

Ultimately MS is far more concerned about the future of Windows than Xbox. Since Valve is trying to make Linux/SteamOS a viable alternative, it makes sense to put more effort into making Windows the best platform for gamers. Plus it could pave the way for "Xbox" as a PC games platform that directly competes with Steam. MS wouldn't make hardware consoles anymore, but they'd remain involved as a games publisher and
platform owner, just like Valve.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

It's a weird thing. I bought an Xbox at the first price drop (6 month in?) because I waited until around 2012 to buy a 360 and really regretted missing some of the Xbox 360 exclusives. Since I've had my Xbox One, I've only played the MCC, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2 and KI. Everything else I've wanted came to PC. I'm ok with that, but it makes my Xbox One almost completely useless. I guess I'd just like a bit more justification for owning one even though I'm happy to play better versions of these games on PC, yeah weird.

Why would you miss exclusives if you bought the console later in its life lol? They become unplayable? Or is it because the quality of a game drops once a timed exclusivity deal is up?

 

[watdaeff4]

Don't ever change. It's nice to have a compass. You're always on the wrong side of reason and compassion. It's nice to know I disagree with every single point you raise. It's comforting. Keep on fighting the good fight.

LOL, who is "fighting the good fight?" All he said he's not upset by the announcement.

I agree with him.

I own an Xbox One. I don't see any downside to this announcement. I will continue to play my XB1 without feeling anything negative because people who have a PC can also play the games.

On the flip side when I play SFV on my PS4 come Tuesday, I'm not going to moan and groan that PC players will be playing it then also.

It's almost like you (and others) want XB1 owners to be pissed about this. Weird.

 

[kinoki]

At least I gave a point to disagree with rather than a fluffy statement which adds nothing to the topic of discussion.

I must apologise I'm not used to agreeing with you. Now I'm conflicted. Nothing of value is lost. My mistake. I must be confused. I blame my pounding headache. I'll go ly down.

 

[Black Mantis]

What do you mean what's negative when discussing a corporate ball washer Ben "consumers are farts in the wind" Kuchera? This guy never took a stand against exclusivity when MS was fine with it, hell in the Rise situation he fabulated best case scenarios for exclusivity.

I haven't read many of his articles, so don't know much about him to comment on his stances, so I'm only talking about this particular situation, which I happen to agree with.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Xbox One has sold exceptionally well though, outpacing 360 sales in these first few years, it's success shouldn't realistically be dependent on the PC side. I'm sure they'll push that narrative going forward though.

Raw number wise it might be doing better but it's lost a ton of market share gained by the xbox360 in just about every single market, and whereas the xbox360 gained momentum, the xbone is losing that battle.

This move with Quantum Break seemed more like a lack of confidence that it will sell well on xbone alone and it might have a negative effect on third party publishers willing to risk exclusive titles/content on the xbone alone. The console game is about platform royalty, at the end of the day ms doesn't own the pc platform, they don't own steam, the move dilutes the Xbox brand.

 

[leeh]

I must apologise I'm not used to agreeing with you. Now I'm conflicted. Nothing of value is lost. My mistake. I must be confused. I blame my pounding headache. I'll go ly down.

<3

I did wonder when your posts carried a similar message to mine.

 

[chromatic9]

Hard to take into account specific months but Xbox One is at 19 million now (according to the EA financial call), Xbox 360 was at 10.9 worldwide on December 31st 2007.

That 10.9 figure is wrong or the date, do you mean end of 2006? In Jan 2008 MS announced they had 17.7 million.

Just doing some quick searching

17.7 minus 1.5 that was said to be sold in 2005
18 million minus the around 3+ million said to be sold and maybe 3.9 shipped

360 is 16.2 million Jan to Jan
XBO is 15 million Jan to Jan

Wouldn't call it outpacing. If we include the launches, they're extremely close, not something I'd say is clearly outpacing, technically by a fraction yes. XBO is going to have to go some to keep inline with 360. Rest of 2008 was huge for 360 worldwide. they even had a 300 million ad campaign across Europe which gave a boost outside the US.

I'm expecting some big price drops

 

[Black Mantis]

Yes, but they want that hardware sold nonetheless as they cream in off every piece of software sold outside of their own. If you feel that your platform holder will not invest in the platform, you will look towards the ones that do - Sony and Nintendo. And are Microsoft thinking that entering battle with Valve is the better option here?

Very much a Vita situation here. Would you invest in that since Sony have shown they are not going to support it? It's not like Microsoft can claim third party support bragging rights either.

Owning a PC, I'd never get an Xbox now. If I went pure console, there would be massive question marks over their commitment to the platform to go with them either.

It's not a Vita situation if they're releasing games for it though? Sony gave up releasing 1st party titles on it, Microsoft hasn't done that to the Xbox One and the software is still selling on it. Might not be selling as well as they want, but still making a profit.

 

[ethomaz]

Hard to take into account specific months but Xbox One is at 19 million now (according to the EA financial call), Xbox 360 was at 10.9 worldwide on December 31st 2007.

Where did you get 10.9m? lol

360 was at 17.7m at end of 2007... the difference is about 2m with 360 catching fast.

Won't be surprise at end of 2008/2016 the 360 tracking ahead Xbone.

US alone won't hold the lack of sales in EU compared with 360.

 

[notaskwid]

You acknowledge for most people it's either XBO or PS4 but then go on about losing games to PC. Your average consumer won't even know about QB heading to PC and won't even care or understand if they do read or hear about it. QB is not going to PS4. A console gamer who wants to play QB has to get an Xbox One, it's still a console exclusive.

These games going to PC will help MS have more console exclusives in the future if that's what you want, ie more games that don't appear on PS4.

The funny about this is XBO has a ton of bigger budget exclusive games, PS4 hasn't had many yet still leads. All these console exclusives haven't helped XBO.
Titanfall
Crackdown
Dead Rising
Ryse
Killer Instinct
Cuphead
Fable
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza Horizon 2
Gear of War 4
Halo 5
Sunset Overdrive
Scalebound

Was just listening to some of these guys on a podcast and they want MS to secure even more exclusives and even message Xbox employees.

Xbox has a ton more big budget console exclusive games than the PS4 and you proceed to list a bunch of games that are not even out yet? I could make twice as big list with big budget games that are released and will be released in the next two years as console exclusives to Playstation.

 

[therealbigrich]

I think it comes down to does the PC compete with X1 when talking about it being good for Xbox owners. I don't think they really do tbh when I think about it I cant think of a 300 PC people can buy that can run QB . I know you can build one but a lot of consumers I don't feel want to do that. So all the doom and gloom about Xbox but I wonder If Phil just really believes they are for different consumers

 

[Black Mantis]

Do y'all think Microsoft would be doing this if Xbox One had strong sales? I think Microsoft is looking to maximize its return on investment from their 1st party games. The Xbox One hasn't sold as well as they hoped because they screwed up the launch. People who invested day 1 in an Xbox One now feel betrayed since they spent $500 on a console plus the $60/yr gold subscription. If they had known Microsoft would eventually go this route, they could've spent that money on building a high-end PC. Putting your exclusives on PC does devalue the Xbox One platform. I don't understand arguments saying that this is great for Xbox One gamers - it's not. It's a signal that the Xbox One isn't doing that well.

I think there's a case that Microsoft may not have been as keen if they were the market leader, but let's not forget that pc gamers were asking for Microsoft to do this since last gen, so it could just be a case of them listening to their customers too. It ties into this one eco-system they've been banging on about for awhile now.

I invested day one and in no way feel betrayed or that my purchase has been devalued, I still get to play the games I want, free games with Gold, so if this helps them succeed and bring more games, I see it as a good thing. I just don't care enough about the advantages gaming on pc brings to justify the extra cost, plus the Xbox One is still best place to get access for all Microsoft exclusives.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Microsoft should go for this, they do after all have a horse in the PC race(and if I get to play rare replay, even better).

 

[wapplew]

I think it comes down to does the PC compete with X1 when talking about it being good for Xbox owners. I don't think they really do tbh when I think about it I cant think of a 300 PC people can buy that can run QB . I know you can build one but a lot of consumers I don't feel want to do that. So all the doom and gloom about Xbox but I wonder If Phil just really believes they are for different consumers

It's not about PC compete with X1, it's about X1 compete with PS4 or NX. Why choose X1 over NX or PS4 when you can only get true exclusive on PS4 or NX?

 

[chromatic9]

Xbox has a ton more big budget console exclusive games than the PS4 and you proceed to list a bunch of games that are not even out yet? I could make twice as big list with big budget games that are released and will be released in the next two years as console exclusives to Playstation.

I'm sure you can. It wasn't a definitive list or some list war thing, bit of a broad list of what has been, what is now and what is coming.

Can you do a list for 2015? I'm thinking how MS packed in quite a lot in 2015 put it didn't really do much. I'm with you on PS4, going forward I'm sure it has lots coming and it could make the gap bigger.

 

[nekkid]

It's not about PC compete with X1, it's about X1 compete with PS4 or NX. Why choose X1 over NX or PS4 when you can only get true exclusive on PS4 or NX?

That only makes sense if you already own a capable PC.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I'm certainly not complaining because while MS keep doing this, it means I can enjoy a lot of these games on PC and not have to hand over £299 to buy an XB1.

 

[SpideySenses]

My bad when it comes to those sales numbers, read a page with contradictory numbers and believed the wrong ones. 360 hit 19 million in April 2007, so yeah, it's quite a slim lead.

 

[Kezen]

That only makes sense if you already own a capable PC.

Which is not an investment your typical console gamer is willing to make, hence why some exclusives going to PC are not a blow to the Xbox One at all.
I'm saying "some" because that only applies to games not pushing Live subs. I can see why Microsoft would not bring Halo 5 on PC because of the very heavy MP focus.

Quantum Break from what I can tell is a pure SP game.

 

[Helznicht]

This move with Quantum Break seemed more like a lack of confidence that it will sell well on xbone alone and it might have a negative effect on third party publishers willing to risk exclusive titles/content on the xbone alone. The console game is about platform royalty, at the end of the day ms doesn't own the pc platform, they don't own steam, the move dilutes the Xbox brand.

MS will use this to drive 3rd parties to put their games on the MS store.

How? games will keep a higher premium there.
Why? Because cross-buy, you get both PC and Xbox versions for one price.
How does this help MS? They sold a 3rd party console game, they get royalties, but 3rd parties will still get more $ compared to the PC counterpart sold on Steam (with a lower price and steam royalties).

This is great for me as I now have a choice, buy PC game cheap on steam (or other key service) or If I want it on Xbox also, pay a bit more and get from MS store. I like this future.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm sure you can. It wasn't a definitive list or some list war thing, bit of a broad list of what has been, what is now and what is coming.

Can you do a list for 2015? I'm thinking how MS packed in quite a lot in 2015 put it didn't really do much. I'm with you on PS4, going forward I'm sure it has lots coming and it could make the gap bigger.

The PS4 and Xbone AAA exclusive is like equal with one or two titles difference.

Of course counting games on PC too... if you remove PC games them PS4 have a good lead.

 

[wapplew]

MS will use this to drive 3rd parties to put their games on the MS store.

How? games will keep a higher premium there.
Why? Because cross-buy, you get both PC and Xbox versions for one price.
How does this help MS? They sold a 3rd party console game, they get royalties, but 3rd parties will still get more $ compared to the PC counterpart sold on Steam (with a lower price and steam royalties).

This is great for me as I now have a choice, buy PC game cheap on steam (or other key service) or If I want it on Xbox also, pay a bit more and get from MS store. I like this future.

Why third party want to put thier games on MS store? EA have origin, Ubi have Uplay, they give zero royalty to MS.

 

[therealbigrich]

It's not about PC compete with X1, it's about X1 compete with PS4 or NX. Why choose X1 over NX or PS4 when you can only get true exclusive on PS4 or NX?

With that question I feel like people still get the games as long as they don't have a PC true exclusive or console exclusive . If you do then I cant disagree with the idea that why not just play on PC instead of X1(even though not every exclusive game is released from X1 to PC yet)

I just don't know many people that have a gaming PC and I'm interested in one and have the means just doesn't seem worth it at this point..

 

[notaskwid]

I'm sure you can. It wasn't a definitive list or some list war thing, bit of a broad list of what has been, what is now and what is coming.

Can you do a list for 2015? I'm thinking how MS packed in quite a lot in 2015 put it didn't really do much. I'm with you on PS4, going forward I'm sure it has lots coming and it could make the gap bigger.

If only AAA, for 2015 Sony had:
Bloodborne
Until Dawn
The Order 1886

Microsoft had:
Halo 5
Forza 6

Those are the only pure exclusives that are not either ports or remakes and couldn't be played anywhere else. IIRC

 

[Night Angel]

I'm happy about this because it means I can play the games in 1080p, 60fps. I do regret buying an Xbox at this point, but that's mostly because of Halo's various shortcomings.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I'm sure you can. It wasn't a definitive list or some list war thing, bit of a broad list of what has been, what is now and what is coming.

Can you do a list for 2015? I'm thinking how MS packed in quite a lot in 2015 put it didn't really do much. I'm with you on PS4, going forward I'm sure it has lots coming and it could make the gap bigger.

Xbox had 2 new exclusive retail games last year. Not exactly that special.

If only AAA, for 2015 Sony had:
Bloodborne
Until Dawn

Microsoft had:
Halo 5
Forza 6

Those are the only pure exclusives that are not either ports or remakes and couldn't be played anywhere else. IIRC

You forgot The Order 1886. Yes it counts.

 

[The Jackdog]

If only AAA, for 2015 Sony had:
Bloodborne
Until Dawn

Microsoft had:
Halo 5
Forza 6

Those are the only pure exclusives that are not either ports or remakes and couldn't be played anywhere else. IIRC

Gears