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[rav]

It hurts xbone in the sense that I no longer need an xbone to play Gears. That's a -1 for MS in console sales and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

Why though? It's still MS exclusive. -- And to all of the early adopters, it isn't a bad thing either, you've had exclusivity this whole time you've had the XB1 (Myself included, day one here -- but I don't play my XB1 much)

The point here, is you now have more options on MS platforms. I think that's a good thing. You're not losing anything. If anything, these games and XB1 are going to gain more exposure due to having some titles on Windows.

 

[Bgamer90]

It hurts xbone in the sense that I no longer need an xbone to play Gears. That's a -1 for MS in console sales and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

You still have to give MS money in their own ecosystem to play the game though.

And (again and for the last time haha) the majority of console gamers do not care about PC gaming. The game will still be viewed as an exclusive to them since it's not on Nintendo or PlayStation.

 

[vcc]

I didn't say XB1 and Windows 10 are the exact same.. Even when you try to point that out its irrelevant. Ok so not all 3rd party games are going to be on the windows store... And??? What does that matter to my points hell that doesn't even matter to your point. Your argument is essentially that things are changing so it must be bad. Nothing. Nothing has changed for an XB1 owner. There are PC gamers that are going to pay for QB, Sea of Theives, Gears etc. That doesn't hurt XB1. Almost every point you have made is irrelevant to your claim that this spells doom for Xbox hardware, gamers etc.

This goes back to why platform holders make exclusives at all. To make their platform more attractive and to prop up the value proposition.

The value proposition of the XB1 is not influenced by the value proposition of windows 10. As I noted, many folks are tying them together but it doesn't make any sense.

Taking several major first party games, and making them multi-platform hurts the value proposition of the XB1, it has fewer unique things that make it worth being on that platform. The other platform being W10 doesn't mean anything to XB1. In the long term it will be a loss of some percentage of future console sales.

MS is aware of this and seem okay with it, the extra money made from the PC sales of those games and the push for the W10 store seems to be worth more than the loss of XB1 customers and potentially XB1 consumer ill will.

That's a very strong signal of a change in priorities.

Again this move is 'unprecedented' (almost, hudson did this too when the tg16 was dying, they put bonk out for the SNES). As such is a bold move but it's tough to portray it as anything but negative for folks who own a XB1. There are now less reasons to be on that platform.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

You still have to give MS money in their own ecosystem to play the game though.

And (again and for the last time haha) the majority of console gamers do not care about PC gaming. The game will still be viewed as an exclusive to them since it's not on Nintendo or PlayStation.

Again this: "you give money to MS". Yes, your money goes to MS, but you dont' buy an Xbone. Why would they keep manufacturing the consoles if majority of their sales move to PC? That is the actual question. It's not about MS's wealth or sales, it's more about the question would this move hurt Xbox CONSOLE or not. If the sales drop to abysmally low, would they even make the Xbox Two? If the sales are infernal, why would they continue to support the console as it would be cheaper to concentrate on Win 10 on PC?

 

[Ol No Bones]

This goes back to why platform holders make exclusives at all. To make their platform more attractive and to prop up the value proposition.

The value proposition of the XB1 is not influenced by the value proposition of windows 10. As I noted, many folks are tying them together but it doesn't make any sense.

Taking several major first party games, and making them multi-platform hurts the value proposition of the XB1, it has fewer unique things that make it worth being on that platform. The other platform being W10 doesn't mean anything to XB1. In the long term it will be a loss of some percentage of future console sales.

MS is aware of this and seem okay with it, the extra money made from the PC sales of those games and the push for the W10 store seems to be worth more than the loss of XB1 customers and potentially XB1 consumer ill will.

That's a very strong signal of a change in priorities.

Again this move is 'unprecedented' (almost, hudson did this too when the tg16 was dying, they put bonk out for the SNES). As such is a bold move but it's tough to portray it as anything but negative for folks who own a XB1. There are now less reasons to be on that platform.

You still haven't explained this. Lol.

 

[Pathfinder]

It hurts xbone in the sense that I no longer need an xbone to play Gears. That's a -1 for MS in console sales and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

You'll still need to pay for a license to run Windows, and you'd still need to use their store to make the game purchase.

If you have a PC strong enough to run recent games, you can play the game there. If you don't, you can buy an Xbox One. Microsoft may lose out on some Xbox One sales, but software exposure would increase.

 

[Chobel]

How much did Titanfall sell on xb1?

A lot, Halo 5 like numbers. It sold +1M in its first month just in US.

 

[Zedox]

You still have to give MS money in their own ecosystem to play the game though.

And (again and for the last time haha) the majority of console gamers do not care about PC gaming. The game will still be viewed as an exclusive to them since it's not on Nintendo or PlayStation.

They pulled you back in. LOL.

Again this: "you give money to MS". Yes, your money goes to MS, but you dont' buy an Xbone. Why would they keep manufacturing the consoles if majority of their sales move to PC? That is the actual question. It's not about MS's wealth or sales, it's more about the question would this move hurt Xbox CONSOLE or not. If the sales drop to abysmally low, would they even make the Xbox Two? If the sales are infernal, why would they continue to support the console as it would be cheaper to concentrate on Win 10 on PC?

Aaaaaaaaaand that's a false assessment (that keeps going on and on and on). Majority of users would already be on the PC and users would just get MS for exclusives on XBO and we know that's not true as 3rd parties predominately "own" the charts year in and year out, month in and out. The console isn't going anywhere. The games aren't going anywhere. It's ok, I know you don't understand, many others are there that believe the same thing, as many or as few of you that there are...are wrong. Xbox console is safe. Relax...*rubs back*...it'll be ok. lolololol

 

[Ol No Bones]

Again this: "you give money to MS". Yes, your money goes to MS, but you dont' buy an Xbone. Why would they keep manufacturing the consoles if majority of their sales move to PC? That is the actual question. It's not about MS's wealth or sales, it's more about the question would this move hurt Xbox CONSOLE or not. If the sales drop to abysmally low, would they even make the Xbox Two? If the sales are infernal, why would they continue to support the console as it would be cheaper to concentrate on Win 10 on PC?

Lol. That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Do people really think there are millions ready to ditch their already purchased XB1s and buy MS exclusives on PC?

 

[Pathfinder]

Lol. That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Do people really think there are millions ready to ditch their already purchased XB1s and buy MS exclusives on PC?

Certainly seems so, even though it's a ridiculous notion.

Sure, there will be people who will sell their Xbox One's in favor of buying MS games on PC. But we're not talking millions of people.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

They pulled you back in. LOL.



Aaaaaaaaaand that's a false assessment (that keeps going on and on and on). Majority of users would already be on the PC and users would just get MS for exclusives on XBO and we know that's not true as 3rd parties predominately "own" the charts year in and year out, month in and out. The console isn't going anywhere. The games aren't going anywhere. It's ok, I know you don't understand, many others are there that believe the same thing, as many or as few of you that there are...are wrong. Xbox console is safe. Relax...*rubs back*...it'll be ok. lolololol

What makes you right then?

 

[Chobel]

Just playing devil's advocate here, the idea of exclusives is to sell the consoles and eventually sell software (3rd party games, non-gaming subscriptions...etc) on consoles. Plus, on PC MS is losing XBLG revenue.

 

[vcc]

You still haven't explained this. Lol.

Very simply, no exclusives mean fewer reasons to own a XB1 leading to fewer future sales. This hurts diminishes the odds of more games being made targeting the system specifically or that other publishers will consider it for more content since the platform holder has decided not to prioritize the system.

One of the other times a platform holder opted to do this was Hudson and the tg16 it was the death knell of the tg16.

 

[Zedox]

What makes you right then?

Let me say this. You think that all those gamers who didn't want the XBO for the launch price of $500, who went to PS4 and got it $400 because it was better bang for the buck (and DRM stuff), are going to leave their now MSRP $349 console (which would sell for around $200) to build PCs of the same caliber (since we want to talk equality here) of specs or even more (which is more likely) because exclusive titles are going to another MS store? Note that the games that they bought aren't compatible and they'll be starting from 0 games. Does that seem logical to you? Seriously logical?

 

[vcc]

Let me say this. You think that all those gamers who didn't want the XBO for the launch price of $500, who went to PS4 and got it $400 because it was better bang for the buck (and DRM stuff), are going to leave their now MSRP $349 console (which would sell for around $200) to build PCs of the same caliber (since we want to talk equality here) of specs or even more (which is more likely) because exclusive titles are going to another MS store? Note that the games that they bought aren't compatible and they'll be starting from 0 games. Does that seem logical to you? Seriously logical?

The XBO will coast along on it's momentum. It will just sell less than it could have and the games mentioned will sell more than they would have.

But it is the question being asked, why is MS okay with this? Their priorities have shifted. Get a better return on their Game Studio investment and push the Windows store but it all comes at the expense of the XB1 and that base.

 

[Trup1aya]

Non-halo title?

So, better selling than GTA V, Minecraft, Call of Duty: Black Ops III, Fallout 4, Madden 16?

I don't think that's a very realistic expectation.

We're talking about exclusives...

A lot, Halo 5 like numbers. It sold +1M in its first month just in US.

That doesn't sound like H5 numbers... Didn't H5 do like 1.5m physical week 1?

 

[Pathfinder]

The XBO will coast along on it's momentum. It will just sell less than it could have and the games mentioned will sell more than they would have.

But it is the question being asked, why is MS okay with this? Their priorities have shifted. Get a better return on their Game Studio investment and push the Windows store but it all comes at the expense of the XB1 and that base.

It's hard to say why they're ultimately okay with this. It could be the fact that they're losing to Sony this gen at an almost 2:1 ratio, or it could be the initiatives of their new CEO since Ballmer stepped down.

It could very well be equal parts both.

 

[Chobel]

We're talking about exclusives...

Titanfall, Killzone, Infamous all most likely will beat QB LTD, you can say certainly for Titanfall. No MP in QB will limit its sales.

We're talking about exclusives...



That doesn't sound like H5 numbers... Didn't H5 do like 1.5m physical week 1?

In US, no. It sold 830K-840K.

Anyway, Titanfall sold big numbers. Bar some miracle, QB sales aren't gonna reach anywhere near it.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Very simply, no exclusives mean fewer reasons to own a XB1 leading to fewer future sales. This hurts diminishes the odds of more games being made targeting the system specifically or that other publishers will consider it for more content since the platform holder has decided not to prioritize the system.

One of the other times a platform holder opted to do this was Hudson and the tg16 it was the death knell of the tg16.

You do realize the vast majority of console gamers have no intention of building a gaming rig and hooking it up to their TV so this means absolutely nothing for them. However there are lots of PC gamers who don't care for consoles and will give a go to some of these games. The overlap of people with a Capable PC and an XB1 is pretty small I guess and for many of them this is still a non issue as they have consoles on TV and a rig and monitor elsewhere. Your reasoning is as bad as Crapgamer "cancelling" his preorder because QB is now on PC. XB1 owners still didn't lose anything. Your reasoning is only valid if they were releasing these titles on competing platforms, but they aren't.

Also, you didn't explain how this is bad for Xbox One owners. You seem to be making arguments for how this could influence the Xbox brand but nothing you have said effects an XB1 owner negatively. Nothing changed for them.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Let me say this. You think that all those gamers who didn't want the XBO for the launch price of $500, who went to PS4 and got it $400 because it was better bang for the buck (and DRM stuff), are going to leave their now MSRP $349 console (which would sell for around $200) to build PCs of the same caliber (since we want to talk equality here) of specs or even more (which is more likely) because exclusive titles are going to another MS store? Note that the games that they bought aren't compatible and they'll be starting from 0 games. Does that seem logical to you? Seriously logical?

I'm talking about future sales. Also a bit about current owners who might think that ditching the Xbone for a mid-tier PC with PS4/NX on the side would be the sane choice for all gaming. I at least find this highly logical.

And at that point I wouldn't do anything with Xbone as I would play every game with better graphics on PC. Also when I have capable PC, that would mean I'd only play the exclusives on PS4, MS can still screw Sony/Nintendo a bit through PC. All this just means they are sacrificing Xbox CONSOLE for potentially better sales. Sounds highly logical to me in a pure business point of view.

I still see zero need for Xbone and Xtwo if every "exclusive" is on PC. MS gets their money, but Xbox suffers. Now MS just needs to calculate which is more profitable. Or maybe thay already have and that's the reason why they're moving on from Xbox CONSOLE. Maybe they see the death of Xbox CONSOLE and find much higher profits from Windows 10 and DX12 even though Steam is dominating the platform at the moment.

Maybe this is the reason they didn't even bother with any kind of VR for Xbone and just focus on Oculus and PC. Think about that.

 

[Crayon]

If the message comes across that xbox one is the kids table for pc gaming then I think it's logical for xbox gamers to see a w10 computer as an upgrade. I think it's logical to cross shop a ps4 and entry level pc if you are dissatisfied with xb1. Those who remain satisfied with xb1 won't be going anywhere of course.

I even think the w10 store interface and mobile app game packaging will attract console shoppers. Some, at least. It is all very console like, and marketed as a sort of idiot-proof push button thing.

 

[vcc]

Titanfall, Killzone, Infamous all most likely will beat QB LTD, you can say certainly for Titanfall. No MP in QB will limit its sales.



In US, no. It sold 830K-840K.

I think it has a good shot at outselling Killzone:SF (a super mediocre game) and maybe infamous (a pretty slim game too). Install base is bigger now and being on PC will help. 2+m is not a super high target.

Then again the lats Tomb Raider was a amazing game and sold a pittance as a 'console exclusive'.

 

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You'll still need to pay for a license to run Windows, and you'd still need to use their store to make the game purchase.

If you have a PC strong enough to run recent games, you can play the game there. If you don't, you can buy an Xbox One. Microsoft may lose out on some Xbox One sales, but software exposure would increase.

No I don't/didn't. Bought a second-hand laptop and upgraded it to Win 10 for free. None of my money went to MS. I would have to use their store but that's it. Instead of MS getting a hardware sale + a live subscription + software sales, they get one software sale.

 

[vcc]

You do realize the vast majority of console gamers have no intention of building a gaming rig and hooking it up to their TV so this means absolutely nothing for them. However there are lots of PC gamers who don't care for consoles and will give a go to some of these games. The overlap of people with a Capable PC and an XB1 is pretty small I guess and for many of them this is still a non issue as they have consoles on TV and a rig and monitor elsewhere. Your reasoning is as bad as Crapgamer "cancelling" his preorder because QB is now on PC. XB1 owners still didn't lose anything. Your reasoning is only valid if they were releasing these titles on competing platforms, but they aren't.

Also, you didn't explain how this is bad for Xbox One owners. You seem to be making arguments for how this could influence the Xbox brand but nothing you have said effects an XB1 owner negatively. Nothing changed for them.

The principal change for them is the platform holder has made a move that makes the platform a lower priority. This is not a 3rd party making a former exclusive multi-platform. This is the platform holder. That is a significant change.

 

[gai_shain]

I'm talking about future sales. Also a bit about current owners who might think that ditching the Xbone for a mid-tier PC with PS4/NX on the side would be the sane choice for all gaming. I at least find this highly logical.

And at that point I wouldn't do anything with Xbone as I would play every game with better graphics on PC. Also when I have capable PC, that would mean I'd only play the exclusives on PS4, MS can still screw Sony/Nintendo a bit through PC. All this just means they are sacrificing Xbox CONSOLE for potentially better sales. Sounds highly logical to me in a pure business point of view.

I still see zero need for Xbone and Xtwo if every "exclusive" is on PC. MS gets their money, but Xbox suffers. Now MS just needs to calculate which is more profitable. Or maybe thay already have and that's the reason why they're moving on from Xbox CONSOLE. Maybe they see the death of Xbox CONSOLE and find much higher profits from Windows 10 and DX12 even though Steam is dominating the platform at the moment.

Maybe this is the reason they wouldn't even bother with any kind of VR for Xbone and just focus on Oculus and PC. Think about that.

You just dont look outside of the neogaf bubble it seems. Most people arent even thinking about getting a pc, they just want a console to play the newest stuff. And the xbox is still selling good, just not as good as the ps4

The principal change for them is the platform holder has made a move that makes the platform a lower priority. This is not a 3rd party making a former exclusive multi-platform. This is the platform holder. That is a significant change.

Do you really think the majority of xbox owners even know whats happening? Maybe if the xbox advertises the games coming to pc on the dashboard but otherwise the majority isnt on gaf for example.

 

[Metalingus5150]

It doesn't benefit Xbox Owners lol
It benefits PC owners.

 

[cakely]

Nah, we were talking about exclusives only.

But... Quantum Break is multi-platform, day one.

If you're talking about games that didn't get released on one console, then GTA V, Call of Duty: Black Ops III and Fallout 4 all qualify.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

You do realize the vast majority of console gamers have no intention of building a gaming rig and hooking it up to their TV so this means absolutely nothing for them. However their are lots of PC gamers who don't care for consoles and will give a go to some of these games. The overlap of people with a Capable PC and an XB1 is pretty small I guess and for many of them this is still a non issue as they have consoles on TV and a rig and monitor elsewhere. Your reasoning is as bad as Crapgamer "cancelling" his preorder because QB is now on PC. XB1 owners still didn't lose anything. Your reasoning is only valid if they were releasing these titles on competing platforms, but they aren't.

This logic only applies in a vacuum. EVERY platform is a "competing platform". We already learned that lesson when smartphones and tablets began eating up the handheld market, and we saw it again when plus-sized smartphones started eating up the tablet market (a more recent development).

In the real world, this shift equates to some interesting bullet-points for potential customers:

"Xbox One has fewer games than PS4" (this is already true, but will likely be made worse)
"Xbox One doesn't have any exclusives" (a white lie, but as you yourself pointed out, these people aren't going to care if it's on PC)
"All the good Xbox One games are on PC anyway" (still means nothing if someone isn't interested in PC gaming, but it certainly doesn't make the Xbox One look good in their eyes)
"Microsoft isn't making exclusives for the Xbox anymore".

All of these statements are more or less true and are probably a lot more fair-minded than what gets thrown around on N4G and certain gaming forums.

I'd be curious to hear how -- for example -- a GameStop employee would be asked to sell this to a customer asking if they should buy an Xbox One. We have a mass-market that still believes (to a certain degree) that Xbox One is "that console that requires online, right?" We live in a world where "PS4 has no games" was actually parroted and believed even though -- objectively -- PS4 has always had a higher number of games compared to Xbox One.

You think that same mass-market is going to spin this as "oh, no big deal. This is meant to bolster the Microsoft ecosystem. It may only look like box One is losing exclusives, but in reality this will actually be great for Xbox owners because reasons"? Really? You think they'll say that instead of "lol Xbox losing exclusives. Gonna go PS4 hashtag 4theplayers lol"

 

[Pathfinder]

It doesn't benefit Xbox Owners lol
It benefits PC owners.

It definitely benefits Xbox owners if there are more gamers playing Microsoft's games. Could lead to more development deals, and more games. Which is the whole point really.

 

[Freeman]

MS strategy isn't that bad (its what they should have done years ago), but its surprising how much they botched it. The 360 having as much success as it did got into their heads.


They burned as many bridges as possible with PC owners during all those years, be it by killing IPs that were strong on the PC, by refusing to integrate Xbox and PC storefronts, not allowing crossplay, the whole GFWL failure, they were outright hostile to PC gaming most of the time.

Using DirectX 12 to push Windows 10 adoption is once again MS shooting themselves for little reason. Windows 10 doesn't need that to sell well, show some goodwill towards PC gamers.


Hard to see how this would be great for Xbox owners tho. At best it makes little diference at worst it makes the Xbox purchase useless (if you own a PC and bought your XOne for exclusive only).

 

[Zedox]

I'm talking about future sales. Also a bit about current owners who might think that ditching the Xbone for a mid-tier PC with PS4/NX on the side would be the sane choice for all gaming. I at least find this highly logical.

And at that point I wouldn't do anything with Xbone as I would play every game with better graphics on PC. Also when I have capable PC, that would mean I'd only play the exclusives on PS4, MS can still screw Sony/Nintendo a bit through PC. All this just means they are sacrificing Xbox CONSOLE for potentially better sales. Sounds highly logical to me in a pure business point of view.

I still see zero need for Xbone and Xtwo if every "exclusive" is on PC. MS gets their money, but Xbox suffers. Now MS just needs to calculate which is more profitable. Or maybe thay already have and that's the reason why they're moving on from Xbox CONSOLE. Maybe they see the death of Xbox CONSOLE and find much higher profits from Windows 10 and DX12 even though Steam is dominating the platform at the moment.

Maybe this is the reason they wouldn't even bother with any kind of VR for Xbone and just focus on Oculus and PC. Think about that.

What I and others have said is that those users who will go to PC is a small number. I doubt even 500k users would switch to PC based off of this news. Ok, lets say the console sales slow down (which they are already), is your mindset that they aren't going to make another console and leave the millions of dollars they are getting from XBL Gold on the table for PC gamers in which there's no proven way to have people pay for subscriptions, which is what their company is moving to? That seems very rash.

The end of the xbox console isn't coming. If anything Microsoft is trying to get people to buy games and subscriptions (I'm sure they'll have something for pc and it won't be walled by multiplayer) on PC and keeping what they have. That is it.

 

[Trup1aya]

Titanfall, Killzone, Infamous all most likely will beat QB LTD, you can say certainly for Titanfall. No MP in QB will limit its sales.

In US, no. It sold 830K-840K.

Anyway, Titanfall sold big numbers. Bar some miracle, QB sales aren't gonna reach anywhere near it.

Killzone and infamous didn't impress sales wise did they?

I'm not sure if I buy your H5 total either.

I agree no MP will hurt QB, but there is a much larger installed base now than there was when these games came out.

Curious to see how it plays out.

 

[etta]

But... Quantum Break is multi-platform, day one.

If you're talking about games that didn't get released on one console, then GTA V, Call of Duty: Black Ops III and Fallout 4 all qualify.

It's an Xbox exclusive.

 

[Zedox]

I do hope that QB does well on both XBO and W10. I want more single player experiences.

 

[vcc]

It definitely benefits Xbox owners if there are more gamers playing Microsoft's games. Could lead to more development deals, and more games. Which is the whole point really.

That's a big IF. More money going to MS doesn't mean they will start up more game projects that will also benefit the XB1. Just as more money they make on W10 apps or surface sales or Azure doesn't mean they will put any of it towards the XB1. MS doesn't lack capital.

It would break down to how the scenarios break down.

2/3 XB1 to 1/3 PC W10 : would likely mean no change to the status quo.

1/2 XB1 to 1/2 PC W10 : means a likely minor shift in priorities.

1/3 XB1 to 2/3 PC W10 : means a major shift will happen.

 

[Chobel]

Killzone and infamous didn't impress sales wise did they?

I'm not sure if I buy your H5 total either.

I agree no MP will hurt QB, but there is a much larger installed base now than there was when these games came out.

Curious to see how it plays out.

If Killzone and Infamous sales didn't impress you, then I can tell right now QB sales won't either. Somehow you have impression that QB will be the next big new IP, it doesn't look like that at all. No MP, not open world and no RPG elements mean it has really low chance becoming a huge IP, well not the first game anyway.

H5 numbers aren't mine, they were leaked in NPD threads, so yeah they're legit.

 

[Hard]

Isn't Killzone well past 2 million?

 

[AmaterasuOni]

You just dont look outside of the neogaf bubble it seems. Most people arent even thinking about getting a pc, they just want a console to play the newest stuff. And the xbox is still selling good, just not as good as the ps4.

We don't know this yet. That's why the speculation. We, both sides of this argument, can only wait and see what happens to the sales. I'm saying they will eventually tank. We'll just have to wait until QB is released (athough I don't see it as a system seller either). Maybe Forza gives us a better picture (it's not a hit seller either). Maybe we need to wait until the black friday and holiday sales to see the whole picture.

I'm guessing Xbone will tank. Hard.

And how do you know "most people" aren'tt thinking about a PC? What if this move makes them buy a decent PC? Have you thought about that scenario? I at least would go that way as I can easily plug the PC into a TV and use Xbone controller to play. It's not that big of a hassle.

 

[vcc]

Do you really think the majority of xbox owners even know whats happening? Maybe if the xbox advertises the games coming to pc on the dashboard but otherwise the majority isnt on gaf for example.

The enthusiasts know. some of the none enthusiasts will hear it second hand. The XB1 does seem to comprise more enthusiasts than not because it's the #2 system, the #1 picks up more of the casual gamers.

A reductionist version may hit the mainstream like the DRM issue did or the power differential. If it does what ever narrative that is will stick around well past it being true.

 

[etta]

Holy shit, Quantum Break "The Cemetery" trailer is up at 3 million views on YouTube.
In contrast, Halo 5 "Opening Cinematic" is at 4.2 million, and this is 3 months after release!
Quantum Break gonna be huge I think.

 

[vcc]

If Killzone and Infamous sales didn't impress you, then I can tell right now QB sales won't either. Somehow you have impression that QB will be the next big new IP, it doesn't look like that at all.

H5 numbers aren't mine, they were leaked in NPD threads, so yeah they're legit.

What do we have for their numbers?

I though KS:SF/I:SS/Titanfall weren't that far apart? 2.1m, 2.5m, 2.8m? Whats the LTD? Did the super low price weekends bump Titanfall a lot?

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

It definitely benefits Xbox owners if there are more gamers playing Microsoft's games. Could lead to more development deals, and more games. Which is the whole point really.

Very big "if". Very hopeful and very naive "if".

Thing is, we've already seen how Microsoft behaves in this situation with the XBox 360.

PC gaming used to be a big market for Microsoft. When their PC market was stagnating and they saw lucrative possibilities on the 360, they closed studios left and right and made 360 their focus. Way back with games like Shadowrun I remember people saying "don't worry. Microsoft will still focus on PC. See? Shadowrun is cross-play".

Yet, as time went on, it became painfully obvious that Microsoft was reallocating resources to the console side of things because that's where the money is. They attempted GFWL -- which bombed -- and after that point their PC support dropped off even further. Microsoft played a huge role in getting formerly-PC-only devs over to consoles because that's where the money was. There was quite the outcry. I remember. Microsoft didn't care, and Microsoft did a very poor job of supporting PC gaming during this period of time.

In the XBox One's case, we have this exact same situation. Console gaming used to be a much bigger market for Microsoft. But the X1 isn't selling what they wanted, Kinect 2.0 didn't grab the so-called "causal market", they're fighting tooth and nail with price cuts and bundles for neglegible gains, and Xbox Live subscriptions have lost their momentum. PC gaming, on the other hand, is coming back in a big way and is becoming far more lucrative. Microsoft as a whole wants to have their own walled store like Apple and Google do, a place to not only put games but to put apps and productivity and enterprise software. THAT's the goal, and even the defenders in this thread would agree that's the focus here.

So what will Microsoft do?

Are they "focusing on the ecosystem" because they see a bright future for the Xbox One and they want to use the PC as a way to make the Xbox One's library stronger?

Or are they doing exactly what they did to their PC gaming efforts a decade ago?

I can sympathize with those who choose to be hopeful, but those same people should at least acknowledge how this looks instead of trying to handwave this away as a "totally different situation. Xbox One isn't losing exclusives. This is a totally different thing". Uh huh.

 

[Chobel]

What do we have for their numbers?

I though KS:SF/I:SS/Titanfall weren't that far apart? 2.1m, 2.5m, 2.8m? Whats the LTD? Did the super low price weekends bump Titanfall a lot?

KZ 2.1M after 2 months.
I:SS 1M in 12 days
Titanfall: Most likely +4M since the game has +10 Million unique users.

Even if somehow QB beat KZ and I:SS, it still have to win against Titanfall which isn't gonna happen.

 

[iBlue]

I dont like playing on PC so having games available there doesnt bother me at all. Actually its better now there will be more people playing.

 

[vcc]

KZ 2.1M after 2 months.
I:SS 1M in 12 days
Titanfall: Most likely +4M since the game has +10 Million unique users.

Even if somehow QB beat KZ and I:SS, it still have to win against Titanfall which isn't gonna happen.

Didn't TF also have a free weekend which heavily skews that 10m unique user number? I expect it to have done much better than KZ or I:SS but I think that particular 10m stat is very skewed?

 

[Trup1aya]

If Killzone and Infamous sales didn't impress you, then I can tell right now QB sales won't either. Somehow you have impression that QB will be the next big new IP, it doesn't look like that at all. No MP, not open world and no RPG elements mean it has really low chance becoming a huge IP, well not the first game anyway.

H5 numbers aren't mine, they were leaked in NPD threads, so yeah they're legit.

No I just think that it will sell more copies than games that launched when console installed bases were tiny...

Neither of those titles had MP worth talking about, if at all...

As to halo, weren't those just the 4 days it was on sale in October?

 

[Chobel]

No I just think that it will sell more copies than games that launched when console installed bases were tiny...

As to halo, weren't those just the 4 days it was on sale in October?

5 days. But let's ignore "Halo 5 like" part, you seriously think it will outsell Titanfall? It's an SP only game, with hype nowhere near close to Titanfall.

 

[etta]

5 days. But let's ignore "Halo 5 like" part, you seriously think it will outsell Titanfall? It's an SP only game, with hype nowhere near close to Titanfall.

What does Chobel think about the 3 million YouTube views for the trailer?
I think it's mighty fascinating.

 

[Pathfinder]

Very big "if". Very hopeful and very naive "if".

I prefer an optimistic "if".

 

[Metalingus5150]

Are you serious about the youtube thing or am I falling for sarcasm? lol