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[spannicus]

Maybe they will announce a few changes to the Windows 10 game store, why not wait and see what happens?

 

[GhostTrick]

So you are saying Valve doesn't even have to go down a different path to kill services either. They could say, whoops Steam aint compatible with new Windows update, guess we go make Steam Os the only way.

You're talking about possibilities. I'm talking about facts that happened.

 

[mneuro]

Sorry, but you're completely wrong.

No, I'm not wrong. This is a quote taken from Arstechnica in 2011 about the demonstration to developers of Windows 8.

"When Microsoft gave the first public demonstration of Windows 8 a week ago, the reaction from most circles was positive. The new Windows 8 user interface looks clean, attractive, and thoughtful, and in a first for a Microsoft desktop operating system, it's finger friendly. But one aspect of the demonstration has the legions of Windows developers deeply concerned, and with good reason: they were told that all their experience, all their knowledge, and every program they have written in the past would be useless on Windows 8."

http://arstechnica.com/information-...dows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified/

 

[family_guy]

That's it? 'Oh well'?

Meaning you accept you have limited rights to your digital purchase no matter where you get it from. Steam is great for what it is. Doesn't mean it will always be that way. The terms of the service can always change. If gane preservation is that important then buy DRM free games or go physical. I just don't see a point in worrying about the worst case.

 

[Backlogger]

You're right, PC is about choices. You can choose to buy all your games on PC, and MS can choose to not sell it on Steam. You can choose not to buy a MS game.

Right. I'm glad you agree with me

The only point I'm making is I think its a bad choice by MS. Might as well stick to consoles if they are gonna handle PC releases this way.

I want valve to give me the choice to play CSGO and Dota 2 on Origin or GOG. Ugh give me options!

You are just trying to troll (at least it seems like you are) but I actually agree with you. Valve should do this, particularly on their single player games.

 

[kenjigreat]

PCs are about choice. Choice of OS, choice of which programs you want to use or not use.

They should sell it on W10 store. And Steam, and Origin, and GOG, etc.

Let us choose where we want to buy it. The 30% cut? Who cares! That is the cost of doing business and giving your customers real choice.

I can buy Levis at a Levis store, or at a bunch of other stores. So what? Let the consumer find the best deal and decide where they want to buy it.

Forcing 1 store for digital purchases on PC is not what most PC gamers want.

Developers and Publisher do whatever the hell they want because they 'Can' do whatever the hell they want.

Port PC Version last. Make Shitty ports . Lock to 30FPS . Release on Uplay. Implement Denuvo.

Ideally everything would be released on GOG and steam so I don't ever have to deal with the concept of DRM when buying games.

Honestly Microsoft could have gone the whelp you have to buy an Xbox One if you wanted to play the game route because they are publishing the game.

In their minds its probably 0% , 30% , 100%.

 

[GhostTrick]

Meaning you accept you have limited rights to your digital purchase no matter where you get it from. Steam is great for what it is. Doesn't mean it will always be that way. The terms of the service can always change. If gane preservation is that important then buy DRM free games or go physical. I just don't see a point in worrying about the worst case.

People dont worry about the worst case. They worry about what ALREADY happened with the SAME service from the SAME company.

 

[8-Bit Sunset]

Maybe they will announce a few changes to the Windows 10 game store, why not wait and see what happens?

What on earth could they possible announce that would even remotely change peoples opinion of the company and the way it handles thigs?

apologies if this seems a wee bit sensationalist.

 

[Sydle]

I remember Zune wasn't going anywhere either. they sold movies and music on there as well.

That just got rebranded though (twice now). You still have access to your purchases.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

I want valve to give me the choice to play CSGO and Dota 2 on Origin or GOG. Ugh give me options!

Nice try but you can buy CSGO on other stores, which is what that user was talking about.

Microsoft could do similar (and has with other GFWL games) and people could still need to use their service.

 

[MUnited83]

I want valve to give me the choice to play CSGO and Dota 2 on Origin or GOG. Ugh give me options!

CSGO was sold on uPlay at least until late 2015. Try harder.

 

[kenjigreat]

Nice try but you can buy CSGO on other stores, which is what that user was talking about.

Microsoft could do similar (and has with other GFWL games) and people could still need to use their service.

Wait , are you 100% positive you can get CSGO on GOG.com?

 

[Montresor]

And here ladies and gentlemen is another person who just jumps into a thread without reading dick all or understanding the reasons behind it, and throwing around blanket statements.

Spoiler

Unless I'm missing sarcasm here, because fuck if I know anymore the way this thread has devolved.

It has nothing to do with the store it's available on, Steam or otherwise. The problem, if you'll read the thread, is that the Windows store places restrictions on PC programs that enthusiasts and knowledgeable people tend to consider unacceptable.

I did read all the negatives. I don't think they outweigh the negative of the game possibly never coming to pc at all.

Erm, that qoute you highlighted was a silly attempt at sarcasm. AHA Lambda did not actually write that..the poster for whatever reason known to him decided to make something up to put across his misguided understanding of what this thread is all about.
So no, there is no loyalty to a distribution platform going on. Just people airing their legitimate concerns about how MS is going against many of the things that pc gamers value the most about pc gaming.

Well fuck me, then. I though that was a real quotation from AHA Lambda?

 

[mneuro]

I hope the people defending the locked windows store release will be happy paying $60 for Quantum break in 2018.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Wait , are you 100% positive you can get CSGO on GOG.com?

I didn't say GOG, I said other stores. As in, stores not named Steam. Read.

 

[Poster#1]

CSGO was sold on uPlay at least until late 2015. Try harder.

So I can't buy it from there now? What about GOG and Origin? Dota 2? Left 4 dead?

 

[Unai]

What was that small company that sold PC games and closed 5 years ago or so, but you can still download the games you bought there?

Spoiler

While you can't download the games you bought directly from Microsoft.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Right. I'm glad you agree with me

The only point I'm making is I think its a bad choice by MS. Might as well stick to consoles if they are gonna handle PC releases this way.

I don't think they might just stick on consoles because of that situation. They're widening their player base allowing their games to be played in a different platform, and that's good to them, as well as this is good for people who doesn't own an Xbox but are interested in said games. I'm pretty sure LOTS of people will buy Quantum Break in their store and will enjoy it!

MS is not obliged to sell their games on Steam, as well as Valve is not obliged to sell their games on MS digital store. We, as consumers, can choose the service that serves us the best, and them as companies can choose the distribution that serves them the best.

I'll be glad if MS comes to conclusion that selling their games on Steam can be good to them. However, I'm already glad to know that PC is already getting a new option.

 

[kenjigreat]

I hope the people defending the locked windows store release will be happy paying $60 for Quantum break in 2018.

I'm pretty sure people will try to buy it cheap in some other region like Rise of the Tomb Raider.

I didn't say GOG, I said other stores. As in, stores not named Steam. Read.

You responded to a direct quote asking if you could get it on GOG.com. Read.

 

[UnrealEck]

So I can't buy it from there now? What about GOG and Origin? Dota 2? Left 4 dead?

What's wrong with Steam?

 

[Kssio_Aug]

What on earth could they possible announce that would even remotely change peoples opinion of the company and the way it handles thigs?

http://i.imgur.com/uGROZHs.png

http://i.imgur.com/hnlE232.png

http://i.imgur.com/mH8shcV.png

http://i.imgur.com/bY7oJ42.png

http://i.imgur.com/YGhHuJT.png

apologies if this seems a wee bit sensationalist.

Except Windows 8 didn't die at launch, and that Windows Phone isn't dead either.

 

[mneuro]

I'm pretty sure people will try to buy it cheap in some other region like Rise of the Tomb Raider.

It will be funny when those same people complain when Microsoft removes the purchases from their account for EULA violations.

 

[8-Bit Sunset]

I'm pretty sure people will try to buy it cheap in some other region like Rise of the Tomb Raider.

Yay for having to use extreme methods/VPN/online guides for foreign store just to save money.

 

[kenjigreat]

It will be funny when those same people complain when Microsoft removes the purchases from their account for EULA violations.

Yay for having to use extreme methods/VPN/online guides for foreign store just to save money.

Steam bans regional purchase nonsense anyways. I can't even gift stuff to friends I play with in the US . Hell I can't even access Metal Gear Solid Rising in Asia.

If you use a VPN to bypass those restrictions for steam they can ban you.

Asia cannot gift to US but US can gift to Asia . Makes sense.

 

[MUnited83]

So I can't buy it from there now? What about GOG and Origin? Dota 2? Left 4 dead?

Make a thread about it. Nobody here is arguing for Valve to not put their games in other stores.

 

[8-Bit Sunset]

Except Windows 8 didn't die at launch, and that Windows Phone isn't dead either.

No sorry my mistake. Windows was already dead before it arrived.
Windows phone is dead:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946053/windows-phone-os/microsoft-lumia-and-windows-phone-dead-itbwcw.html
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/windows-phone-dead-whats-next-000112238.html

 

[mneuro]

Steam bans regional purchase nonsense anyways. I can't even gift stuff to friends I play with in the US . Hell I can't even access Metal Gear Solid Rising in Asia.

If you use a VPN to bypass those restrictions for steam they can ban you.

Asia cannot gift to US but US can gift to Asia . Makes sense.

The point is that we don't need to use a VPN to save money on games that release on steam.

 

[Peterpan]

Ideally everything would be released on GOG and steam so I don't ever have to deal with the concept of DRM when buying games.

Ohhhh on steam you don't have to deal with DRM. Is that so?

The fact that this thread is almost twice the size of the actual preview thread, says it all. People are more worried about controversy than the game at this point.

Hopefully when the game comes out, it's not like Tomb Raider and PC gamers are satisfied. And then we can get back to talking about the actual game. I am a PC gamer, but not hardcore into PC, because of money reasons.

 

[mneuro]

No sorry my mistake. Windows was already dead before it arrived.
Windows phone is dead:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946053/windows-phone-os/microsoft-lumia-and-windows-phone-dead-itbwcw.html
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/windows-phone-dead-whats-next-000112238.html

Agreed, windows phone is definitely dead. Both of the hosts of Windows Weekly (biggest windows podcast) have either switched off of windows phone or are testing android phones because they just this week talked about windows phone being dead.

 

[vasametropolis]

This is ridiculous revisionist history. GFWL was a big enough push that publishers putting games on PC used GFWL in their games long after Microsoft had given up.

All I'm trying to say is that the list of games, at least indicated by Wikipedia, was pretty damn small. I never bought a single one. I am not excusing Microsoft for denying access to games people had purchased, but if Steam had flopped in the earlier years and they were giving it another shot today, people would be just as cynical. And I understand it. I, for some crazy reason, am just willing to give them another shot under their newer leadership. If by some stroke of fate the Windows store gets killed or they pull access again, MS will be finished in more ways than games. You can only fail so many times.

 

[CrimsonGun]

I mean, if people really wanted to play the game I don't think this should stop them.

 

[SPDIF]

No, I'm not wrong. This is a quote taken from Arstechnica in 2011 about the demonstration to developers of Windows 8.

"When Microsoft gave the first public demonstration of Windows 8 a week ago, the reaction from most circles was positive. The new Windows 8 user interface looks clean, attractive, and thoughtful, and in a first for a Microsoft desktop operating system, it's finger friendly. But one aspect of the demonstration has the legions of Windows developers deeply concerned, and with good reason: they were told that all their experience, all their knowledge, and every program they have written in the past would be useless on Windows 8."

http://arstechnica.com/information-...dows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified/

I watched that demonstration live. The article you linked is nothing more than an opinion piece from someone who isn't (or wasn't at the time) aware that you could use more than just HTML5 and JS to create modern Windows applications. You can of course use C# and C++ as well. And none of this of course changes the fact that you could still use C++ and C# to write traditional Win32 applications that could then be run on the desktop, no store required. Which means that what you originally said:

Before windows 8 was released developers were originally only allowed to release Windows 8 applications via the windows store and in the Metro App format. The only application that had access to the traditional desktop of Windows 8 was Office and Internet Explorer

Is completely misinformed and flat-out wrong.

 

[Unai]

Ohhhh on steam you don't have to deal with DRM. Is that so?

The fact that this thread is almost twice the size of the actual preview thread, says it all. People are more worried about controversy than the game at this point.

Hopefully when the game comes out, it's not like Tomb Raider and PC gamers are satisfied. And then we can get back to talking about the actual game. I am a PC gamer, but not hardcore into PC, because of money reasons.

Most of the problems in Tomb Raider were not bugs, but the intended way that UWPs are supposed to work by design. So they are most likely not going to be fixed unless Microsoft starts selling win32 games.

All I'm trying to say is that the list of games, at least indicated by Wikipedia, was pretty damn small. I never bought a single one. I am not excusing Microsoft for denying access to games people had purchased, but if Steam had flopped in the earlier years and they were giving it another shot today, people would be just as cynical. And I understand it. I, for some crazy reason, am just willing to give them another shot under their newer leadership. If by some stroke of fate the Windows store gets killed or they pull access again, MS will be finished in more ways than games. You can only fail so many times.

Yes. If Valve was a diferent company company that progressed differently than what they actually did, people would see them different today. I don't see the pointk though.

 

[c0Zm1c]

Out of pure curiosity, the people that want it released on Steam, do any of you run SteamOS as your primary OS for PC?

I mean if you really really wanted to stick it to Microsoft. Don't use windows.

This is all about the Windows Store and the limitations it imposes, not the OS. Not that it would but if it went exclusively to GOG or Origin people would be happier about the situation.

 

[Montresor]

Developers and Publisher do whatever the hell they want because they 'Can' do whatever the hell they want.

Port PC Version last. Make Shitty ports . Lock to 30FPS . Release on Uplay. Implement Denuvo.

Ideally everything would be released on GOG and steam so I don't ever have to deal with the concept of DRM when buying games.

Honestly Microsoft could have gone the whelp you have to buy an Xbox One if you wanted to play the game route because they are publishing the game.

In their minds its probably 0% , 30% , 100%.

There is no DRM on Steam? Really?

 

[kenjigreat]

Ohhhh on steam you don't have to deal with DRM. Is that so?

The fact that this thread is almost twice the size of the actual preview thread, says it all. People are more worried about controversy than the game at this point.

Hopefully when the game comes out, it's not like Tomb Raider and PC gamers are satisfied. And then we can get back to talking about the actual game. I am a PC gamer, but not hardcore into PC, because of money reasons.

If Tomb Raider was on GOG.com I wouldn't need to have my internet on just to play a game.

Hell If it was on GOG I wouldn't need any 'online service'. I can reinstall Windows , transfer the install file downloaded from GOG legally to my PC and install it.

There is no DRM on Steam? Really?

I said GOG and steam. If it was released on GOG , NO DRM. I prefer GOG to steam.

This is all about the Windows Store and the limitations it imposes, not the OS. Not that it would but if it went exclusively to GOG or Origin people would be happier about the situation.

GOG is the best platform by far. I don't have to run ANYTHING in the background to run my game.

 

[Bolivar687]

I sympathize with wanting options and having reservations about The Windows Store's future. But this is par for the course with PC gaming. Many, if not most, of the biggest PC games are not on Steam and only available from the company's platform. And a lot of those platforms require internet connections and inhibit injectors. It's not unprecedented, it's not outrageous, nor should it be unexpected. It's only going to continue to diversify and in many respects, we benefit from companys competing with each others ecosystems. That's why we celebrate open platforms. That's why we game on PC.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

No sorry my mistake. Windows was already dead before it arrived.
Windows phone is dead:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946053/windows-phone-os/microsoft-lumia-and-windows-phone-dead-itbwcw.html
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/windows-phone-dead-whats-next-000112238.html

Windows was dead? LoL
Yeah, right... Windows 8 lost for Windows 7... sure, Windows was dead!

"Windows is the number one desktop operating system by a wide margin" (2015)
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-fe...e-most-popular-us-end-user-operating-systems/


Also:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...t=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=windows+phone

 

[Unai]

There is no DRM on Steam? Really?

If Tomb Raider was on GOG.com I wouldn't need to have my internet on just to play a game.

Hell If it was on GOG I wouldn't need any 'online service'. I can reinstall Windows , transfer the install file downloaded from GOG legally to my PC and install it.



I said GOG and steam. If it was released on GOG , NO DRM. I prefer GOG to steam.



GOG is the best platform by far. I don't have to run ANYTHING in the background to run my game.

Also, Steam does not forces DRM. The developer can opt to use another DRM or even to use no DRM at all. (yes, there are DRM free games sold through Steam)

I sympathize with wanting options and having reservations about The Windows Store's future. But this is par for the course with PC gaming. Many, if not most, of the biggest PC games are not on Steam and only available from the company's platform. It's not unprecedented, it's not outrageous, nor should it be unexpected. It's only going to continue to diversify and in many respects, we benefit from companys competing with each others ecosystems. That's why we celebrate open platforms. That's why we game on PC.

The future is indeed a cause of concern given Microsoft history in PC gaming, but the biggest issues are happening right now due to UWPs.

 

[MUnited83]

There is no DRM on Steam? Really?

Ohhhh on steam you don't have to deal with DRM. Is that so?

The fact that this thread is almost twice the size of the actual preview thread, says it all. People are more worried about controversy than the game at this point.

Hopefully when the game comes out, it's not like Tomb Raider and PC gamers are satisfied. And then we can get back to talking about the actual game. I am a PC gamer, but not hardcore into PC, because of money reasons.

Steam doesn't require or force DRM implementation. Whether a game has DRM on Steam or not is 100% the developer's choice. There's craploads of DRM-free games on Steam, there will never be one in the Win10 store.

 

[kenjigreat]

Also, Steam does not forces DRM. The developer can opt to use another DRM or even to use no DRM at all. (yes, there are DRM free games sold through Steam)

Steam doesn't force DRM , But its not like GOG where I can basically download the files for Witcher 3 and Heroes of Might and Magic III and have them whereever I go without needing to install ANYTHING ELSE to run the game.

 

[Backlogger]

I don't think they might just stick on consoles because of that situation. They're widening their player base allowing their games to be played in a different platform, and that's good to them, as well as this is good for people who doesn't own an Xbox but are interested in said games. I'm pretty sure LOTS of people will buy Quantum Break in their store and will enjoy it!

MS is not obliged to sell their games on Steam, as well as Valve is not obliged to sell their games on MS digital store. We, as consumers, can choose the service that serves us the best, and them as companies can choose the distribution that serves them the best.

I'll be glad if MS comes to conclusion that selling their games on Steam can be good to them. However, I'm already glad to know that PC is already getting a new option.

LOTS of people also will not buy it because its not on Steam, or at least not buy it at release. Good luck to MS though, hope this strategy works for them and good luck to those who buy games on their store. Hopefully it doesn't get abandoned later down the road and you lose access to your games.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

LOTS of people also will not buy it because its not on Steam, or at least not buy it at release. Good luck to MS though, hope this strategy works for them and good luck to those who buy games on their store. Hopefully it doesn't get abandoned later down the road and you lose access to your games.

I wish that for every single digital store we have today. None of them is totally immune in the industry.

 

[Unai]

Steam doesn't force DRM , But its not like GOG where I can basically download the files for Witcher 3 and Heroes of Might and Magic III and have them whereever I go without needing to install ANYTHING ELSE to run the game.

Some games are just like GOG. It depends on what the developer wants.

Edit: I remember once that I literally copied the directory of the game and I could run it in a Steam-less machine.

 

[OnionPowder]

So I can't buy it from there now? What about GOG and Origin? Dota 2? Left 4 dead?

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_US/search/ThemeID.8605600/plat.pc/brand.left-4-dead

Dota 2 is a free to play game, why would they sell a game focused on micro transactions on anything but their own service?

 

[BennyBlanco]

Steam doesn't force DRM , But its not like GOG where I can basically download the files for Witcher 3 and Heroes of Might and Magic III and have them whereever I go without needing to install ANYTHING ELSE to run the game.

There are games on Steam that are completely DRM free, where you can run the executable from the install folder without having Steam running. It's entirely up to the publisher afaik.

 

[kenjigreat]

LOTS of people also will not buy it because its not on Steam, or at least not buy it at release. Good luck to MS though, hope this strategy works for them and good luck to those who buy games on their store. Hopefully it doesn't get abandoned later down the road and you lose access to your games.

Honestly though , I'm the minority in that while I probably much prefer it was released on my distribution of Choice , More games are better than No games.

Please bring on Vanquish 2 or Red Dead Redemption 2. Even if they had something retarded like the SEGA store and sold Persona Games there I would buy it on PC.

 

[tuxfool]

There is no DRM on Steam? Really?

It isn't required. Developers can choose.

 

[Tizoc]

I think so too. Not even considering a buy until then.

Not to mention that a website that goes aling the lines of
Xbox.steampowered
There is even a thread for it
This sounds like pr talk just to promote their w10 store

 

[kenjigreat]

Not to mention that a website that goes aling the lines of
Xbox.steampowered
There is even a thread for it
This sounds like pr talk just to promote their w10 store

I'm not sure about Microsoft but Titanfall hasn't come to Steam yet. We'll see about Mirror's Edge 2 and Titanfall 2.