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[massivekettle]

Once this done you'll have everyone on the Dem side getting everyone out to vote, building support, and that includes President Obama.

How's that working out in general? I think it's much easier said than done.

As for Obama campaigning alongside Clinton, I wouldn't be so sure. First off, not sure that they are seeing eye-to-eye, and second, whilst Obama is no W (towards the end of his presidency), he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

 

[sangreal]

How soon can we expect exit polls from SC?

30 minutes and chuck Todd hinted it's going to be "fun" but didn't want to give anything away

i think we are in for an upset

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Here you go. Its annoyingly vague, but is what happens every time a movement liberal gets to the general (see McGovern and Mondale).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/berned-up

Exactly what a lot of us have been saying.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

How's that working out in general? I think it's much easier said than done.

As for Obama campaigning alongside Clinton, I wouldn't be so sure. First off, not sure that they are seeing eye-to-eye, and second, whilst Obama is no W (towards the end of his presidency), he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

I'm pretty sure the sitting president has never, not endorsed the candidate from his party. It's just tradition, and Obama wouldn't put any sort of petty stuff in the way of the party.

 

[Wilsongt]

Turnout in SC is apparently really high.

 

[Lemonz]

Email from Bernie Sanders:

The final results are in from Nevada and it looks like we’re going to leave another state with roughly the same number of delegates as Hillary Clinton, maybe down just a few.

I want to be completely clear with you about what this result means: Nevada was supposed to be a state "tailor made" for the Clinton campaign, and a place she once led by
almost 40 points. But today, we sent a message that will stun the political and financial establishment of this country: our campaign can win anywhere.

There are 26 primaries and caucuses in the next month, and three straight positive results for our campaign are sure to prompt an over-the-top response from the millionaires
and billionaires who are funding our opponent and her many super PACs.

We have to be prepared for their best shot, because it’s coming:

Make a contribution to our campaign tonight and we are going to win this Democratic primary, the White House, and take our country back from the billionaire class.

We’re closing the gap dramatically in states that have yet to vote, and there’s a path to victory for our political revolution. If we continue to stand together, we’ll continue to win.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Yeah I kinda wish Biden had joined the race now.

I like Biden just fine but he's clearly further right than Clinton. Ranking your preferences Sanders / Biden / Clinton is... interesting?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

Once Bernie comes out to support Hillary, if she wins of course, they will fall in line. The same exact shit happened between Obama/Clinton and people got in line. Granted the "young people" got their candidate that time around. We'll see.

Bernie has always been pragmatic and his supporters should be too if they have been paying attention.

 

[deadlast]

Scalia's family wanted it this way.

Source? I would like to use it.

 

[massivekettle]

I think he is again implying Obama is a Muslim, which is absurd. He did say nice things about him, but lets be clear, they really didn't see eye to eye on many issues.

Except his point is a thinly veiled "Obama b Muslem!!" dogwhistle.

If you agree with that...hoo boy...

Yeah, I ignored the muslim comment. But Obama should lead by example, not act like a teenager. He should have swallowed his pride, gone to the funeral and pay his respects.

Holding the olive branch is playing the long game ahead of the elections.

 

[Effect]

Here you go. Its annoyingly vague, but is what happens every time a movement liberal gets to the general (see McGovern and Mondale).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/berned-up

This is not at all surprising. People have been saying for a long time I believe but it kept being ignore or dismissed.

 

[Blader]

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

He didn't snub the funeral, he didn't think it was appropriate to go (which Scalia's family agreed with). He paid his respects to Scalia's casket the same day, just not during the funeral.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I can't wait for the general when Hilary's people , if she wins the nomination, start digging into Trumps past. I'm usually not a fan of dirty politics but damn if I'm not excited to see Trump fall hard lol

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

Pointing out flaws of Clinton is not the same thing as this story that you've just created.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Turnout in SC is apparently really high.

Trump is going to win another Primary isn't he? I have no words. Other than "ugh"

 

[RoKKeR]

I can't wait for the general when Hilary's people , if she wins the nomination, start digging into Trumps past. I'm usually not a fan of dirty politics but damn if I'm not excited to see Trump fall hard lol

Because that has really mattered a lot thus far.

 

[exmachina64]

Very true

You're certainly not wrong about that. Young voters seem to be motivated, but that motivation seems strongest among youth that actually vote. Doesn't seem like too many new young voters are voting for either candidate for whatever reason.

This is what worries me. From the beginning she was set up by the DNC as the chosen one and no serious contenders besides Biden (yeah, Bernie wasn't much of a serious contender, but he certainly became one) were considering a run. We'll see what happens come the GE.

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

If she selects someone like Julian Castro for her VP, they'll soften their stances. I was impressed when Hillary said she would introduce immigration reform in her first hundred days in office and that will probably improve her favorables with Latinos.

Rubio isn't shit as a candidate. He's polling as a generic Republican now, because he's young and fairly charismatic and not that well-known, but once his actual views start getting airtime, he's done for, especially since he can't think on his feet and doesn't seem to have a very adept team surrounding him. He's good at crafting soundbites, and nothing else.

The only GOP person who is a threat to Democrats is John Kasich, but if he actually GOT the nomination, I wouldn't be as worried about the GOP winning, anyway, because he's not all that scary, tbh. He'd probably have a middling Elder Bush-type tenure in office.

One article I read described Rubio as having a good team, but despite their best efforts, he can't overcome his social anxiety.

Agree on Kasich.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Bernie has always been pragmatic

Is that why he's never been a Democrat?

 

[FoneBone]

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

How large do you actually think that constituency of "bitter millennials" is?

I know this primary cycle isn't exactly the same as '08, but we heard this about Obama and Clinton supporters that year too.

 

[Jay-Hova]

Sanders has pulled punches?? Him and his supporters have painted Hillary as nothing worse than a sham, a liar, a crook, and a thief. He and they have been absolutely shameless in doing the GOP's work for it.



Yes, it's a big deal. Like the coin flips, right? And when it turns out that locations were doing the same for Sanders supporters, will it still be a big deal?

Oh yes in each debate I could at least point out four occasions where he could have hit her harder but have opted not to.
And why do you have a problem with Bernie hitting his opponent anyways?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Trump is going to win another Primary isn't he? I have no words. Other than "ugh"

Yeah, we're most likely getting Hillary vs Trump.

 

[A Human Becoming]

It's not clear cut. Meaning arguing its meaning is a pointless endeavor.

To me, being in the halls of power for more years than most of his supporters have been alive makes Sanders establishment. I don't give a shit that he had an (I) next to his name. He was still there. He's still establishment.

So what you're really saying is because it's vague the most narrow definition should be used. I think it's fair to argue against that rationale.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[eBay Huckster]

How large do you actually think that constituency of "bitter millennials" is?

I know this primary cycle isn't exactly the same as '08, but we heard this about Obama and Clinton supporters that year too.

And that cycle was literally twice as worse at this point - we're looking at 15%, maybe 20%, saying they won't vote for Clinton now compared to 30% saying that about Obama.

 

[120v]

How's that working out in general? I think it's much easier said than done.

As for Obama campaigning alongside Clinton, I wouldn't be so sure. First off, not sure that they are seeing eye-to-eye, and second, whilst Obama is no W (towards the end of his presidency), he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

you're vastly underestimating the clinton/obama campaign machine

 

[Trident]

They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

Didn't you just get done saying this?

Matters of degree are for people who believe semantic arguments are worthwhile. I'm not one of them.

 

[Hockey123]

Yeah, we're most likely getting Hillary vs Trump.

Can't wait for the debates.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Here Bernie goes into his same old stump speech.

 

[UnObtainium17]

I can't wait for the general when Hilary's people , if she wins the nomination, start digging into Trumps past. I'm usually not a fan of dirty politics but damn if I'm not excited to see Trump fall hard lol

She probbly don't have to do this.. All she and hopefully bernie got to do is show up to a debate vs trump.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Once Bernie comes out to support Hillary, if she wins of course, they will fall in line. The same exact shit happened between Obama/Clinton and people got in line. Granted the "young people" got their candidate that time around. We'll see.

Bernie has always been pragmatic and his supporters should be too if they have been paying attention.

I hope you're right. But this is the same guy who wanted to primary Obama in 2012. His supporters hate Clinton.

I just can't see them turning out in droves for her.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

As for Obama campaigning alongside Clinton, I wouldn't be so sure. First off, not sure that they are seeing eye-to-eye, and second, whilst Obama is no W (towards the end of his presidency), he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

Oh come on, Obama knows that a Republican will completely over-turn his legacy. He's going to campaign hard as possible for either Clinton or Sanders. Also, wasn't Reagan actually that popular in '88. He had gotten beaten down hard by the Iran Contra scandal and the Black Monday crash. He got more popular when people saw how awful Dukakis was, which could happen here too.

 

[AxelFoley]

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

You serious with this shit?

 

[Blader]

How's that working out in general? I think it's much easier said than done.

As for Obama campaigning alongside Clinton, I wouldn't be so sure. First off, not sure that they are seeing eye-to-eye, and second, whilst Obama is no W (towards the end of his presidency), he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

He has said just the exact opposite and has very transparently, though not officially given her his endorsement over Bernie.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Is that why he's never been a Democrat?

He's been a Democrat in everything that has mattered in his entire career. He just leverages his (I) in Vermont to get more votes which is pragmatic.

 

[sphagnum]

Can we just stop saying "establishment" and just start using "bourgeoisie" again.

 

[Wilsongt]

You serious with this shit?

Expect it to be a new attack on Obama.

 

[Chindogg]

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

I'm not going to lie, that's how I feel right now. Hillary Clinton is just another 90s centrist who actively supported DOMA and NAFTA and only within the last five years has pushed for more progressive measures. I'll give her points for pushing for a single payer system but now that she's the highest donated candidate from pharmaceutical and insurance companies I don't see her doing much to push that forward if she became president.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I honestly don't know if I'll come out to vote. I don't want another centrist president that vaguely pushes the status quo that Reagan set in 1980. I'd rather watch the Republicans burn everything to the ground to prove that they're legitimately crazy than to have another term of stagnant progress.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I can't wait for the general when Hilary's people , if she wins the nomination, start digging into Trumps past. I'm usually not a fan of dirty politics but damn if I'm not excited to see Trump fall hard lol

Trumps been a tabloid fixture for 30 years. One thing you're probably not gonna get with him are new skeletons in the closet.

 

[Touchdown]

he's definitely no Clinton or Reagan.

explain this further?

 

[royalan]

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, this is the most concerning thing. I know I know, anecdotes and all that, but from my observation the language being aimed at Hillary from the Sanders camp is unlike anything I remember seeing between Hillary and Obama's campaigns in 2008 in how vicious it is. The most you really see from Clinton supporters is concerns about Bernie promising things he couldn't possibly deliver and being a bit naive, but most people that I know generally like the guy and I think a lot of the party generally agrees with Bernie's destination even if we seriously disagree with the way to get there. But the attacks on Hillary from his supporters range from disliking her policies to pissing on her as a person. It's terrible, and as bad as any Republican onslaught.

Going forward, I'd definitely like to see Bernie keep fighting (because he HAS made Hillary a stronger candidate), but as the writing becomes a bit more clearer on the wall I hope he changes his language to discourage some of the vitriol being stirred up among his supporters.

EDIT: Was going to watch Bernie's concession speech, but it's just his stump so I'm going to do laundry.

 

[Macho Madness]

Republican response to Hillary's win:

 

[chubigans]

Rubio isn't shit as a candidate. He's polling as a generic Republican now, because he's young and fairly charismatic and not that well-known, but once his actual views start getting airtime, he's done for, especially since he can't think on his feet and doesn't seem to have a very adept team surrounding him. He's good at crafting soundbites, and nothing else.

I used to think that too but the town hall the other night totally reversed my opinion. When he's not dealing out sound bites he can be a really great speaker.

 

[Cerium]

Source? I would like to use it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/senate-judiciary-gop-supreme-court-219486

The president’s decision to skip the funeral for the conservative justice incensed some critics, and it comes as his administration has begun preparing for a brutal battle with the Senate over nominating a replacement for Scalia. But sources close to the Scalia family said Obama made the right choice by paying homage Friday but skipping the funeral, and the White House has defended Obama’s decision as well.

 

[Black Republican]

already pouring out a 40 for Jebby, the early exit poll is gonna be fucking ugly for him

 

[Mecha]

Can we just stop saying "establishment" and just start using "bourgeoisie" again.

Then the candidates would be openly talking bad about themselves.

 

[Touchdown]

Republican response to Hillary's win:

lol they really do live in a bubble don't they

 

[BoboBrazil]

I used to think that too but the town hall the other night totally reversed my opinion. When he's not dealing out sound bites he can be a really great speaker.

Yeah, he came off well spoken and intelligent in the town hall. Him and Nikki Haley would be scary to face the dem candidate in the general.

 

[Oriel]

How many times is Bernie going to repeat the word "establishment"?

 

[RPGCrazied]

already pouring out a 40 for Jebby, the early exit poll is gonna be fucking ugly for him

Its time for him and Carson to exit next.

 

[MilkBeard]

Republican response to Hillary's win:

Lol they are playing that card hard.

 

[kirblar]

I'm not going to lie, that's how I feel right now. Hillary Clinton is just another 90s centrist who actively supported DOMA and NAFTA and only within the last five years has pushed for more progressive measures. I'll give her points for pushing for a single payer system but now that she's the highest donated candidate from pharmaceutical and insurance companies I don't see her doing much to push that forward if she became president.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I honestly don't know if I'll come out to vote. I don't want another centrist president that vaguely pushes the status quo that Reagan set in 1980. I'd rather watch the Republicans burn everything to the ground to prove that they're legitimately crazy than to have another term of stagnant progress.

You get to say this because you don't get hurt directly by the social policies.

I get directly hurt by the GOP getting control of the executive office - losing backing for LGBT support in the DoJ is a huge setback that will actively hurt many people.

Obama is a center-left guy, and look at how far things have been pulled in his two terms - nothing happens lightning fast.