Republican Debate 9 [CBS News] Screw you guys, I'm going home

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teruterubozu said:
I mean, I get what you're saying, but by the time the generals come around Trump is going to have a significant team around him.
I'm almost certain his running mate is going to be a woman. Possibly even Carly Fiorina.
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Carly Fiorina doesn't bring votes for him, plus would be a really strange choice after what happened between the two.
 
Sulik2 said:
Weird, Ben Carson's point that life time appointments for judges not really being considered an issue when lifespan was only 50 years is actually a neat point. Probably would be a great reason for removing life-time appointments for Federal judges.
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People in positions like judges tended to live a lot longer. The average lifespan was 50 because so many children died, not that 40 year old men tended to die at age 50. Like the first guy became 84. The average age of them taking office is 54. The problem is that judges used to resign or retire, while nowadays they want to stay as long as possible.
 
I know elections are a serious thing, but I'm not american so I'm inclined to want that Trump wins the nomination because will be the most entertaining election ever.

Just imagine a Trump x Hillary debate, will be pure gold.
 
Joni said:
People in positions like judges tended to live a lot longer. The average lifespan was 50 because so many children died, not that 40 year old men tended to die at age 50. Like the first guy became 84. The average age of them taking office is 54. The problem is that judges used to resign or retire, while nowadays they want to stay as long as possible.
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Yup. The first Chief Justice John Jay lived until he was 84. Carson's an idiot.


edit: Trump is on Meet the Press right now, doubling-down on 9/11, WMDs, etc.
 
Rewatching the debate, Cruz and Rubio was spatting over who had more anti-immigration cred ended with Rubio and Cruz, two sons of immigrants, flaunting their Spanish without the hint of irony. Man, Latino voters must be loving that moment.
 
royalan said:
Too late for that.

Honestly, I think it's easy for us to forget how truly awful some of Trump's stances have been during his campaign because a) we've been following him this whole time; and b) not even most of the Republican candidates have gone hard on him because, when it comes right down to it, they believe a lot of the same shit he's just outright saying. And the only person on that stage with the balls to really take Trump on (Jeb), is woefully bad at it. Bullies only look intimidating when they pick on the weakest kids of the bunch.

I think it would take just one debate of a Hillary Clinton not held back by the constraints of debating a fellow Democrat relentlessly hammering him to remind every woman, homosexual, African American, Mexican and Muslim just how awful he has been toward their communities. Hillary also has the power to forcefully debate Trump on the facts, something very few Republicans on that stage have been able to do. As with Bernie, "I was against the war in Iraq" will only take you so far.
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What I mean is that if Trump attacks Hillary directly with a sexist attack, people are going to rally around Hillary because she becomes the 'target', the 'symbol'.

And he carries his shit so long, man. Spent months stewing over Megyn Kelly to the point where it might have cost him Iowa because he didn't appear at the debate.

There's no question that Hillary can definitely hammer on Trump about women and minorities, which is definitely a strength for her. Especially since she has a history of public service about helping children and families while he was trying to bankrupt himself. The question is if Trump can honestly spin his words and deeds into something better than Hillary for the moderate audience. Which I don't think he can lol

Also people don't seem to realize how anything can raise people's hackles. When Hillary was running for senator there was a moment during the senator debate where her opponent walked over to her podium to hand her a sheet of paper and she looked uncomfortable, and the media said the dude invaded Hillary's personal space. (Well technically, he was trying to force the sheet of paper on her, so it looked really bad. A sheet of paper. lmao) Trump's probably not going to do that but his penchant for saying whatever he wants is going to bite him on the ass for this.
 
allan-bh said:
I know elections are a serious thing, but I'm not american so I'm inclined to want that Trump wins the nomination because will be the most entertaining election ever.

Just imagine a Trump x Hillary debate, will be pure gold.
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Pure honesty here:

Trump v. Hillary in the general election is the absolute best case scenario for America. Any other republican is so, so much worse.
 
I just watched the abridged version.

I...don't even know what to say. Honestly, what can be said? How can these people be the potential leaders of a country?

I want someone to seriously answer this question: Has there been any single election year with candidates this childish, immature, and bickering? I remember thinking that Romney of last election year was a joke, and he was, but in retrospect I see him as far more a legitimate candidate than anyone here.
 
dramatis said:
What I mean is that if Trump attacks Hillary directly with a sexist attack, people are going to rally around Hillary because she becomes the 'target', the 'symbol'.

And he carries his shit so long, man. Spent months stewing over Megyn Kelly to the point where it might have cost him Iowa because he didn't appear at the debate.

There's no question that Hillary can definitely hammer on Trump about women and minorities, which is definitely a strength for her. Especially since she has a history of public service about helping children and families while he was trying to bankrupt himself. The question is if Trump can honestly spin his words and deeds into something better than Hillary for the moderate audience. Which I don't think he can lol

Also people don't seem to realize how anything can raise people's hackles. When Hillary was running for senator there was a moment during the senator debate where her opponent walked over to her podium to hand her a sheet of paper and she looked uncomfortable, and the media said the dude invaded Hillary's personal space. (Well technically, he was trying to force the sheet of paper on her, so it looked really bad. A sheet of paper. lmao) Trump's probably not going to do that but his penchant for saying whatever he wants is going to bite him on the ass for this.
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A part of politics is seeing the world through other peoples eyes. Most American's aren't on the hard left, obsessed with identity politics vis a vis minorities, women, homosexuals and other categories of the new proletariat. The election will probably come down to what most elections boil down to - expected economic returns for voting for either of the two candidates. Its not clear trump is at a disadvantage here against Clinton considering his populist economic message.
 
Downhome said:
This really made me laugh for some reason...

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Gave me a chuckle too, man Trump is a boss at trolling.
 
Kathian said:
https://youtu.be/WqA2Hs5dTFM

Someone posted this on reddit. Trumps deal criticism is clearly not just a method of winning votes and he 100% calls the events in Iraq (ever it spreading to other countries).

The American left need to realise hes legit and not just a clown as laughing at him is going to put them at odds with a lot of Americans.
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Remarkably consistent, and I'm surprised no other Republican distanced themselves from the Iraq war.
 
I finally understand the appeal of Trump to many; when he went off on Jeb about 9/11 and the Iraq War I was blown away. I understand why people are attracted to him (often hateful and moronic people with no critical thinking skills) when he "says what everyone is afraid to". I was floored and pumped that he brought that up on a national stage and in South Carolina no less.

That said, he's a terrible person and would be a disaster as President. But man, that was a great moment
 
Trump cleaned house IMHO.

I wish he would have went a little further on Bush, tie them to the Saudi Royal family, Iraq had absolutely zero to do with 9/11, Obama ends up actually getting bin laden.

They might have cut his mic if he got that real though lol.
 
Am watching the Bernie and Clinton debate from last week. It's not just that's its duller but their really not debating the issues, policies or what they'll do. Clinton is the one talking about Sanders policies and he's defending them whilst Clinton doesn't actually seem to have a position.

When they do talk about issues its not exactly at an accessible level.
 
riverboatgambler said:
A part of politics is seeing the world through other peoples eyes. Most American's aren't on the hard left, obsessed with identity politics vis a vis minorities, women, homosexuals and other categories of the new proletariat. The election will probably come down to what most elections boil down to - expected economic returns for voting for either of the two candidates. Its not clear trump is at a disadvantage here against Clinton considering his populist economic message.
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Doesn't have much to do with the hard left.

Women aren't a minority, but they still have grievances that men ignore and are still looked down upon in many ways. Regardless of whether you are liberal or conservative, if a man tries to insinuate that a woman isn't fit for a job because of anything involving the usual things women are derided for—looks, age, weakness, temperament, etc.—women are going to see the exchange as a man insulting a woman for gender-related things and not on her record. They can also see him as rude, and as someone who doesn't acknowledge how hard it is to be a mother and work. Someone who doesn't share their values, who they can't trust to be fair to women and families. Someone who has bombast but no nuance in social settings. And so on.

Why would the young female vote for a sexist and racist because of his shabby economic rhetoric, when identity politics has become such a thing? If this guy actually openly insults another very accomplished woman, why would the older female vote for populist economic message when they can vote for historical female presidency, the pinnacle of what they have strived for in their fights for equal rights?

It would become the ultimate irony of voting for ideals, for sure.
 
Hopefully I can post more later if I have time but, Trump is most def moving along how I pretty much thought he would, which I broke down on Gaf months ago...

To clarify more of Trump's appeal, it has to do with his no holds barred off the cuff natural style. For better or worse. He simple speaks and acts like what many see as a normal person or every day guy, combined with being a mans man who takes no bullshit (which adds to the leadership perception). He completely dominated and basically said fuck you all I'm making the rules.

Its why even if hes says things that other candidates couldn't say he can and get away with it. They basically look it at it as Trump "keeping it real"...

Some may view his brashness in a negative light, but because hes spun it in such a way that it makes him look more like a leader (because hes controlling overall conversation) people are compelled to plug into that since the majority of people are followers by nature.

I do hope he wins the republican nomination instead. On the whole hes the best choice on that side of the fence. He probobly would do some good as well, though I would prefer Bernie for sure...
 
spock said:
Hopefully I can post more later if I have time but, Trump is most def moving along how I pretty much thought he would, which I broke down on Gaf months ago...

To clarify more of Trump's appeal, it has to do with his no holds barred off the cuff natural style. For better or worse. He simple speaks and acts like what many see as a normal person or every day guy, combined with being a mans man who takes no bullshit (which adds to the leadership perception). He completely dominated and basically said fuck you all I'm making the rules.

Its why even if hes says things that other candidates couldn't say he can and get away with it. They basically look it at it as Trump "keeping it real"...

Some may view his brashness in a negative light, but because hes spun it in such a way that it makes him look more like a leader (because hes controlling overall conversation) people are compelled to plug into that since the majority of people are followers by nature.

I do hope he wins the republican nomination instead. On the whole hes the best choice on that side of the fence. He probobly would do some good as well, though I would prefer Bernie for sure...
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I got this impression as well.

I also liked the fact that he does brought the topic of immigration, regardless if I agree with him or not, the social dialog on the topic is still important.
 
Kathian said:
https://youtu.be/WqA2Hs5dTFM

Someone posted this on reddit. Trumps deal criticism is clearly not just a method of winning votes and he 100% calls the events in Iraq (ever it spreading to other countries).

The American left need to realise hes legit and not just a clown as laughig at him is going to put them at odds with a lot of Americans.
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That video is just mind boggling amazing and I have few words to really express what I think about this. I'm gonna say a few things here, but please don't just jump on me and instead really think about this.

That video shows a certain level of vision and consistency on this issue that you just do not see from any other candidate running for president, republican or democrat. Not only that but here we have a guy running for the republican nomination and he is saying these things for all the world to see, in front of the media, being questioned about it, right along side the other republican candidates and one of which is the freakin' brother of the president he is hitting so hard from back when all of that was literally happening, and he is doing it right in the middle on the stage of a republican debate. What??? Then mix in with the little bit that what he wrote in the book before 9/11 even took place and it really starts to frame a picture of where he stands on all of those both back then, as well as today.

How in the world is Clinton to take the stage against Trump when he has this level of consistency and she even voted for the war to help make it happen in the first place. As recently back as 2008 when she was up against Obama even she defended her vote and still wasn't calling it a flat out "mistake". I don't think she even did that until the last year or two (she finally wrote in her , but she has said that she regretted what Bush did with the power she helped to give him. Either way, one thing she sure as hell didn't do is what Trump did at the debate last night. Even her, as a democrat, was afraid of hitting that issue that hard 2014 book that she got it wrong) out of fear of what republicans and more importantly independents would think of her because to win the presidency you know you more than likely need some of those on the opposing side, or at the very least those who fall right in them middle.

If it wasn't for Trump's comments on the southern border, illegal immigrants, and the temporary ban on Muslims many people here would be going INSANE being pro-Trump right now. That's without even mentioning the other completely untraditional things he also said last night such as having the guns to defend Planned Parenthood saying they do mostly positive things (which is true) and yet still saying he is against the abortion side of things that they take part in (which I believe he truly does believe now).

He has totally tossed the rulebook out the window. He is so strong on certain things that many democrats have been afraid to hit the topics as hard as he is now. During much of that debate last night he may as well have been a very strong democrat taking on all of the republicans. Then we have him here today making the rounds in the media, one show after the other, where he is openly doubling down on all of this.

There is no stopping him now, the nomination is his and there is nothing that is going to change that. Last night was a huge moment for Trump. The question now is just how many democrats, independents, did he sway by many of those folks finally hearing someone being that strong and fierce on an issue that many of them still hold so dearly to their hearts. Many people on all sides have been wanting someone in politics to express what many of them have voiced, and what many of them have kept bottled up inside, and now they have that guy. I predict we will see a noticeable increase in certain statistics in open primary states. That will be very interesting to see.

The most amazing thing of all isn't even that he said all that he did. I think what had even more impact is the fact that he did it while George W. Bush's brother was standing right there on the same stage at the exact same moment.
 
allan-bh said:
Primaries usually causes this, Hillary is also going more left because of Sanders's pressure on her.

But in general election Rubio has the appeal to take the independents and win. In fact looking at the Real Clear Politics average, he has the best performance against Hillary in the republican field.
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If you went by that philosophy Romney should have won and McCain should have won. They didn't because republicans couldn't care to get out and vote for those guys.
 
gamz said:
Huh? I really don't think gives a shit about any Bush dynasty. I'm pretty sure Trump is worth more then the Bush's anyway.
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Kathian said:
It's strange I don't find him particularly vicious. He was shouting down the usual nonsense. Bush was a terrible President, most acknowledge this and the fact is his administration resided over 9/11; Iraq; the economic crisis (which he was leaderless in) and he over saw the destruction of two US cities, one by natural disaster and another by economic disaster.

I still find if rather bizarre the establishment on both sides dont realise that maybe having family members of the last two Presidents before the sitting one was maybe a really bad strategy.
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The stuff Trump has said aren't tings that haven't been said by your average citizen, celebrity or even politician. It's how high the platform and position that Trump is in that makes his words vicious. Most people in his position would recognize the influence that a Bush would or could have in the future and couch their comments with some tact. Trump don't care. It says a lot about who he is as a person born into wealth and privilege. Trump don't care and has no fear. But he should because this is politics and it can hurt in ways that you can't foresee. The Bush's didn't become who they are by chance.
 
Trump on Face the Nation now. They are asking if it was the best thing to do what he did last night was the best tactic and that he is pretty much speaking the democratic line. His response is he doesn't care what it sounds like, it's the truth, and he is completely doubling down on it all once again.
 
The more and more I see of Trump, the more I'm convinced that Hillary isn't a shoe-in if she gets the nomination. The whole election cycle has had an anti-establishment feel to it. Trump is making a fool of the GOP establishment, while Hillary comes across as just another slippery establishment politician. Trump has definitely alienated a lot of people, but Hillary isn't a particularly inspiring candidate. Fear of Trump will probably be a strong enough motivating factor to get people to the polls to vote for Hillary though. Such a weird election cycle this is.
 
ImNotSteven said:
I don't think speaking Spanish would really help either of them considering who they're trying to appeal to. It's like when Harry Potter spoke Parseltongue in front of the entire class.



Eh, depends on where you're from.
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The Rubio/Cruz Spanish Exchange makes me think of a low budget version of that Latin sayings battle between Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo in Tombstone. I wish Rubio had responded in Spanish, and him and Cruz went back and forth a few times, until Jeb! tried to jump in and they both stared at him. :)

And my husband says, "And Trump points at them and says, "We're gonna build a wall."
 
Downhome said:
That video is just mind boggling amazing and I have few words to really express what I think about this. I'm gonna say a few things here, but please don't just jump on me and instead really think about this.

That video shows a certain level of vision and consistency on this issue that you just do not see from any other candidate running for president, republican or democrat. Not only that but here we have a guy running for the republican nomination and he is saying these things for all the world to see, in front of the media, being questioned about it, right along side the other republican candidates and one of which is the freakin' brother of the president he is hitting so hard from back when all of that was literally happening, and he is doing it right in the middle on the stage of a republican debate. What??? Then mix in with the little bit that what he wrote in the book before 9/11 even took place and it really starts to frame a picture of where he stands on all of those both back then, as well as today.

How in the world is Clinton to take the stage against Trump when he has this level of consistency and she even voted for the war to help make it happen in the first place. As recently back as 2008 when she was up against Obama even she defended her vote and still wasn't calling it a flat out "mistake". I don't think she even did that until the last year or two (she finally wrote in her , but she has said that she regretted what Bush did with the power she helped to give him. Either way, one thing she sure as hell didn't do is what Trump did at the debate last night. Even her, as a democrat, was afraid of hitting that issue that hard 2014 book that she got it wrong) out of fear of what republicans and more importantly independents would think of her because to win the presidency you know you more than likely need some of those on the opposing side, or at the very least those who fall right in them middle.

If it wasn't for Trump's comments on the southern border, illegal immigrants, and the temporary ban on Muslims many people here would be going INSANE being pro-Trump right now. That's without even mentioning the other completely untraditional things he also said last night such as having the guns to defend Planned Parenthood saying they do mostly positive things (which is true) and yet still saying he is against the abortion side of things that they take part in (which I believe he truly does believe now).

He has totally tossed the rulebook out the window. He is so strong on certain things that many democrats have been afraid to hit the topics as hard as he is now. During much of that debate last night he may as well have been a very strong democrat taking on all of the republicans. Then we have him here today making the rounds in the media, one show after the other, where he is openly doubling down on all of this.

There is no stopping him now, the nomination is his and there is nothing that is going to change that. Last night was a huge moment for Trump. The question now is just how many democrats, independents, did he sway by many of those folks finally hearing someone being that strong and fierce on an issue that many of them still hold so dearly to their hearts. Many people on all sides have been wanting someone in politics to express what many of them have voiced, and what many of them have kept bottled up inside, and now they have that guy. I predict we will see a noticeable increase in certain statistics in open primary states. That will be very interesting to see.

The most amazing thing of all isn't even that he said all that he did. I think what had even more impact is the fact that he did it while George W. Bush's brother was standing right there on the same stage at the exact same moment.
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Trump is amazingly consistent for someone who's been in the public eye for so long.

Replace Japan and the interview could've been conducted today.
 
DroidDev said:
The more and more I see of Trump, the more I'm convinced that Hillary isn't a shoe-in if she gets the nomination. The whole election cycle has had an anti-establishment feel to it. Trump is making a fool of the GOP establishment, while Hillary comes across as just another slippy establishment politician. Trump has definitely alienated a lot of people, but Hillary isn't a particularly inspiring candidate. Fear of Trump will probably be a strong enough motivating factor to get people to the polls to vote for Hillary though. Such a weird election cycle this is.
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The fear of Trump is going to quickly lessen once he wins the nomination and then in the general he starts to slide more and more to the middle and to the left on certain issues, just like he already has started to do a little bit. There will of course be people out there with that incredible fear, but it's not going to be anywhere close to what it is now.

Ted Cruz is having a bad morning. Marco Rubio is on FTN right now agreeing with Trump and calling Cruz a liar, then Trump put this out this morning, lol...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/214989/right-stuff-ted-cruz

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Downhome said:
The fear of Trump is going to quickly lessen once he wins the nomination and then in the general he starts to slide more and more to the middle and to the left on certain issues, just like he already has started to do a little bit. There will of course be people out there with that incredible fear, but it's not going to be anywhere close to what it is now.

Ted Cruz is having a bad morning. Marco Rubio is on FTN right now agreeing with Trump and calling Cruz a liar, then Trump put this out this morning, lol...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/214989/right-stuff-ted-cruz

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Done.
 
Mrs. Manky said:
The Rubio/Cruz Spanish Exchange makes me think of a low budget version of that Latin sayings battle between Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo in Tombstone. I wish Rubio had responded in Spanish, and him and Cruz went back and forth a few times, until Jeb! tried to jump in and they both stared at him. :)
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The sad thing is that Jeb! speaks Spanish far more fluently than those jokers.
 
Real Hero said:
his mother is better than him
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numble said:
She should be running for President instead of Jeb.
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Also, the narrative around Jeb Bush is that he's a pampered rich guy who's relied on his family to get where he is... so when he talks about how strong his mother is, saying "she should be running" in response just kind of reinforces the image of a mama's boy who needs to turn to his much more powerful mother to get things done for him, not a grown-up who makes his own decisions and can lead others.
 
Plinko said:
Pure honesty here:

Trump v. Hillary in the general election is the absolute best case scenario for America. Any other republican is so, so much worse.
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Yeah these are probably the two most moderate candidates of the group... at least that have any chance anyway. Kasich seems to make the most sense from the GOP but he's not really got a shot in hell.

As much as Trump is up there running his mouth about this and that, I actually think half of what he's spouting off about is just him playing to the base, and not stuff that he actually feels strongly about.

Bush should just bail at this point. No one wants another Bush. Jeb! didn't wait long enough for the stink of his brother to wash off the nation, so no matter how much money is keeping him in this thing, the polls are going to continue to reflect that no one wants another one of his sorry ass family in the White House.

Cruz and Rubio are more frightening than anyone else up there. They actually believe their own bullshit. Like I said, I think Trump is a smart enough businessman that when he doesn't have the wind blowing in his sails he'll change tactics.

If it's Hillary vs. Trump then it's gonna be moderately liberal establishment candidate vs. moderately conservative anti-establishment candidate.

Hopefully SCOTUS will swing 5-4 liberal, and hopefully enough people get out to the polls to turn Congress toward the Democratic side.
 
All these establishment Republicans are saying Jeb won the debate and Rubio looked stellar.
They think Trump crossed a line by saying mostly correct things about Bush the 2nd and they feel his refusal to throw Planned Parenthood under the bus will cost him.
I'm not sure I watched the same debate these journalists did.
 
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