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[Bgamer90]

I have to admit, if I chose Xbone over PS4, I would not be happy about this. For me, the primary reason to own a console is its exclusives. This is the reason why I am extremely disappointed with the Vita. For others, this doesn't matter and that's fine but it matters a lot to me. I would hope that Microsoft does something for their fans acknowledging that this does matter to a lot of people. Some things that they can do are making Xbox Live free and making the Xbox instant game collection better (like the PS3 golden age).

I bought the Xbox One first over the PS4 back in 2013 due to exclusives and if I cared about PC gaming, I wouldn't have bought an Xbox One until probably late 2014 (and would have just stuck with my Wii U for console gaming until then).

Since I'm not a PC gamer though, nothing is really lost for me with this. The reasons for me getting an Xbox One first are still there. There's more games coming to XB1 that won't be on PS4 that I'm interested in in comparison to the vice versa. I'm happy I have all three consoles but my Xbox One is still getting more play due to my preference for action games (the various Xbox action titles that aren't on PS4), sports games (EA Access), and racers (Forza).

Since I have a PC, this is good news for me. As a PS4 owner there are some good looking Xbox games that I can play now (Scalebound, Crackdown, Gears 4, Halo 5 - assuming they all go to PC). I guess this is good for MS since they will see money that they could never see from me before.

Yep.

I don't know what Microsoft's plan is and I don't know where they'll go from here but I think their recent announcement that they will no longer provide sales numbers and will only provide "engagement numbers" is a signal that they don't care too much about the Xbox hardware but care more about Xbox as a platform.

Well them no longer providing sales numbers is more so due to the numbers not looking good in comparison to the PS4. This cross platform push though is a good way to hide that fact; They pretty much planned this at a perfect time (even though it's still not the ideal position to be in).

 

[Black Mantis]

Lets not kid ourselves, vast majority of people buy Gold to play online. GwG was oh do we have to from Microsoft as they were given customers sod all else for years and laughing. Sony was doing well with PS+ which must have been a factor. If you're going to buy a sub, it looked more of value.

Doesn't matter what you're buying it for and why it was added, it's still a valid reason why Xbox gamers will pay and pc gamers won't.

 

[Bessy67]

Doesn't matter what you're buying it for and why it was added, it's still a valid reason why Xbox gamers will pay and pc gamers won't.

It's still completely ridiculous that if a person has a PC and an Xbox and they own Killer Instinct (cross buy, cross play) they can play online on PC for free but if they want to play online on their Xbox they have to pay. Same game, same online features, but one is free and one has a paywall. They have to fix that, and IMO the best way to do it is to make MP free on Xbox and offer a subscription for Games with Gold and Deals with Gold on PC

 

[Bitch Pudding]

More new IPs due to less risk, and free crossplay/games isn't a positive?

More IPs because less risk because they'll try to sell a couple of units more via their MS store on PC which has the same level of attraction like Windows phone?

No, Sir. This move is damage control, not the way into a beautiful future where many new games are exclusively released on XBOX platforms.

Hence, it's not "bad" news for anyone, it's cool for those not owning an XBOX One, but it is in no possible way "great" for XBOX owners. People really believing in this new "vision" are the same people who understood MS' original (and failed) vision for XBOX One from the get-go.

 

[Sydle]

More IPs because less risk because they'll try to sell a couple of units more via their MS store on PC which has the same level of attraction like Windows phone?

No, Sir. This move is damage control, not the way into a beautiful future where many new games are exclusively released on XBOX platforms.

Hence, it's not "bad" news for anyone, it's cool for those not owning an XBOX One, but it is in no possible way "great" for XBOX owners. People really believing in this new "vision" are the same people who understood MS' original (and failed) vision for XBOX One from the get-go.

Playing your Xbox games anywhere was a 2015 goal on their leaked Road to Fortaleza doc from 2012. Additionally, Nadella said he was going to use Xbox for his mobile first, cloud first vision back in mid 2014, when he sent out his first memo to the company. Spencer talked about it in a bit more detail at GDC in March 2015 and Nadella mentioned it all again in June 2015.

It's been a long time coming.

 

[Bgamer90]

More IPs because less risk because they'll try to sell a couple of units more via their MS store on PC which has the same level of attraction like Windows phone?

I don't understand this comparison. Windows Phone was a phone brand. Different games have various levels of interest from various gamers.

I don't see how form of distribution would cause various games to get automatically grouped together with the exact same level of interest as Windows Phone got.

Hence, it's not "bad" news for anyone, it's cool for those not owning an XBOX One, but it is in no possible way "great" for XBOX owners. People really believing in this new "vision" are the same people who understood MS' original (and failed) vision for XBOX One from the get-go.

I don't understand this comparison either.

 

[Rurunaki]

Wait.. Scalebound is also coming to PC? Losing reason to keep my xb1.. Might as well do a trade in for NX at this point..

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'm interested in knowing how MS is gonna duplicate XBLG success on PC. What could they possibly do to make PC gamers purchase live subscriptions?

Nothing.

Microsoft tried doing this with GFW Live and it was basically DOA.

 

[Atomski]

Not a clue.

PC gamers are some of the most difficult to please gamers out there, demanding the best visuals, audio etc which naturally comes with the territory. So whatever it is MS intends to do to ensure this segment remains profitable and grows.. It better be something that impresses and offers phenomenal value for money.

Not all of PC gamers are the same broh.. Same with console gamers.

That said XBL will never take off on PC. Its one reason some gamers have moved away from consoles (well one of the reasons i have) Throwing subscription plans on internet gaming as a whole is just crazy. They tried it once and it failed they would be crazy to try again. The fact that theres only a handful of games on PC that would use it would mean people just wouldn't play those games.

 

[Bsigg12]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'm interested in knowing how MS is gonna duplicate XBLG success on PC. What could they possibly do to make PC gamers purchase live subscriptions?

They won't. At best I could see them actually adding PC games to Gold as a reason for people on PC to get it.

I wouldn't be surprised if at GDC we hear some plans for a rebuild of the Windows Store to really emphasis these big PC games and not just the phone games mixed in to help make the store more attractive to publishers and developers. Hopefully it will also add support for crossbuy as well.

 

[akira28]

I don't really see it as a bad thing, but it definitely makes me less likely to buy any future console from MS. And it's pretty shitty that they're going to keep charging a subscription from console owners when PC owners are getting the same experience with most of the same games for free.

a lot goes into the making of these personal computing game rigs, so Microsoft realizing this in their attempt to share console and pc gaming under the same aegis makes some good sense.

 

[etta]

More IPs because less risk because they'll try to sell a couple of units more via their MS store on PC which has the same level of attraction like Windows phone?

No, Sir. This move is damage control, not the way into a beautiful future where many new games are exclusively released on XBOX platforms.

Hence, it's not "bad" news for anyone, it's cool for those not owning an XBOX One, but it is in no possible way "great" for XBOX owners. People really believing in this new "vision" are the same people who understood MS' original (and failed) vision for XBOX One from the get-go.

Pshh, yea, right.
Windows 10 is only going to grow, meaning the potential userbase will do the same (>100 M total now), especially since there will be no Windows 11, 12...etc, it will just be features added to 10.
Some of these issues with the closed app system can be fixed, it's not like they will ignore everyone asking for basic things like monitoring performance or being able to disable V-sync and enable fullscreen.
As for those afraid they'll lose they licenses in the future, this isn't the same Microsoft. They are all about service now, Office, Azure, Xbox...etc, licenses are the main avenue between them and customers when they are service-focused. If licenses are ever compromised then the whole system comes crumbling to the ground.

 

[Birgitte2004]

This has nothing to do with Right or wrong? If people want to avoid paying for Xbox live, they can build a PC...

MS will be happy either way.

Console gamers have more people to populate their online games

PC gamers have more AAA games to play.

This is bad for no one.

Bad for no one is not the title of this thread.

And I still haven't seen a compelling case to be made for how this is "great for Xbox One owners".

Blindly believing in more IP releases for Xbox One is a stretch at best. There is nothing stopping all of these PC titles from releasing on Xbox One now, but they are not doing so.

If you can point me to the huge list of IPs Microsoft themselves are sitting on that they want to release on Xbox One but are too risk averse to do so, I'd love to see it.

As-is I think this is just something some people really wish were true, with basically no supporting evidence.

 

[W.S.]

Bad for no one is not the title of this thread.

And I still haven't seen a compelling case to be made for how this is "great for Xbox One owners".

Blindly believing in more IP releases for Xbox One is a stretch at best. There is nothing stopping all of these PC titles from releasing on Xbox One now, but they are not doing so.

If you can point me to the huge list of IPs Microsoft themselves are sitting on that they want to release on Xbox One but are too risk averse to do so, I'd love to see it.

As-is I think this is just something some people really wish were true, with basically no supporting evidence.

I don't think we'll be getting a bigger influx of IP's right away either, it'll take at a couple of years to see if that really becomes the case.

E3 and Gamescom aren't too far away so it'll be interesting to see what MS brings to Xbox fans after all the PC stuff is out of the way.

 

[Trup1aya]

Bad for no one is not the title of this thread.

And I still haven't seen a compelling case to be made for how this is "great for Xbox One owners".

Blindly believing in more IP releases for Xbox One is a stretch at best. There is nothing stopping all of these PC titles from releasing on Xbox One now, but they are not doing so.

If you can point me to the huge list of IPs Microsoft themselves are sitting on that they want to release on Xbox One but are too risk averse to do so, I'd love to see it.

As-is I think this is just something some people really wish were true, with basically no supporting evidence.

How is it a stretch to suggest that more gaming revenue will lead to more gaming investments...

If MS sells more software by having their games available across two platforms, then not only will they bring more Xbox games to Windows, but they'll have more money to make more games in general.

 

[etta]

Boogie's take on how exclusivity is a concept created by these companies to make you think it's a good thing.

"There shouldn't be an incentive to consume media on a certain plastic box, media should be able to be consumed by everyone on any platform"
"Compares it to how anti-consumer it would be for there to be specific DVD players that each had exclusive movies"

 

[Lys Skygge]

Boogie's take on how exclusivity is a concept created by these companies to make you think it's a good thing.

"There shouldn't be an incentive to consume media on a certain plastic box, media should be able to be consumed by everyone on any platform"
"Compares it to how anti-consumer it would be for there to be specific DVD players that each had exclusive movies"

Though not exactly with DVDs, we are seeing streaming services use exclusivity to their advantage with movies and TV shows.

 

[etta]

Though not exactly with DVDs, we are seeing streaming services use exclusivity to their advantage with movies and TV shows.

Yes he went over that, with Apple TV having exclusives and such.
I think he raises a good point. This concept of exclusivity was created by the company man for profit, not created by the consumers. It's strange how the company has managed to trick so many of us into thinking it's a good thing to have to come into their playground to enjoy media (aka capitalism lol).

 

[SteamyPunk]

MS clearly hopes that their store would eventually become a beast that could compete with Steam. What do you think their strategy is to get there? What would yours be? Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can't help but imagine a bunch of guys in suits arguing that they need LoL and CSGO clones. I'm worried MS will go heavy on F2P games. And maybe it would work with the Minecraft and Halo IPs? I don't think merely releasing the usual XBOX games on their PC store will get them where they want to be. The competition is too fierce.

 

[Trup1aya]

MS clearly hopes that their store would eventually become a beast that could compete with Steam. What do you think their strategy is to get there? What would yours be? Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can't help but imagine a bunch of guys in suits arguing that they need LoL and CSGO clones. I'm worried MS will go heavy on F2P games. And maybe it would work with the Minecraft and Halo IPs? I don't think merely releasing the usual XBOX games on their PC store will get them where they want to be. The competition is too fierce.

Going toe to toe with Steam is a nice end goal, but I think they will be content with increasing the profit margin on there software releases and growing their Win10 store and XBL usage until then.

 

[Sydle]

MS clearly hopes that their store would eventually become a beast that could compete with Steam. What do you think their strategy is to get there? What would yours be? Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can't help but imagine a bunch of guys in suits arguing that they need LoL and CSGO clones. I'm worried MS will go heavy on F2P games. And maybe it would work with the Minecraft and Halo IPs? I don't think merely releasing the usual XBOX games on their PC store will get them where they want to be. The competition is too fierce.

I think it's more about creating a Store/Platform to compete with other OS. Why exhaust any energy trying to fight one of the biggest reasons a gamer uses Windows?

 

[mcrommert]

Hope games like destiny and the division get pc/xbox releases. Would still be able to play with my friends on xbox...but would have superior graphics.

This is the point.

For reference as of right now the games on xbox do not need to be modified in any way to play on pc/xbox store

 

[Pantaghana]

Hope games like destiny and the division get pc/xbox releases. Would still be able to play with my friends on xbox...but would have superior graphics.

This is the point.

For reference as of right now the games on xbox do not need to be modified in any way to play on pc/xbox store

Unless I'm misinformed, to allow crossplay MS demands that third parties to use MS servers, third parties aren't comfortable with that.
And I don't see MS dropping that demand.

 

[notaskwid]

Hope games like destiny and the division get pc/xbox releases. Would still be able to play with my friends on xbox...but would have superior graphics.

This is the point.

For reference as of right now the games on xbox do not need to be modified in any way to play on pc/xbox store

Proof? Do you mean that the xbox version of a game works on pc without additional work? If that's the case, why would Remedy say that they delayed the game so they could release PC and Xbox one version at the same time?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Boogie's take on how exclusivity is a concept created by these companies to make you think it's a good thing.

"There shouldn't be an incentive to consume media on a certain plastic box, media should be able to be consumed by everyone on any platform"
"Compares it to how anti-consumer it would be for there to be specific DVD players that each had exclusive movies"

That's a dumb Idea, video games are not the same as DVD. With this thinking we shouldn't have game which takes advantage of VR, PC games should be playable on 10 years old laptop and on mobile too, stuff like Wii Sport, Singstar, Eye Toy, Kinect Sport wouldn't exist etc..

Anyways exclusives from a platform holder are a net good, either they exist to sell a console (and a store with MS) or they just don't.

 

[ekim]

Proof? Do you mean that the xbox version of a game works on pc without additional work? If that's the case, why would Remedy say that they delayed the game so they could release PC and Xbox one version at the same time?

When did they say this?

 

[etta]

That's a dumb Idea, video games are not the same as DVD. With this thinking we shouldn't have game which takes advantage of VR, PC games should be playable on 10 years old laptop, stuff like Wii Sport, Singstar, Eye Toy, Kinect Sport wouldn't exist etc..

You didn't quite grasp the concept.
He's saying media should exist on all the platforms that can play it. This doesn't mean that developers shouldn't push new technologies just because they are incompatible with old platforms. If PC had motion/nunchuck support, Wii Sports should release on PC, too.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

You didn't quite grasp the concept.
He's saying media should exist on all the platforms that can play it. This doesn't mean that developers shouldn't push new technologies just because they are incompatible with old platforms. If PC had motion/nunchuck support, Wii Sports should release on PC, too.

He never actually said that, he even says that he hates that there's PC exclusives, which wouldn't make sense with what you're saying since most PC exclusives aren't easily playable with a controller. And he said several times that everyone should be able to play a game no matter the platform.

 

[mcrommert]

Unless I'm misinformed, to allow crossplay MS demands that third parties to use MS servers, third parties aren't comfortable with that.
And I don't see MS dropping that demand.

They are comfortable with it on xbox one

EDIT: And i would think eventually the 360 emulator would make its way to pc but with digital only games. There are plenty of games that have better populations than their pc counterparts on 360 and plenty of games that dont exist on pc

 

[Team Andromeda]

Wait.. Scalebound is also coming to PC? Losing reason to keep my xb1.. Might as well do a trade in for NX at this point..

I really don't get this view at all. When a PC exclusive like Dirt Rally comes to the consoles, do you think its time to get rid of the PC ? . To me its more of a big deal when a console exclusive goes to a rival console like Code Veronica to the PS2 back inthe day. That was more a big deal than the likes of SEGA porting a lot of their DC games to PC as well

 

[notaskwid]

When did they say this?

Can't find it, probably just read someone saying that was the reason and assumed it was, my bad.
Still: https://twitter.com/remedygames/status/697794314634711041
They actually announced that it's "developed in house", so my point still stands.

 

[Sydle]

Can't find it, probably just read someone saying that was the reason and assumed it was.
Still: https://twitter.com/remedygames/status/697794314634711041
They actually announced that it's "developed in house", so my point still stands.

Never mind that Remedy are notorious for delays.

At GDC last year Phil had some folks come on stage to talk about how they were able to get their games running on Windows 10 PC's with very little effort. For some games it's a matter of hitting a checkbox in the compiler and for others there will be more work involved, but MS is trying to make it as easy as possible to use most of the same base code for multiple screens.

 

[notaskwid]

Never mind that Remedy are notorious for delays.

Well, that user was saying that porting from Xbox to Windows 10 required no additional work, that's why I'm posting this.

 

[mcrommert]

Well, that user was saying that porting from Xbox to Windows 10 required no additional work, that's why I'm posting this.

Ignore my post...supposition only

 

[etta]

He never actually said that, he even says that he hates that there's PC exclusives, which wouldn't make sense with what you're saying since most PC exclusives aren't easily playable with a controller. And he said several times that everyone should be able to play a game no matter the platform.

I dunno how else to say it, you're still missing the point.

 

[Zedox]

Well, that user was saying that porting from Xbox to Windows 10 required no additional work, that's why I'm posting this.

It does require work but it won't be as much. Using UWP you can make a XBO and PC game at the same time (and phone) but they haven't released all that code to 3rd parties (expect that at //build/ conference). So MS (it seems) got the code later than expected and delayed the game to build and TEST (yall don't realize how much testing takes up game development...well some) and ready for release. It seems like to me that recently they were able to confirm that they would be able to hit the same day and date with the PC version. They always knew the PC version was coming, but they didn't know when (hence why it was a XBO exclusive).

But yes, basically, you will expect games made with UWP being able to be ported easier over XBO and PC. You are technically using the same code for each platform but the things you have to do for each will be minimal compared to what developers are used to doing.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I dunno how else to say it, you're still missing the point.

Kind of hard not to miss the point when it's never actually addressed in the video.

 

[LukasTaves]

Playing your Xbox games anywhere was a 2015 goal on their leaked Road to Fortaleza doc from 2012. Additionally, Nadella said he was going to use Xbox for his mobile first, cloud first vision back in mid 2014, when he sent out his first memo to the company. Spencer talked about it in a bit more detail at GDC in March 2015 and Nadella mentioned it all again in June 2015.

It's been a long time coming.

Yeah, and actually Ms has been talking about and trying to do this even way before even that. Remember the "Three Screens and a Cloud" strategy from 2009?

Or even before that, I think everyone who's saying this is a reaction to xbone sales should see this 2006 when they announced Live Anywhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myol5k7qb_c

"A single marketplace no matter what device"

"All your games available everywhere"

Does all that ring a bell?

 

[Helznicht]

For reference as of right now the games on xbox do not need to be modified in any way to play on pc/xbox store

Not sure you mean what i think you said. Xbox game software would have to be modified for it to run on PC. The memory architectures are vastly different, and well as slightly different CPU architectures.

 

[Mass Effect]

Yes he went over that, with Apple TV having exclusives and such.
I think he raises a good point. This concept of exclusivity was created by the company man for profit, not created by the consumers. It's strange how the company has managed to trick so many of us into thinking it's a good thing to have to come into their playground to enjoy media (aka capitalism lol).

Is it really "tricking?" I'm as pro-consumer as it gets, but these companies are in no way obligated to share their curated content. Seems pretty straight-forward to me; if you want their exclusive content, you need to invest in their product. These companies are spending millions on such exclusive content after all, and not without risk.

 

[cyber_ninja]

Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for PC gamers, as for Xbone only Players it makes no difference at the very least or makes it worse. PC gamers get the performance boost and don't have to pay to play online. On top of that if a person has a capable PC and Xbone, then Xbone becomes obsolete and can be sold or traded in with no regrets.
To me it seems that MS is turning Xbox into service at the expense of Xbox console.

 

[Shenmue]

Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for PC gamers, as for Xbone only Players it makes no difference at the very least or makes it worse. PC gamers get the performance boost and don't have to pay to play online. On top of that if a person has a capable PC and Xbone, then Xbone becomes obsolete and can be sold or traded in with no regrets.
To me it seems that MS is turning Xbox into service at the expense of Xbox console.

How does it make it worse though even if they can sell it? Wouldn't that be even better if they are in a position to sell it and get some more money for games?

For the person who ONLY owns an Xbox they would obviously keep it and still get all the games they were gonna get. On top of that they'll likely have more people to keep the online components of these games alive for longer. They'll get a PC version of the game to do with how they wish. They'll benefit if these games get sequels because of improved performance.

Please explain how this would be bad for Xbox owners? If you want to say it's at worst a neutral for Xbox owners, I'm ok with that.

 

[cyber_ninja]

How does it make it worse though even if they can sell it? Wouldn't that be even better if they are in a position to sell it and get some more money for games?

For the person who ONLY owns an Xbox they would obviously keep it and still get all the games they were gonna get. On top of that they'll likely have more people to keep the online components of these games alive for longer. They'll get a PC version of the game to do with how they wish. They'll benefit if these games get sequels because of improved performance.

Please explain how this would be bad for Xbox owners? If you want to say it's at worst a neutral for Xbox owners, I'm ok with that.

Why? Because PC port will receive a boost in graphics and performance. On top of that PC crowd gets to enjoy MP free of charge. That's why. Dunno about you Pal, but I'd feel a little upset if I purchased a product and then found out that I was ripped off because I paid more for less.

 

[Shenmue]

Why? Because PC port will receive a boost in graphics and performance. On top of that PC crowd gets to enjoy MP free of charge. That's why. Dunno about you Pal, but I'd feel a little upset if I purchased a product and then found out was ripped off because I paid more for less.

Again how does that change anything with respect to what Xbox owners already had? If it wasn't bad then how is it suddenly bad now?

1) PC has ALWAYS had games that were also on the Xbox tha had a boost in graphics and performance.

2) PC crowd has ALWAYS been able to enjoy MP free of charge.

3) None of any of this changes the fact that Xbox players have ALWAYS had to pay to play online and have always had graphics and performance be on a lower level than PC.

What you just described, if anything would be a positive for current Xbox owners. For the Xbox owner that either has a PC already or can afford to build one, they now have the option to either continue playing on their Xbox or sell their Xbox for some extra expendable cash and go PC and still get many of their favorite Xbox games.

 

[icespide]

Why? Because PC port will receive a boost in graphics and performance. On top of that PC crowd gets to enjoy MP free of charge. That's why. Dunno about you Pal, but I'd feel a little upset if I purchased a product and then found out was ripped off because I paid more for less.

The Xbox One version will be the same even if the PC version didn't exist and you'd still have to pay for online. The game existing on PC doesn't make the Xbox One situation worse

 

[cyber_ninja]

Again how does that change anything with respect to what Xbox owners already had? If it wasn't bad then how is it suddenly bad now?

1) PC has ALWAYS had games that were also on the Xbox tha had a boost in graphics and performance.

2) PC crowd has ALWAYS been able to enjoy MP free of charge.

What you just described, if anything would be a positive for current Xbox owners. For the Xbox owner that either has a PC already or can afford to build one, they now have the option to either continue playing on their Xbox or sell their Xbox for some extra expendable cash and go PC and still get many of their favorite Xbox games.

The Xbox One version will be the same even if the PC version didn't exist and you'd still have to pay for online. The game existing on PC doesn't make the Xbox One situation worse

Don't know about you guys but I always try to get the best bang for the money I spent. If you think it's OK to get less for more then it's up to you. As for me I hate to be ripped off.

If PC crowd has ALWAYS been able to enjoy MP free of charge then why the fuck the same company charges its other customers for the same service?

Yes there might be positives for Xbox owners in a long run but it remains to be seen, but if I was an xbox only gamer I'd be pretty upset because I have to pay the same amount of money as other guys and get less.

I have no time at the moment to go back and forth with you guys and I don't want to at the moment. I've stated my opinion and that's it. Agree or disagree it's up to you.

 

[icespide]

Don't know about you guys but I always try to get the best bang for the money I spent. If you think it's OK to get less for more then it's up to you. As for me I hate to be ripped off.

If PC crowd has ALWAYS been able to enjoy MP free of charge then why the fuck the same company charges its other customers for the same service?

Yes there might be positives for Xbox owners in a long run but it remains to be seen, but if I was an xbox only gamer I'd be pretty upset because I have to pay the same amount of money as other guys and get less.

I have no time at the moment to go back and forth with you guys and I don't want to at the moment. I've stated my opinion and that's it. Agree or disagree it's up to you.

how is this any different than any of the other several PC ports of console games? Why aren't you mad about every PC port?

 

[Bgamer90]

Don't know about you guys but I always try to get the best bang for the money I spent. If you think it's OK to get less for more then it's up to you. As for me I hate to be ripped off.

If PC crowd has ALWAYS been able to enjoy MP free of charge then why the fuck the same company charges its other customers for the same service?

Yes there might be positives for Xbox owners in a long run but it remains to be seen, but if I was an xbox only gamer I'd be pretty upset because I have to pay the same amount of money as other guys and get less.

I have no time at the moment to go back and forth with you guys and I don't want to at the moment. I've stated my opinion and that's it. Agree or disagree it's up to you.

What people are saying though is that the current PS4 and Xbox One userbase pays to play games online that are available on PC to play online for free anyway. Therefore, if you are (say) a regular NBA 2K or Call of Duty console player then why would you get mad now?

 

[cyber_ninja]

how is this any different than any of the other several PC ports of console games?

Because MS owns both Win10 and Xbone.

 

[cyber_ninja]

What people are saying though is that the current PS4 and Xbox One userbase pays to play games online that are available on PC to play online for free anyway. Therefore, if you are (say) a regular NBA 2K or Call of Duty console player then why would you get mad now?

Because those game aren't owned by the platform holder and they aren't exclusive. I buy systems because of exclusives. Platform without exclusives holds no value in my book, especially when better versions of those so-called exclusive are available on another platform. If i have a PC and Xbone , Xbone is irrelevant as it could possibly be. To me it would hold no value. If I was an Xbox only gamer then it would be a different story, but I'd still be upset because I bought a system to play exclusives only to find out that those games aren't exclusive anymore and i got inferior version of them.