Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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Caayn
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Just because you're too lazy to take a look doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.
Asus has the Transformer Book line tables with Win 10, Samsung has a TabPro line with Win10, HP has a line, Toshiba has a line, etc, etc.
I think that's an extremely naive and overly optimistic outlook
Poodlestrike
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I think that MS' game here is to get Xbox owners to transition to PC gamers on their terms. That's why stuff like the QB preorder crossbuy thing exists; they're looking to transfer their Xbox platform fans into Xbox brand fans, so when they switch over to an HTPC/Steambox sort of setup, they've got a core audience already in place.
Big thing for them to do would be to port the 360 BC emulator to the Windows store, along with the titles for it.
Big thing for them to do would be to port the 360 BC emulator to the Windows store, along with the titles for it.
Rising_Hei
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It doesn't matter how you put it, microsoft doing this not only means that some people might switch, it means that many won't have to buy an XBOX ONE if they were greatly interested in X or Y game
This move is good for the players that don't give a fuck about the XB1 and wanted to miss it, but bad for the Xbox brand, can't really twist this.
And their next console will suffer greatly because this is a move that makes them lose consumer trust, but this is nothing new for MS, with xbox 360 many people didn't feel motivated to get the next one after how Microsoft managed the console post 2009
This move is good for the players that don't give a fuck about the XB1 and wanted to miss it, but bad for the Xbox brand, can't really twist this.
And their next console will suffer greatly because this is a move that makes them lose consumer trust, but this is nothing new for MS, with xbox 360 many people didn't feel motivated to get the next one after how Microsoft managed the console post 2009
ALLseeingEYE
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Because an Xbox one is $350, while a brand new PC is $1000+ (especially if you want visuals that are superior to X1), and exclusives don't always land day and date for PC. Nevermind that the Xbox One is still a great living room machine, has a bunch of other games that haven't arrived or aren't destined to hit PC, and since buying games digitally gives cross-buy for some games now, it makes sense to own both, especially if you have kids.
If people are complaining about a move like this, that really doesn't make any sense. This is a huge plus for gamers all around. If you'd rather game on PC and don't find the X1 worth it, then just game on PC. I love that MS seems to be bringing more games to PC, it's a win for everyone. I wish Sony would do this. How amazing would Horizon and Uncharted look on PC?
Physical xbox one games are still worth buying over digital only pc releases sometimes because the performance gain isn't worth having what you buy completely lose all value as soon as you buy it. Especially when you primarily play pc games from the couch. I bought rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox even though I have 2 gaming rigs lol. It looks damn good on Xbox one. I like having physical copies that aren't just a steam code.
Also a lot of the time the multiplayer base is better on console than pc (blops, battlefront). Best buys gamers club is another reason to go for the console version over the pc version.
If a game on pc absolutely blows the console versions out of the water (witcher 3, fallout, rainbow 6 siege, elite dangerous, etc) then I get it on pc. There are also pc exclusives.
Also a lot of the time the multiplayer base is better on console than pc (blops, battlefront). Best buys gamers club is another reason to go for the console version over the pc version.
If a game on pc absolutely blows the console versions out of the water (witcher 3, fallout, rainbow 6 siege, elite dangerous, etc) then I get it on pc. There are also pc exclusives.
IcyRhythms
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I can't get over some of the rest of you thinking that the people that buy consoles for exclusives only are of the majority. They're not.
In the top ten selling games for XB1 and PS4, both only have one exclusive. The numbers show you that you people make things up to suit your arguement. I stated yesterday that it's not 1998 anymore. There are more gamers than ever before and a good chunk of console only people aren't even buying a console JUST to play games. It's their stream machine, goto Netflix device, and Bluray player.
Except the Xbox brand is now synonymous with Windows 10, so in the big picture Microsoft stands to gain more by broadening the reach of their software and services.
What are you going on about? Because I was talking about the idea that MS releasing their games on PC will somehow spur some sort of new era in productivity for Microsoft Studios.
I mean, Spencer is claiming that the larger user base should result in bigger communities and more sales, enabling them to take more risks. The logic is sound. What remains to be seen is if they execute it well enough to see the benefits of it.
My guess is that MS is going to release a living room windows 10/11 pc for their next Xbox, it will run full blown windows, with a controller that has both dual TouchPads and dual analogs, and can bring up an on screen keyboard similar to the steam controller. They'll also bundle in a keyboard TouchPad combo. There will be an Xbox mode similar to big picture mode that will handle the games and media functionality. $499 msrp launch, with a gpu that can handle 4k 30fps or better. Won't be for at least a couple years.
Maybe...lol
Maybe...lol
Huge Succeeded
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How is it extremely naive? This move will cause more game sales which will cause a greater chance of new IPs on Xbox to turn into series. A console being represented alongside more popular series usually helps the sales of that console.
I mean, I don't know why or how this is wrong in anyway outside of (possibly) some people not wanting to hear it because they feel "betrayed" and/or preferring to think short term rather than long term.
I also don't think it's overly optimistic since there are literally no long term negatives in MS making this move. The majority of console games don't care about PC gaming. The success of the PS4 -- a system being largely supported via games that are on PC too -- shows this pretty clearly.
Phil Spencer's response and points raised here are all valid.
It doesn't change the fact that the Xbox will literally be the poor man's Xbox. "Xbox games" will be better someplace else, while Nintendo and Playstation games will be best on their respective platform.
The market wins. Microsoft wins. "Gamers" win. Xbox fans will have to come up with some *amazing* spins to just not lose any platform debate by default, and Xbox as a platform will be something you settle for. No matter what configuration you buy it in, it'll be the hard drive-less "Arcade" SKU to the PC's superior Xbox experience.
Phil seems like a great guy, and I'm sure everybody in here are great people, but when you claim to not "understand" why someone would be disappointed by this.. I don't think you're being completely honest.
It doesn't change the fact that the Xbox will literally be the poor man's Xbox. "Xbox games" will be better someplace else, while Nintendo and Playstation games will be best on their respective platform.
The market wins. Microsoft wins. "Gamers" win. Xbox fans will have to come up with some *amazing* spins to just not lose any platform debate by default, and Xbox as a platform will be something you settle for. No matter what configuration you buy it in, it'll be the hard drive-less "Arcade" SKU to the PC's superior Xbox experience.
Phil seems like a great guy, and I'm sure everybody in here are great people, but when you claim to not "understand" why someone would be disappointed by this.. I don't think you're being completely honest.
Real_Madrid
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This reply sums it all up.
It's good for everyone (PC gamers and Xbox One gamers) and certainly for Microsoft in the future if the Windows 10 store is anything near good. It also helps for third party exclusive deals because the market share is way bigger with PC gaming involved.
It's not going to hit the hardware site that much, not that many people are going to buy a new PC because the Xbox One exclusives are being ported to PC, especially since most Xbox One gamers are multiplayer focused.
Sony on the other hand, has no incentive to release their first party titles on PC, but that can change fast. PS Now can become a way to play the Uncharted games on PC (and almost every other device).
SmokedMeat
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You don't need to drop $1,000 on a PC to beat an Xbox One. In fact an Alienware Alpha can beat it, and those aren't that much more money.
Personally it makes little sense to own both. It's smarter to compliment your PC with a system whose library offers games you can't already play.
It's optimistic to think that additional PC game sales would give it a big enough boost to foster new game development or additional games in a franchise, that would then result in more people picking up consoles to play these games.
I think the number of people that will buy these games on PC that normally wouldn't have, will be decent but not significant enough to really have an impact at all in terms of potential new games
Real_Madrid
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What? And honestly who really cares about the weirdo platform debates?
And just because somewhere else you get a higher resolution and framerate and whatnot, doesn't make it a poor man's experience. For most hardcore Halo players the controller experience will be better, than the MK experience, for example.
And I don't understand why someone is disappointing by this. Literally everyone wins (xbox one owners, PC gamers and Microsoft), so why care about a game that is available somewhere else.
dgrdsv
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The last Surface is as much of a tablet as any laptop is a tablet thus I don't really consider it a Win10 tablet. As for the rest of your post - feel free to believe what you want but I still think that the whole "one OS for all devices" idea won't materialize nearly as much as MS are telling us.
Did you actually check your own link? Beside the Surface and two tablets from HP and Toshiba the rest of Win10 devices there are just laptops with funky display mechanisms.
Transformer Book isn't a tablet. HP and Toshiba each has one, ok. That's three tablets on Win10 half a year after its launch two of which are 12" in size and as such are closer to laptops than tablets.
Anyone engaged in a platform debate is already a loser, because you've missed the point that it's all about the games. The only people who take it beyond that are console warrior trolls, and they simply don't matter.
People like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft because of the games they bring to the table. If you like Xbox games then you get more ways to play them than ever before and that's only a good thing for Xbox fans.
I see half the page with tablets with attachable keyboards and half with laptops. It's like you're missing the whole idea behind Microsoft's Surface was that they created the "tablet that can replace your laptop," and other manufacturers followed suite. The whole idea behind it were the options it provided to be more productive.
I don't think the PS4 not being the best place to play multiplats (i.e.: PC) hurts it in anyway. If console gamers greatly cared about "the best (most powerful) place to play games" then they wouldn't be console gamers in the first place.
The PS4 being the most powerful console is helping its sales. This move from MS isn't going to change the fact that Xbox will still be the most powerful console to play Windows games (as it will be the only console to do so -- therefore causing that to be true by default).
I don't understand it outside of people who want ammo for console comparisons or a PC gamer recently buying an Xbox to shortly realize that games are coming to PC (thus they didn't need to buy the system in the first place).
I want to see more variety in gaming and more sales will give a greater chance for that happening.
I said in another thread that I would love a sequel to Sunset Overdrive. If the game coming to PC would have made that more possible then I don't see how it would cause me to feel sad if it actually happened -- one of my favorite new IPs this gen would have a better shot at getting a follow up.
Real_Madrid
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Yes, but the Alienware Alpha is a singleplayer only box, that's why I think most Xbox One owners will not care about this. The next Halo will probably come out for Xbox One and PC, how many of the current players are going to leave the TV experience for a MK/desk combo just for a possible higher resolution and framerate? Or Microsoft should make Xbox One controller only servers.
(I still don't understand why multiplayer games don't do this on PC. I would buy Battlefront if it had gamepad only servers, just like GTA V on pc did.)
At bare minimum we are going to see more new IPs on Xbox since they will be less riskier to make due to the games coming to PC too.
There's really nothing that Xbox will lose in its current state from this move after countless examples this gen showing that more Xbox users chose the system due to multiplats (and not exclusives). Either things will stay the same for Xbox or be better. I can't think of a way that this move will cause things to be worse.
I'm not trying to argue that Xbox is losing anything in this, I just don't think additional PC sales are big enough to really make an impact on potential games in a series as some would like to think.
To be sure, I think this has 0 impact on anything
http://www.windowscentral.com/why-xbox-following-nintendo-future-not-sony
This link describes exactly what MS is thinking (LONG TERM). These are just the first steps.
People are so confined to their little boxes that they don't see the big picture. Same reason when I and other gamers said this type of stuff would happen (cross-buy with PC/XBO) and got the no way type of response. Lol.
This link describes exactly what MS is thinking (LONG TERM). These are just the first steps.
People are so confined to their little boxes that they don't see the big picture. Same reason when I and other gamers said this type of stuff would happen (cross-buy with PC/XBO) and got the no way type of response. Lol.
I disagree. I think it will cause an impact -- especially for games that are a bit more niche/lower in budget than the typical AAA titles; I definitely think this move will cause the Xbox brand to have a greater variety of titles that aren't on Nintendo and PlayStation vs. how things are now for Xbox.
This move will definitely help things expand from "Forza/Halo/Gears/Fable". I don't understand how people who want that to happen could be mad at this move.
So you have no idea what defines a tablet. Cool.
1) why the fuck would you care about winning a debate on which console you own?
2) how is buying the Xbox one settling? Not everyone wants to game on a PC. They want the simplicity of a plug and play console with a fixed price.
Here let me repost this:
There are people out there are who completely intimated by buying, building, or using a PC for gaming. Some people just want it to work out of the box or hook up to their living room tv and play and not worry about drivers, settings, required specs, etc.
So the Xbox is for them. They can play the same games on their easy to use PC. Some people need to get out of their echochamber and realize they're enthusiasts and aren't the average gamer.
And nothing is wrong with putting these games on PC since Microsoft makes money from software and they own the windows 10 store (good luck seeing steam versions of these games). The enthusiasts get to play them and tinker with them for maximum fidelity and framerate and the more casual gamer who doesn't want to mess with anything PC gets to play the game as well with a device they are comfortable using.
Yeah lol. A traditional laptop houses its internals in the base, tablets function independently of the base/keyboard. Not that complicated. The HP, Asus, Toshiba, and any other device where you can separate the screen and use it as ... a tablet, is a tablet. It may be a hybrid tablet / laptop, but that doesn't mean "any laptop is a tablet." Lol. Just because a tablet is running Windows 10 doesn't make it a laptop with a funky display mechanism. Now I wouldn't call a 20" all in a one a tablet, because it isn't portable.
dancrane212
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I'm not solely arguing that this will make everything to come out of MS be the most daring releases of all time - I just want those first party releases already in the pipeline to be more than one offs if there is an audience. Alan Wake, between the original release and American Nightmare, was a able to move over 3 million copies by 2013. That is something you would normally consider to pretty successful for a new IP but because of the way it was launched on 360 and then PC made it so those sales happened too late to influence the future of the series.
This may be a terrible comparison but I'll go for it. Imagine if Bayonetta 2 came out on a theoretical 3DS-2 a year later than Wii U and did pretty damn well for itself but by the time it passed that imaginary line to get serious consideration for a sequel because of those sales Platinum had already moved onto another project. There is always a chance the game gets a sequel on the back of great critical reception and buzz but wouldn't it be disappointing if sales from another platform, that the publisher has a stake in, couldn't have an impact because of a tiered release?
That's not to say all Xbox games can't sustain themselves either or that MS won't fund follow-ups when there is enough buzz behind the game. I just want the folk who own another MS platform who want to play those games, that have the damnedest time getting great sales early on if at all, to have an impact on deciding if that possible series should be tossed out for something else or given another shot.
The idea of more "unique" games is just a potential bonus.
It's not about "caring about weirdos", it's about empathising with those weirdos' experience. If you can't, then fair enough. Fuck them, I guess?
Or they are simply stuck with the one platform - a platform they invested in and "got behind", and are struggling to justify it. If you want to step all over their experience then go right ahead.
I don't believe that either of you *actually, genuinely* can't understand why someone would feel like the rug was pulled out from under them. I get that you'd use that rhetoric to make them sound stupid and entitled, because that's a really easy way to overlook what they're actually expressing, but I refuse to believe you can't see where they're coming from.
It's not about the bigger perspective for those that are bummed out by this. Many of them cannot afford the bigger perspective, and the "state of the market overall" is not their concern. They bought a product - an Xbox - that they thought would be *the* place to play their favourite Xbox games, and depending on how encompassing this PC push will be, it's just not going to be *the* place any more.
Yes, people can't afford gaming PCs, so an Xbox is a better "entry level" way to play Xbox games. Multiplatform games are better even on the competing console platform, and "your own" games are better on PC.
I'm putting myself in someone else's shoes here. I'm putting myself in friends' shoes. (They're gonna want their shoes back.) I get how it's better for the games, but I do not for a second find it difficult to see this from the perspective of a consumer that invested in an Xbox, that now feels like they're stuck with a consolation price. There are threads dedicated to it on this very forum, and I know that when friends of mine hear about this it'll make them sad.
And if that makes them "console warrior trolls" in your eyes, then so be it. In real life they're just disappointed.
tiredheadcrab
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The drama around the QB coming to PC day and date of the xbox one version, along with cross buy and same saves has been...interesting.
We have kind of known this for like a year now that MS was going to support the PC in bigger terms than what they typically have done in the past. Its a great idea and I for one love it. Hell they will start getting 3rd parties on the Windows 10 store eventually which would also be great for the platform. They already are with ROTR. As a PC owner and an Xbox one owner i am rather excited that this is happening and look forward to this. I imagine Sea of Theives and RECore will be the same as well. Hell do it for Gears 4, I dont care.
As for Sony and Nintendo doing this, not yet. Its coming possibly but its to early. Although Sony is probably keeping an eye on this move. If it makes MS money then why not?
We have kind of known this for like a year now that MS was going to support the PC in bigger terms than what they typically have done in the past. Its a great idea and I for one love it. Hell they will start getting 3rd parties on the Windows 10 store eventually which would also be great for the platform. They already are with ROTR. As a PC owner and an Xbox one owner i am rather excited that this is happening and look forward to this. I imagine Sea of Theives and RECore will be the same as well. Hell do it for Gears 4, I dont care.
As for Sony and Nintendo doing this, not yet. Its coming possibly but its to early. Although Sony is probably keeping an eye on this move. If it makes MS money then why not?
Xbox One is poor man's Xbox because those games can be played on PC? What about PS4 for 90% of the games?
For people who buy consoles for Call of Duty, Battlefield, Star Wars, Assassin's Creed, all the dozens of millions of them, are they all buying consoles because they can't afford a higher end PC? Could they perhaps instead want the console experience more?
To be fair, Microsoft has said that before and they totally abandoned PC when the 360 took off. Games for Windows Live was a mess and we never saw Halo, Gears, or Rare IP's come to PC.
I'm still shocked they announced this lol. Along with all their new IP's all that's left to put on PC is Halo MCC and 5, Gears 1-4, and Forza's.
huh?
With an HDMI cable and gamepad plugged in, I don't even know what a console experience vs PC experience means any more.
There just plain isn't enough evidence to make any of these claims with the strength that you do.
Night Angel
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As in, no "surprise, there's a PC version" after he already bought it on the Bone.
Misleading customers into thinking it's exclusive when it's really not, that kind of thing.
That doesn't equate it to the console "plug-and-play" experience. Update process, game compatibility, form factor, price and parts, customer support, repair support.
The PC plugged into the TV and a gamepad is really close, I know, but it's not there. There's a reason Steam machines haven't taken off, the same reason PS4+XBO sold 60M or whatever.
Well, it is fairly new when it comes to major major stuff getting released on it so we'll have to wait and see.
This is bad because now Xbox fans will lose platform debates
When you thought you had heard everything.....