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[Sydle]

It's not about "caring about weirdos", it's about empathising with those weirdos' experience. If you can't, then fair enough. Fuck them, I guess?



Or they are simply stuck with the one platform - a platform they invested in and "got behind", and are struggling to justify it. If you want to step all over their experience then go right ahead.

I don't believe that either of you *actually, genuinely* can't understand why someone would feel like the rug was pulled out from under them. I get that you'd use that rhetoric to make them sound stupid and entitled, because that's a really easy way to overlook what they're actually expressing, but I refuse to believe you can't see where they're coming from.

It's not about the bigger perspective for those that are bummed out by this. Many of them cannot afford the bigger perspective, and the "state of the market overall" is not their concern. They bought a product - an Xbox - that they thought would be *the* place to play their favourite Xbox games, and depending on how encompassing this PC push will be, it's just not going to be *the* place any more.

Yes, people can't afford gaming PCs, so an Xbox is a better "entry level" way to play Xbox games. Multiplatform games are better even on the competing console platform, and "your own" games are better on PC.

I'm putting myself in someone else's shoes here. I'm putting myself in friends' shoes. (They're gonna want their shoes back.) I get how it's better for the games, but I do not for a second find it difficult to see this from the perspective of a consumer that invested in an Xbox, that now feels like they're stuck with a consolation price. There are threads dedicated to it on this very forum, and I know that when friends of mine hear about this it'll make them sad.

And if that makes them "console warrior trolls" in your eyes, then so be it. In real life they're just disappointed.

I don't know anyone like you describe and I can't say I've ever met one either. Every single one of the 20 or so gamers, with various gaming tastes, I regularly interact with don't think about things like the person you describe. It seems silly to me.

I'll trust you that they're out there, but all I'll say is that I'd take this new direction of Xbox over your friends' feelings any day. They'll get it over it as they realize the more things go digital the less that one piece of plastic under their TV is all that important.

 

[SimonM7]

That doesn't equate it to the console "plug-and-play" experience. Update process, game compatibility, form factor, price and parts, customer support, repair support.
The PC plugged into the TV and a gamepad is really close, I know, but it's not there. There's a reason Steam machines haven't taken off, the same reason PS4+XBO sold 60M or whatever.

Yeah, that's absolutely a fair point. I think it's only going to improve, however, and wouldn't be surprised if it happens very fast from here on.

Especially if the windows store actually gets to a point where it offers an "app store" like experience - if you just click on a thing and it goes. The Xbox One controller already maps over games in Windows 10 and offers a "guide" interface similar to Xbox, with screenshots and video record functions - friends, messaging and so on. If it all clicks in place, it's just going to be a matter of what HDMI input you switch to.

This is bad because now Xbox fans will lose platform debates

When you thought you had heard everything.....

Yup. That's exactly what I meant!

I don't know anyone like you describe and I can't say I've ever met one either. Every single one of the 20 or so gamers, with various gaming tastes, I regularly interact with don't think about things like the person you describe. It seems silly to me. Sorry I can't relate.

Fair enough.

 

[OrangeOak]

As in, no "surprise, there's a PC version" after he already bought it on the Bone.

Misleading customers into thinking it's exclusive when it's really not, that kind of thing.

Yes this is it.
I don't want to double deep just because they announce PC version after Xbox One version already launched.

 

[FootballFan]

I can understand some view points i've read online that having exclusives leaving the XboxOne is devaluing the console and punishing early adopters.

On the other hand having more people playing Forza or QB is probably good for business and the franchises themselves.

 

[JaggedSac]

This is what Windows 10 looks like:

IoT, mobile, tablet, laptop, desktop, Xbox, HoloLens and Surface Hub.

Of course, but unless they have a big change in strategy and popularity, there won't be many phones or pure tablets on Win10 within this year, lol.

 

[GametimeUK]

These games going to PC is great and I don't think it will destroy console sales.

Us who are informed are totally different from a lot of customers. We can consider to buy or own PC's without an Xbox One if all the games are coming to PC if it meets our needs. However, a console gamer may not see PC as a platform, they can stick where their friends are etc. The online fee doesn't matter to them. It won't kill Xbox and it will try and expand the Win10 platform. It's a win / win.

 

[Yoday]

I see posts that manage that the Xbox brand is getting messed because of this? Xbox is no longer just the console. I swear I'm taking crazy pills.

It's because a lot of folks around here are obsessed with console sales. They don't seem to understand that PC gamers buying a console solely for exclusives isnt any better than just buying those same exclusives on the W10 store. A console sale doesn't mean shit if the person rarely interacts with the system. If anything a PC gamer is more likely to buy an Xbox exclusive on PC since that is where they spend more of their time, and it is their platform of choice.

The purpose of a console is to sell software, and if they get the same revenue selling that game in an Xbox PC store then what does it matter?

 

[statham]

It's because a lot of folks around here are obsessed with console sales. They don't seem to understand that PC gamers buying a console solely for exclusives isnt any better than just buying those same exclusives on the W10 store. A console sale doesn't mean shit if the person rarely interacts with the system. If anything a PC gamer is more likely to buy an Xbox exclusive on PC since that is where they spend more of their time, and it is their platform of choice.

The purpose of a console is to sell software, and if they get the same revenue selling that game in an Xbox PC store then what does it matter?

Yep. PC gamers are also more likely to buy a Xbox exclusive if it runs at a higher framerate and IQ since they are more accustomed to it. besides upgrading to W10, and maybe even encourage 3rd party to put a version of there game on the store besides steam. They will lose some live sales but I bet that will be minor in how many other sales they can pick up. Microsoft can also do better 3rd party deals going forward like SO or Ryse if the developer and MS gets something out of PC sales. Just give me crossbuy MS!

 

[Bgamer90]

There just plain isn't enough evidence to make any of these claims with the strength that you do.

I disagree. There's evidence very clear that the majority of console gamers aren't "sad" that the games that they play are on PC too considering the fact that a large portion of the top selling current gen console games are available on PC.

We will see more risks being made thanks to the potential higher amount of users from Xbox + PC vs. Xbox only.

Everything I'm saying is pretty much common sense to me and is supported by game sales (again, the top selling games being multiplats this gen), and simple addition ("PC+Xbox" obviously being more people than "Xbox only" -- therefore causing new IPs to be less of a risk to make).

This move is going to make more people talk about Xbox "console exclusives"; For example, more people will be talking about Quantum Break after playing it since more people will get to play it. This will make a greater number of gamers (whether console or PC based) interested in trying the game out if the impressions are good in comparison to if the game was Xbox only.

 

[Zedox]

It's because a lot of folks around here are obsessed with console sales. They don't seem to understand that PC gamers buying a console solely for exclusives isnt any better than just buying those same exclusives on the W10 store. A console sale doesn't mean shit if the person rarely interacts with the system. If anything a PC gamer is more likely to buy an Xbox exclusive on PC since that is where they spend more of their time, and it is their platform of choice.

The purpose of a console is to sell software, and if they get the same revenue selling that game in an Xbox PC store then what does it matter?

Yep. PC gamers are also more likely to buy a Xbox exclusive if it runs at a higher framerate and IQ since they are more accustomed to it. besides upgrading to W10, and maybe even encourage 3rd party to put a version of there game on the store besides steam. They will lose some live sales but I bet that will be minor in how many other sales they can pick up. Microsoft can also do better 3rd party deals going forward like SO or Ryse if the developer and MS gets something out of PC sales. Just give me crossbuy MS!

I like you guys. You guys know the deal. Once people realize that the shift in gaming isn't solely for just the console (which is the primary thing right now) and is for the services and games behind the brand...then maybe people will understand. Maybe PlayStation needs to come out with a PS Store on Windows/Android and have cross-buy with that and then people will see that it is more than just a console for the longevity.

But I guess people don't like to look at the future.

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EDIT: People, what BGamer90 is clearly saying...the highest grossing games are multiplatform games...these games are also on PC but they get the most money on consoles. Knowing that information, having exclusive games (which aren't the top selling majority of the time) on the PC isn't going to diminish the console at all, it only increases the amount of games that can be sold on a market previously that it wouldn't, only gaining customers, not losing. With that in mind, more money = more opportunity to do different things (IPs) since the whole pool is larger. I don't see how this doesn't make sense.

 

[Bgamer90]

I can understand some view points i've read online that having exclusives leaving the XboxOne is devaluing the console and punishing early adopters.

On the other hand having more people playing Forza or QB is probably good for business and the franchises themselves.

I can definitely understand the early adopter point since many didn't expect these games to be coming to PC too. Though, on the flip side, considering the fact that the majority of early Xbox One games were on PC too, and the console didn't even compare to a solid gaming PC in terms of specs at launch (hence, the 900p/1080p mix -- something that still holds true to this day), I wouldn't understand why a PC gamer would have bought the Xbox One early unless they have more friends on Xbox.

But anyway, as you have said, more people playing Forza and Quantum Break is obviously a good thing. If someone cares deeply about those games/series, and wants to see them continue on in the future, but thinks this move is bad then they more than likely care far more about feeling special than actually wanting games to be successful.

 

[quest]

I like you guys. You guys know the deal. Once people realize that the shift in gaming isn't solely for just the console (which is the primary thing right now) and is for the services and games behind the brand...then maybe people will understand. Maybe PlayStation needs to come out with a PS Store on Windows/Android and have cross-buy with that and then people will see that it is more than just a console for the longevity.

But I guess people don't like to look at the future.

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EDIT: People, what BGamer90 is clearly saying...the highest grossing games are multiplatform games...these games are also on PC but they get the most money on consoles. Knowing that information, having exclusive games (which aren't the top selling majority of the time) on the PC isn't going to diminish the console at all, it only increases the amount of games that can be sold on a market previously that it wouldn't, only gaining customers, not losing. With that in mind, more money = more opportunity to do different things (IPs) since the whole pool is larger. I don't see how this doesn't make sense.

I don't even know what to say to this honestly. To suggest Sony should give people any reason not to buy its console to sell a couple extra copies of it's first/second party exclusives is insane. The 30% it gets for games sold on the PS4 destroys a couple extra dollars made porting its first party games to the PC. Lets be honest MS is doing this because the Xbox One sales are not what they expected. Same as when Sony did this to the Vita. Is it just making the best out of a bad situation. I am sure all the Vita owners remember all those new games they got from the extra sale of its games on other platforms. I am still waiting for those games BTW.

 

[Bgamer90]

I don't even know what to say to this honestly. To suggest Sony should give people any reason not to buy its console to sell a couple extra copies of it's first/second party exclusives is insane.

But the PS4 is being heavily supported by games that are available on PC anyway. People are buying the PS4 because they feel that it's the best console for their interests with the large majority of these people not being PC gamers.

This isn't to say that they SHOULD make this move, but what I AM saying is I wouldn't see how them doing that would greatly hurt PS4 sales in anyway.

Lets be honest MS is doing this because the Xbox One sales are not what they expected. Same as when Sony did this to the Vita. Is it just making the best out of a bad situation.

I agree that they are doing this now due to Xbox One sales not being in a good spot worldwide, but there were plans for this before the console even launched. Things were going to get to this point eventually.

I am sure all the Vita owners remember all those new games they got from the extra sale of its games on other platforms. I am still waiting for those games BTW.

This comparison isn't good. The handheld market is different from the console market and the Xbox One is far more relevant than the Vita is thanks to third party support alone.

 

[wapplew]

But the PS4 is being heavily supported by games that are available on PC anyway. People are buying the PS4 because they feel that it's the best console for their interests with the large majority of these people not being PC gamers.

This isn't to say that they SHOULD make this move, but what I AM saying is I wouldn't see how them doing that would greatly hurt PS4 sales in anyway

Sure, multiplatform sold the most, exclusive hardly move console if we go by numbers.
But I think the perception of all first party game will be exclusive is one very important value when people choose a console.
Yes, one particular exclusive title might not move much console, but if you put them together, it create great value in people mind.

I understand the one windows store to rule them all concept, it's nothing new, we have them on iOS and android.
MS want that App Store money it's pretty clear.
To me, this movement more like Windows store is not doing too well and Xbox game is the only thing could help the situation.
I feel like at best, Windows store will be origin/Uplay for MS. I might be wrong but I really can't see how it take off without them make Windows a close platform.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

We will see more risks being made thanks to the potential higher amount of users from Xbox + PC vs. Xbox only.

Everything I'm saying is pretty much common sense to me and is supported by game sales (again, the top selling games being multiplats this gen), and simple addition ("PC+Xbox" obviously being more people than "Xbox only" -- therefore causing new IPs to be less of a risk to make).

I think you're glossing over the fact that it's not "PC+Xbox" but "Windows 10 Store+Xbox" which I think is pretty big difference. We don't know if the W10 Store will attract a sizable userbase to make this endeavor worthwhile.

 

[bonkeng]

Let's make this simple:

Winners: Everyone except Xbox One

Loser: Xbox One

There is no way this can have a positive impact on Xbox One sales.

But everyone and everything else wins. Gamers, Microsoft, PC, Developers, etc

 

[WaterAstro]

Well of course it's good for Xbox owners.

The game makes more money, the devs have more money to make games, those games go on Xbox.

It's an absolute mystery why Microsoft hadn't thought of that long ago.

 

[etta]

Well of course it's good for Xbox owners.

The game makes more money, the devs have more money to make games, those games go on Xbox.

It's an absolute mystery why Microsoft hadn't thought of that long ago.

Tell that to bonkeng.

 

[eksy]

I don't even know what to say to this honestly. To suggest Sony should give people any reason not to buy its console to sell a couple extra copies of it's first/second party exclusives is insane. The 30% it gets for games sold on the PS4 destroys a couple extra dollars made porting its first party games to the PC. Lets be honest MS is doing this because the Xbox One sales are not what they expected. Same as when Sony did this to the Vita. Is it just making the best out of a bad situation. I am sure all the Vita owners remember all those new games they got from the extra sale of its games on other platforms. I am still waiting for those games BTW.

Yup. You got it.

I think Rise of the Tomb Raider sales had A LOT to do with it. I expected sales to be really low, and that's why the PC release came out so soon (altho that's not exclusive on W10) and did fairly well. And they scrambling because Quantum Break was their next major title for the Xbox One, and they got scared. Of course this is just my speculation.

If Microsoft were upfront about the games on Xbox One being ported to PC to be "a part of the Windows 10 ecosystem", then I would have never bought an Xbox One in the first place. Not exactly bait-and-switch, but it sure doesn't feel good from a consumer standpoint. See if I support their next console. See if I tell my friends to support them. I'd rather help my buddies join the PC MR

 

[Sou Da]

I still can't believe the outrage is a thing that actually happened.

It always seemed like some odd hypothetical to me.

 

[BobLoblaw]

I don't own either a PS4 or a XB1. If they both put their triple A games out on PC (and didn't fuck up the port), I'd buy them for sure. As things stand now, neither of them get any of my monies, just Gaben.

 

[watership]

I still can't believe the outrage is a thing that actually happened.

It always seemed like some odd hypothetical to me.

The outrage has been limited to a few people..hasn't it?

 

[Bgamer90]

I think you're glossing over the fact that it's not "PC+Xbox" but "Windows 10 Store+Xbox" which I think is pretty big difference. We don't know if the W10 Store will attract a sizable userbase to make this endeavor worthwhile.

This is true/more accurate. I shouldn't just say PC. Still gives more users a chance to play a new IP though (which is my main point).

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Let's make this simple:

Winners: Everyone except Xbox One

Loser: Xbox One

There is no way this can have a positive impact on Xbox One sales.

But everyone and everything else wins. Gamers, Microsoft, PC, Developers, etc

It can possibly have a positive impact on Xbox One sales since a game being available to more users will thus make that game more popular. The majority of console gamers only care about console gaming so the games will still be seen as (true) exclusives to many of them.

See Street Fighter V on PS4 for the perfect example of this. The game is helping PS4 sales even though it's available on PC too.

 

[Bgamer90]

Sure, multiplatform sold the most, exclusive hardly move console if we go by numbers.
But I think the perception of all first party game will be exclusive is one very important value when people choose a console.
Yes, one particular exclusive title might not move much console, but if you put them together, it create great value in people mind.

I understand the one windows store to rule them all concept, it's nothing new, we have them on iOS and android.
MS want that App Store money it's pretty clear.
To me, this movement more like Windows store is not doing too well and Xbox game is the only thing could help the situation.
I feel like at best, Windows store will be origin/Uplay for MS. I might be wrong but I really can't see how it take off without them make Windows a close platform.

I agree that exclusives create value for a console and one of my points is that many console gamers will see these games as exclusive anyway since many of them don't care about PC gaming at all.

An exclusive going from one console only -to- One console + PC will still be seen by the majority of console gamers as a true exclusive.

An exclusive going from one console only -to- two consoles (or more) is a FAR bigger deal in my opinion; That actually causes notable impacts in console sales if we are talking about popular AAA titles.

This plan is pretty much killing two birds with one stone... most console gamers will continue on seeing Quantum Break as a true exclusive, while Quantum Break will earn more money thanks to it being available on more than just one platform.

 

[e-gamer]

It's a good move for MS, who can offer a larger base to publishers and get more exclusive games to their "ecosystem". IMHO.

Besides that, industry is not anymore about console x console. Now is about console x pc x tablet x mobile and there is a SO integrating all of them. A natural move indeed.

And to be fair, wich exclusive game is selling like hot cakes? Neither. The most sold exclusive game to date, wich sales are reason of jokes around, is Halo 5...

 

[Glorified G]

I am ok with it as long as they will announce PC version before Xbox One version launch.

Legit lol'd. This thread is great.

 

[Bgamer90]

It's a good move for MS, who can offer a larger base to publishers and get more exclusive games to their "ecosystem". IMHO.

Besides that, industry is not anymore about console x console. Now is about console x pc x tablet x mobile and there is a SO integrating all of them. A natural move indeed.

And to be fair, wich exclusive game is selling like hot cakes? Neither. The most sold exclusive game to date, wich sales are reason of jokes around, is Halo 5...

Agree.

I don't understand how some who've previously stated (and pretty clearly/boldly) that Street Fighter V and various indies not coming to Xbox One help PS4 sales but yet this move for Quantum Break will hurt Xbox One sales. Uhh... the former (PS4 console exclusives) are on PC too.

It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

Just thinking of dealing with the win10 xbox app makes my skin crawl!

 

[Zedox]

Agree.

I don't understand how some who've previously stated (and pretty clearly/boldly) that Street Fighter V and various indies not coming to Xbox One help PS4 sales but yet this move for Quantum Break will hurt Xbox One sales. Uhh... the former (PS4 console exclusives) are on PC too.

It doesn't make any sense.

The war must continue on Bgamer90!

This years E3 is going to be HILARIOUS!

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What I find funny is that when someone buys a song through iTunes, they expect to be able to play it on their PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV. But if you buy a Microsoft game, we can't expect to play it on our console or our PC? THAT MY FRIENDS, IS CRAZY!

 

[gamz]

Just thinking of dealing with the win10 xbox app makes my skin crawl!

Really? What's wrong with it? I don't think it's that bad.

 

[justgames7604]

I agree, the only thing I didn't like about pc was being able to talk and play with my friends on xbox. now I can and its really nice imo.

 

[LilJoka]

I am ok with it as long as they will announce PC version before Xbox One version launch.

Hahahah amazing post.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

Really? What's wrong with it? I don't think it's that bad.

PTSD from windows live? I guess. Because, it looks mostly like a win10 app for most part.

 

[bonkeng]

This is true/more accurate. I shouldn't just say PC. Still gives more users a chance to play a new IP though (which is my main point).

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It can possibly have a positive impact on Xbox One sales since a game being available to more users will thus make that game more popular. The majority of console gamers only care about console gaming so the games will still be seen as (true) exclusives to many of them.

See Street Fighter V on PS4 for the perfect example of this. The game is helping PS4 sales even though it's available on PC too.

Dude, we're not talking about a single game here. We're talking about all Xbox exclusives going to PC.

SF5's impact on PS4 is totally different, as it is not a Sony first party title, therefore PS4 actually benefits on gaining exclusivity even though it releases on PC as well. Former X360 SF4 players will buy it on PS4 (and buy a PS4) or PC instead of Xbox.

I'll give you an example (me), might be anecdotal. I've been planning to buy an XB1 when Scalebounf comes out. But if it comes out on PC as well, I'll buy it on PC and skip XB1. Since I also have a gaming PC. I think there should be a few who is on the same boat as me. XB1 loses sales in this regard. Maybe it's not a significant lose as MS surely would have calculated it. But it's a lose regardless.

In the end, important thing is we gamers win no matter what. Even current XB1 owners wins because there's potentially more players joining their ecosystem.

 

[timlot]

I've never really been a PC gamer. Had a nes, genesis, PS, and every xbox console. I see the XB1 has a set top box with console level gaming capability. Its competition is the Apple tv and Rokus of the world just as much as it is Playstation. The living room environment calls for an instant on device, 10ft viewing distance icons, and a user friendly UI that PCs don't consistently have. Yes there are some PC that start up fast and have htpc software, but that experience won't be consistent given the inherent variety of PCs.

Having said all that. Cross buy is very interesting to me. If Phil is correct in saying it will be a platform feature going forward I would certainly looking into investing in a moderately price gaming PC when its time to (hopefully soon) upgrade my 8 year old main PC in the bedroom. Buy one copy play everywhere. How can you complain about that?

 

[rakkadakka]

How can you complain about that?

People hate other people having the thing that they thought was just their thing.

 

[Occam]

"Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners"

It's even greater for non-Xbox owners.

 

[Bgamer90]

Dude, we're not talking about a single game here. We're talking about all Xbox exclusives going to PC

I don't feel this changes my point that it's hypocritical to say that indies and games like Street Fighter V help PS4 console sales since they aren't coming to Xbox (even though they're on PC too) while at the same time stating that Quantum Break coming to PC will greatly hurt Xbox.

If you are strictly a console gamer (as most PS4 or Xbox players are) then these games will still be pretty much considered as exclusive to you.

SF5's impact on PS4 is totally different, as it is not a Sony first party title, therefore PS4 actually benefits on gaining exclusivity even though it releases on PC as well. Former X360 SF4 players will buy it on PS4 (and buy a PS4) or PC instead of Xbox.

There will still be people who will buy an Xbox One for its "console exclusives" -- just like they are doing now with the PS4 and its "console exclusives".

Some who don't own an Xbox One now will be getting one alongside the launch of Quantum Break even though the game is on PC too. Same is true with SFV and the PS4 (as you've said).

Again, most console gamers are not interested in PC gaming so I don't really think this move hurts console sales in any notable way as many of them will still see these titles as true exclusives.

I'll give you an example (me), might be anecdotal. I've been planning to buy an XB1 when Scalebounf comes out. But if it comes out on PC as well, I'll buy it on PC and skip XB1. Since I also have a gaming PC. I think there should be a few who is on the same boat as me. XB1 loses sales in this regard. Maybe it's not a significant lose as MS surely would have calculated it. But it's a lose regardless.

You guys are in the minority though as shown by the sales of the top selling console games. Most console players do not have an acceptable gaming PC.

And while XB1 and PS4 will have fewer sales from people like you in comparison to if the games we've stated were truly exclusive, the greater amount of discussion about these titles thanks to them being on PC (larger userbase) will help some console only gamers want to play too -- therefore causing some to buy a current gen console if they don't have one already.

In the end, important thing is we gamers win no matter what. Even current XB1 owners wins because there's potentially more players joining their ecosystem.

Definitely agree. There will be more players and more games thanks to this causing a bit less risk for new IPs to be made.

 

[Bgamer90]

It's even greater for those who wish to remain non-Xbox owners.

That is if they have an acceptable gaming PC or want one. If not, then this move really changes nothing for them.

And I wouldn't say "greater" (though it's obvious that you want to remain that way) -- this move will benefit people who only play on consoles too since the chance of them getting more new IPs will be greater thanks to the larger potential user base helping the risk.

 

[Zedox]

Dude, we're not talking about a single game here. We're talking about all Xbox exclusives going to PC.

SF5's impact on PS4 is totally different, as it is not a Sony first party title, therefore PS4 actually benefits on gaining exclusivity even though it releases on PC as well. Former X360 SF4 players will buy it on PS4 (and buy a PS4) or PC instead of Xbox.

I'll give you an example (me), might be anecdotal. I've been planning to buy an XB1 when Scalebounf comes out. But if it comes out on PC as well, I'll buy it on PC and skip XB1. Since I also have a gaming PC. I think there should be a few who is on the same boat as me. XB1 loses sales in this regard. Maybe it's not a significant lose as MS surely would have calculated it. But it's a lose regardless.

In the end, important thing is we gamers win no matter what. Even current XB1 owners wins because there's potentially more players joining their ecosystem.

They don't make a huge margin on the XB1, but more on the software on it. Unless you were changing all of your gaming habits to XBO and only getting it for some Xbox exclusives...MS isn't missing anything. This is only a good thing for everyone, MS included. People look at the "Xbox One" losing...but they aren't. People are still going to buy consoles and MS is still going to make consoles, but now the sales of Xbox One consoles isn't the basis for people to gauge how MS is doing in the Gaming space.

 

[GHG]

Why are false equivalences being made with the ps4 in this thread? Street fighter is just one game. With the Xbox one we are talking about (potentially) all of the exclusives being on the PC as well. There is a big difference.

Whatever makes you guys feel better I guess.

 

[Bgamer90]

Why are false equivalences being made with the ps4 in this thread? Street fighter is just one game.

Because it's funny to say that Street Fighter V not being on Xbox helps PS4 sales while at the same time saying that Quantum Break being on PC will hurt greatly Xbox sales as the former is on PC too, and the latter still isn't on any other gaming console.

On top of this, I brought up more than just Street Fighter V. I've also mentioned people who have stated that PS4 indies that are on PC too and aren't on Xbox One help PS4 sales (something that I also agree with by the way).

With the Xbox one we are talking about (potentially) all of the exclusives being on the PC as well. There is a big difference.

It's not a big difference to people who only play on consoles - i.e. the majority of console gamers.

Whatever makes you guys feel better I guess.

Haha, seriously? Yep -- I'm definitely making the comparison to make myself feel better. Not to show that most console gamers still view games as exclusive if they are only on one console as many of them don't care about PC gaming to begin with.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I think if Sony was smart, they'd make their own storefront on PC and do the exact same thing.

$$$$

Good for everyone.

 

[kaiyo]

They don't make a huge margin on the XB1, but more on the software on it. Unless you were changing all of your gaming habits to XBO and only getting it for some Xbox exclusives...MS isn't missing anything. This is only a good thing for everyone, MS included. People look at the "Xbox One" losing...but they aren't. People are still going to buy consoles and MS is still going to make consoles, but now the sales of Xbox One consoles isn't the basis for people to gauge how MS is doing in the Gaming space.

If one buys an Xbox because of an exclusive, there's a possibility that they will buy other games for it. If they don't buy an Xbox there's 0 chance they will buy games for the system.

 

[gypsygib]

If it worked with all games it would make me wish all my console friends had xone's instead of PS4s.

I'm always torn between the better looking PC version or the closer friends on console.

 

[Sydle]

If one buys an Xbox because of an exclusive, there's a possibility that they will buy other games for it. If they don't buy an Xbox there's 0 chance they will buy games for the system.

If one chooses a Windows 10 device because of an exclusive, there's a possibility that they will buy other things through the Windows Store, or at the very least turn into a long-term user of Windows. If they don't buy a Windows 10 device there's a much lower possibility they'll get into the Microsoft ecosystem and perhaps become a long-term user of a rival OS platform.

You see? Microsoft is still trying to use Xbox to save Windows, they just finally woke up that while they were focused on the living room all those years Apple and Android became a gigantic threat with the rise of mobile and fall of desktop.

It was always about Windows and it's still about Windows.

 

[Final Verdict]

It's great for consumers overall and great for Microsoft.

For Xbox One owners as long as the games keep coming out, it's indifferent, but you have a point of this allowing more investments in AAA.

I agree with all said here.
As an X1 owner, I don't mind the first party stuff going to PC if it means more successful games.
Would be nice if they dropped the subscription for MP though, and just make Gold into what PS+ used to be.
Now that consoles aren't as heavy subsidized, there seems to be little excuse for keeping it.

 

[W.S.]

I'll give you an example (me), might be anecdotal. I've been planning to buy an XB1 when Scalebounf comes out. But if it comes out on PC as well, I'll buy it on PC and skip XB1. Since I also have a gaming PC. I think there should be a few who is on the same boat as me. XB1 loses sales in this regard. Maybe it's not a significant lose as MS surely would have calculated it. But it's a lose regardless.

Even if you do intend on buying it on PC (or more accurately Windows 10) Microsoft is still getting your sale and you're still buying into their ecosystem.

It would be another thing if these games were all on Steam or whatever other service but most of these games seem to be tied into Microsoft's services. I think the only impact of you just sticking to PC for MS games would be the lack of the XBL Gold subscription but that seems to have been factored in already.

 

[statham]

edit: already covered.

 

[vpance]

So what is MS gameplan to block Steam?