Filipino-GAF get in here!!!!!
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StarlordDial
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Both him and santiago have chances i think
Kinda funny now how roxas and binay were like the top candidates for this for quite a while til people saw through their bs
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agentofatlas
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Jesse is dead. His wife is running tho. Good lady hope the best for her. As for president? The choices suck. The slate runs from thieves to full blown murderers.
inked_illusion
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Woof, yeah Happy People's Power Day.
Even if we have a decent elected president, most of the corruption will happen around thr senate and those who work underneath the president.
In a way, the whole system needs to change (especially political dynasties) not just the president. Though it feels like an impossibility since there's too much money involved to ever give that up.
I don't think Miriam has a chance. She started out strongly, with an educated voterbase that would have surely campaigned for her. The thing is it's been a downhill battle for her: from her cancer all the way to her decision to align with Bongbong. With that move, she managed to alienate many of her votes, and the polls seem to suggest that.
Sad though, I do think out of all the candidates, she could have really been something. However, choosing Bongbong pretty much made her nil to my eyes.
Duterte does have a chance, but he's pretty much your Philippine Trump: an anti-establishment figure (hailing from a disenfranchised Mindanao of all places), who speaks incredulous statements that work incredibly well as news soundbites. To add them all up: he presents himself as this tough playboy--a macho figure that everyone wants to be, or, at least, to have a drink with. It's no surprise people would flock to support him.
Yet like Trump, he also has many detractors, who have been extremely outspoken against his incredulous statements. Furthermore, not every one of his supporters in Davao are voting for him. My friends in Davao actually want him to stay in Davao so they are not voting for him lol.
Binay is still pretty much in this thing; Roxas can still catch up but I doubt it. One would think that the corruption cases and the bad press he received for the past two years would dissuade voters. From the looks of the polls, it did, but notice how he has been out of the spotlight for so long. While the press was fixated on the Poe citizenship issue, and the mudslinging between Roxas and Duterte, Binay simply kept put and made sure he wouldn't be on the press.
Aaaand it worked. People completely forgot he still has corruption charges pending. Hopefully, I hope his dismal performance in the debate would remind people that he is all BS.
Sadly, aside from Robredo, the vice-presidential candidates aren't any better.
Ika nga ni Alma Moreno, dasal-dasal na lang.
Oh and Happy People Power day everyone! I hope you guys have a relaxing holiday despite how frantic the times have become
paolo11
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No one.
paolo11
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Vic Sotto. :^)
Seriously though. I don't trust politicians there. Do you really think those two you mentioned (especially Miriam) would give Philippines improvement? And I'm not asking this in jest. I pray they really do, kaibigan. I love my country and it would bring joy for me that we get a true leader that can bring Philippines back to its greatness.
I've lived and grew up in Pinas. I've been hearing the same lines all over again and broken promises. It's going to be the same circus every election year.
inked_illusion
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That's the crazy thing about the Philippines, we've got to a point where term after term prior to Pnoy where our presidents/politicians have done poorly to improve the country. Which is why Pnoy was a change up since he actually made progress (how much progress is for the citizens to decide). Which is also why our faith in the government is almost slim to none.
I really hope whoever becomes president at the very least tries to continue whatever good thing Pnoy had going (because it is starting to work to some extent). I'm not saying Duterte or Miriam will make instant changes if elected (considering who else gets elected as senators and politicians). I just want at least another term of some progress to make the philippines better in some way.
Again hoping and believing ain't much but it's better than nothing. Also, there's always the next election.
I really hope whoever becomes president at the very least tries to continue whatever good thing Pnoy had going (because it is starting to work to some extent). I'm not saying Duterte or Miriam will make instant changes if elected (considering who else gets elected as senators and politicians). I just want at least another term of some progress to make the philippines better in some way.
Again hoping and believing ain't much but it's better than nothing. Also, there's always the next election.
paolo11
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That's why I like Pnoy. He made some work and did improve Philippines.
If Duterte is vigilant about crime and corruption(a super huge if), we may see huge changes. For one, Philippines will be much safer and more business will come. Also, I do pray police, nurse or doctors gets paid really good. Konti na nga sahod mga pulis kaya asa sa lagay.
And instead of the money going to the politicians, I do hope the money will go to projects like smoother roads or fixing drainage/sewers in the community that was damaged for how many years(I'm looking at you, Mandaluyong) or any projects that will benefit all.
no, it's just one term for 6 years
and yes, there is no one worth voting
I'd say anyone but Binay though
Khrysler Jerikho
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Yo darkwing... hello lol.
Though if Duterte wins and we end up being a Federalist government, do we still have to celebrate the People Power event?
Though if Duterte wins and we end up being a Federalist government, do we still have to celebrate the People Power event?
Epsilon-delta
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My lola used to tell me this all the time.
The Marcos regime was pretty horrible and yet I've met other Filipinos who thought he was the greatest thing ever.
yo lol
yup, why not
yup, if only Magsaysay didn't die early, it was all downhill from there
I have only met people who loves the Marcos regime.
Marcos did a fine job his first term. He was an absolute garbage after that.
That's why I can't understand the glorification of his regime (I would understand if you're from Ilocos Norte though). He just created a big mess that the current generation are still fixing.
inked_illusion
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The problem is that (though this is coming from my cousin's anecdotes so take it as you may) once martial law ended, people have started to lose faith to the government and police.
My cousin also told me that traffic didn't start getting worse until after martial law. Then again, this was long before I was born so I can't say if this is true or not.
My cousin also told me that traffic didn't start getting worse until after martial law. Then again, this was long before I was born so I can't say if this is true or not.
where are these people from? Marcos has a strong support up North
Epsilon-delta
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Which is weird considering the damage his regime inflicted on PI.
I don't understand it either.
They talk about Marcos like how Baby Boomers talk about Reagan.
just think, how many cars were there during the 1970s and how many since
paolo11
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Marcos is smart, I'll give him that. He screwed up in the latter part of his terms. Also, Imelda and her shoe collection.
inked_illusion
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True but considering that people started caring less about abiding the street laws also contributed to the heavy traffic we have today.
Hate to be a negative nancy since I'm only taking to account of being there for only two weeks, I honestly don't know the situation anymore. Just feel like an outsider more than anything.
My family is from Ilocos Norte. They will defend everything and say people are just making up these bad things about them. My own mother says Imelda didn't use any money for herself.
StarlordDial
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Lmaooooo i'm from Ilocos too (Sur) my folks out here say when Marcos was the President, Ilocano's were the guys back in the day lol
But I do believe him and Robredo are the only great candidates for VP
Chiz too but ehhhhhh
StarlordDial
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Idk much really ... I don't keep much on the news .. Just gossips and etc from my old folks
ColdDeckEd
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Dont get the love for pnoy. To me he's been a pretty bad president. All of the economic progress that happened during his term can be attributed to GMA. I honestly can't think of any initatives or development under PNoy other than the expansion of casinos. I mean even the legislation he was planning on cementing his legacy, BBL, is now DOA. If some of PNoy supporters can correct me please do.
Meanwhile infrastructure is falling apart, internet speeds are worst among SEA countries, political oppenents are labelled corrupt and dragged through the mud while family friends are gifted high ranking positions in the government (like Purisma) instead of more qualified candidates, which imo is a form of corruption.
To me PNoy is a product of his last name, and some very capable political advisors. The LP is very good at running campaigns, but when it comes to actual leadership not so much.
Meanwhile infrastructure is falling apart, internet speeds are worst among SEA countries, political oppenents are labelled corrupt and dragged through the mud while family friends are gifted high ranking positions in the government (like Purisma) instead of more qualified candidates, which imo is a form of corruption.
To me PNoy is a product of his last name, and some very capable political advisors. The LP is very good at running campaigns, but when it comes to actual leadership not so much.
You have two polls: SWS shows Binay leading with Poe at a distant second, while Pulse Asia claims that it's actually Poe who's winning with Binay trailing behind. Both polls show Roxas and Duterte pretty much neck-on-neck for third (with Roxas having a slight lead), while Santiago is dead last on both.
It's pretty misleading to use online reactions to gauge how far ahead the candidates are. Duterete's supporters are already very vocal online, how much more when he makes a lewd comment during the debates ("biology lang yan"), and when he shares a hug with Defensor and complements her during the debates (hence, the alleged new "love team" of the season)
I honestly don't know... all the stuff I see about him online is how much he's still denying that his father plundered money from the government. lol.
This is what the economists pretty much say about PNoy's term. He's touting the PPP as his program, but it was GMA's flagship project.
But despite that, I don't think PNoy was all that bad. He was able to pass the RH Bill into law, despite strong opposition from the church. He stood up against China and united ASEAN along the way. From the people I talked to, a lot of foreign investments have flooded in because of how much he changed foreign perception that the Phil. government was very corrupt. From within the government, they were much stricter with audit and paper trails.
The only sad thing is that there were so much promising PPPs but they were hampered by bureaucracy. That and PNoy defending incompetent people in his administration (though we did get a lot of corrupt officials behind bars, which I'm really glad about).
Just to put it out there: don't blame the government for shitty internet speed. Sure blame them for not regulating online infrastructure well enough, but you should channel all your hatred on the telco companies. I know of telco employees who have pushed project to improve/modernize their lines so that they can deliver better services (and faster internet). Their proposals have been always declined because it is just too much investment and so little return. Now that another telco (which is apparently a shitty one in Australia) is thinking of putting up store here, some of them suddenly jack up their internet speed.
He has denied his father's regime, that's for sure.
I heard from people that he did pass plenty of legislation, but it's mostly him trying to erase a part of Philippine History, and to render void all the sacrifices Filipinos martyrs have made by denying what his father has done.
Hey, we wouldn't be in this mess if he decided to just simply apologize in behalf of his father and say to the public that he wants to correct things. But nope, he wants everyone to think that Martial Law was valid.
ColdDeckEd
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Internet speeds are the governments fault when they do nothing and let the telecos (smart and globe) do whatever they please.
You are right about the RH bill though ill give Pnoy that one though Im not sure if he truly supported the bill.
Standing up against China for me is kind of silly. Sure you can protest to the UN and international community and await their arbitration but in reality it would be better to work with China because what can a nation like the Philippines do against the main power in the region? Well I guess they can beg the US for promises of defense but thats another can of worms. Especially ironic since it was his mom that essentially kicked the US military out of the country. In the end its just empty posturing where he should be focusing on diplomacy.
You are right about the RH bill though ill give Pnoy that one though Im not sure if he truly supported the bill.
Standing up against China for me is kind of silly. Sure you can protest to the UN and international community and await their arbitration but in reality it would be better to work with China because what can a nation like the Philippines do against the main power in the region? Well I guess they can beg the US for promises of defense but thats another can of worms. Especially ironic since it was his mom that essentially kicked the US military out of the country. In the end its just empty posturing where he should be focusing on diplomacy.
Poe is popular because of Fernando Poe who was supposed to be the winner if GMA didn't cheat, also she was very visible during the Senate hearings
Binay , because he was the mayor of Makati , and claims he was responsible for it being very progressive, and he claims to be pro-poor and claims to be born poor
only Binay has those cases of corruption, you wonder why he is leading the polls despite those? he is very popular in the C-D-E class just like Estrada
Poe were supposed to be the winner at the debate last Sunday? Really? Or is it just rumors that GMA were cheating?
What is the CDE class? The rather poor?
By the way, I just had a talk with my cousin, and he says all the books about Marcos are made up to hurt his dynasty. He got really aggressive when we were chatting about it, so I had to change the topic.
I don't know how you identify who won the debate, but in a way, she made some sensible answers which will only improve her stock
just follow the 'hello Garci' scandal for one, then the Maguindanao massacre connection
yup, A to E, A being the elite, etc..
remember Estrada was even in 2nd place during the last elections and he was just released being convicted of plunder lol
Well, the government does have to protect our lands that we may have a right to invest on, more so against claimants with flimsy reasoning. I do agree with you that it's mostly posturing and that China will end up getting those islands anyway, but kudos to them for trying.
Hey, at least ASEAN seems to be more united now because of the issue. But yeah, let's just agree to disagree on this one.
For Bongbong, yeah. I wouldn't call him a joke though. What he's doing--erasing his father's sins from history--is very dangerous. I don't know where you stand on the "Marcos regime," but I've talked to survivors and political prisoners and it's a pretty shitty thing that even if many investigations confirm Marcos' corruption, he still washes his hands clean on everything.
For Duterte, I dislike him for alot of other reasons. I understand his appeal, but I just don't agree with his stances (and I don't think he's coming from a sincere place even).
I'm afraid it is a losing battle
even the US court awarded the Marcos human rights victims numbering in the thousands , miliions of dollars, no way you can fabricate evidence during the trial
What are they saying about Marcos?
I also agree with this. Keep posting guys, it's good to see and very interesting.
Sometimes very hard to be opposite of my entire family. I'm not for or against the family but it's just impossible to have a sincere talk about Marcos' flaws with them.
inked_illusion
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Duterte may be a joke but that's just common with candidates talking big to get the votes in. The difference is that there's evidence of his changes in Davao city.
The problem now is that's just on a small scale, actually changing corruption and crime in the philippines is a much more complex task than what Duterte has in mind. No way it can be solved in six months but changing over the course of his term? That I can see happening.
Pnoy had his flaws of being slow to change/progress but at least he was one of the very few that did not steal government funds and was fairly elected in (as far as I know). He played too much by the book causing the slow progress.
We'll wait and see if the next president's gonna better or worse than Pnoy.
The problem now is that's just on a small scale, actually changing corruption and crime in the philippines is a much more complex task than what Duterte has in mind. No way it can be solved in six months but changing over the course of his term? That I can see happening.
Pnoy had his flaws of being slow to change/progress but at least he was one of the very few that did not steal government funds and was fairly elected in (as far as I know). He played too much by the book causing the slow progress.
We'll wait and see if the next president's gonna better or worse than Pnoy.
Binay leading the polls is a joke, we also need to change up so that only educated people can vote
paolo11
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No disrespect to your mother but I think I have to respectfully disagree.
sleverfunk
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Everyone I know is voting for duterte. Their hoping that if duterte will win, mindanao will improve and the disparity of funds will be equal.
Curious, would Duerte do anything about the MILF?
I know a lot of people I know there are pissed at Aquino for doing jack shit against them, even when they killed those commandos last year.
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