Steph Curry Supernova
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I thought LeBron was damned impressive before he won his first. I also thought Curry was crazy last year before he won it all, too. If the Warriors lost in the finals last season, I wouldn't dismiss what Curry's doing this season at all.
arts&crafts
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nvm I was checking out the wrong stat WIlt averaged 50 a few times lol
Sorry I am not doubting Ovechkin is the best hockey player currently ( i dont watch hockey ) But on a player comparison level, I would say players dominating the league and carrying their team to title(s) is on another level than just leading the league in points or something. Like AI and Melo led the league in scoring a few times for example.
Sorry I am not doubting Ovechkin is the best hockey player currently ( i dont watch hockey ) But on a player comparison level, I would say players dominating the league and carrying their team to title(s) is on another level than just leading the league in points or something. Like AI and Melo led the league in scoring a few times for example.
benjipwns
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Curry is at 22.0 ppg for his career.
51 points with one free throw. Whew.
arts&crafts
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Yea, my bad I was looking at the wrong stat. Wilt averaged 50ppg one year
benjipwns
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arglebargle
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that tweet and this stat (from espn):
Stephen Curry is 4-of-11 (36.4%) when shooting from 35-plus feet out. Andre Drummond's free-throw percentage on the season is 36.1%
seem sort of impossible in combination? could curry really be 31/41 from 28-35 feet? also 52 shots from over 28 feet is crazy town.
benjipwns
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Look at Bruce Bowen's 2002-03 3PT% and FT%.
arglebargle
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the curry drummond comparison is actually less striking to me than the fact that it implies curry is shooting 75% from 28-35 feet, unless i am misunderstanding something and those two things cant be combined.
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Dreams-Visions
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My mistake, I read you wrong.
Curry is indeed insane:
WHEW.
My mistake, I read you wrong.
Curry is indeed insane:
I instantly thought of this chart of meth users:
Jack The Nipper
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NBA has no defense. Warriors would be killed in most other decades
Incorrect. Defense is better (zone is allowed) and scoring is down from the mid-90s. Handchecking isn't allowed anymore but that is mostly useful on guarding players that drive to the rim...not ones bombing high percentages from 30 feet.
XiaNaphryz
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It is actually harder to score these days after the change to the illegal defense rules:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM_eCnTNt1Q
Jack The Nipper
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I think.the all star game sums up how some of them guard even in regular games sometimes.
They wouldn't score on the bulls or pistons this way, a different time and mentality.
I just don't believe it
Jordan was shouting people down at 38 and didnt look that hard when he did.
I dunno, I see warriors doing things with inside passes over and over. I see it coming and the defense let's people stand under the rim wife open. Happens every warriors game. They really need to do better Naan to man defense. Doubleing curry ain't working. Jordan, Rodman, arrest wouldn't need to double him and can hold l do thier man better too.
Revisionist nonsense. Curry would be bombing the shit out of every team that's ever played. No one shoved three-point shooters to the ground to teach them a lesson.
XiaNaphryz
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Did you watch the whole video? Jordan admitted he wouldn't have scored like he did in his prime if zone defense were allowed back then and was fighting against the rule change vehemently, and every superstar hated it because they couldn't score as easily as they used to with isolation.
Jack The Nipper
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I don't think so, when you start losing and pressing it changes the dynamic a bit. I will say warriors will not be Champs this year. Should have ever some good games in the west though. Will come down to a mental game if someone beats them or not though.
Battersea Power Station
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I don't know about all this nostalgia, but your post definitely made me want to go out and get some naan to dip in a double curry.
In a thread all about curry, this is strangely appropriate. ^Damnit.
The other issue with pre-zone is all the whistles and missed defensive violations. Zone makes it easier for refs and players, fewer whistles, fewer blown calls.
Offside traps in hockey (before they got rid of it in the 2000s) and soccer (before they fixed it in the 90s) are universally loathed. Nobody likes rules where a defending player can move away from an offensive player who isn't looking and draw a call.
Offside traps in hockey (before they got rid of it in the 2000s) and soccer (before they fixed it in the 90s) are universally loathed. Nobody likes rules where a defending player can move away from an offensive player who isn't looking and draw a call.
XiaNaphryz
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But hand checking and more physicality made defense superior back then!
benjipwns
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You import the 1980's Pistons or first three-peat Bulls into a modern game against the Warriors and they'll be spending half the game wondering why everyone is standing outside the arc and shooting from there.
In 1991, all the teams combined took 586 three point attempts. (And made 187.) Stephen Curry has already taken 584 threes by himself this season. (And made 266.)
In 1991, all the teams combined took 586 three point attempts. (And made 187.) Stephen Curry has already taken 584 threes by himself this season. (And made 266.)
DataStream
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That is cray.
I agree, it'll be about who wants it more. Mental toughness. Scrappy players who have that fire inside them. Steel sharpens steel. Guts. Real gym rats. Someone you'd want in the foxhole with you.
He's made 276 after tonight.
benjipwns
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You'd think ESPN's database would automatically update his totals since it lists the game in his game logs smh
FullMetalx117
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If only "fire inside them" was a measurable quality. Seriously, who can actually legitimately say some player "wants it more" than the other? I'm sure Curry wants to win another championship as much as anyone else
Vault Dweller 111
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So.. You think Curry would have more trouble is he was playing against Jordan, Rodman, or the Bad Boys? Okay... Two of the best defensive players ever. Would he play the Bulls every night? Bad Boys are one of the best defensive teams ever, would they be playing against them every night? Terrible argument.
When people bring up eras to discredit the Warriors it drives me nuts.
Hypemaster
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I nearly lost my damn mind when I saw his stats this game.
20/27 fg %
10/15 3 pointers made
What the flying fuck Curry!?!?!? I'm running out of the amount of praises I can give to this dude.
20/27 fg %
10/15 3 pointers made
What the flying fuck Curry!?!?!? I'm running out of the amount of praises I can give to this dude.
chamberlain-esque
Frozenprince
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Steph Curry is having the greatest offensive season any basketball player has ever had.
Not having the best season overall though. But he may very well do so at some point.
Not having the best season overall though. But he may very well do so at some point.
He is breaking the game.
The best description the media-talking heads now give instead of reaching for new superlatives - "this is just stupid".
It really depends on how you define "greatest offensive season".
He is doing some unprecedented things, no doubt, but it's quite easy to come with a criteria that wouldn't have him finish in the top place.
XiaNaphryz
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He's probably going by efficiency stats, which is what most of the writers I've seen are going by when talking about his this season so far. What he's doing at the sheer volume of shots he's putting up is indeed unprecedented.
I've watched many NBA games in my life, I've been to every NBA arena (outside OKC, but I don't recognize them as a legitimate franchise #SaveOurSonics) and the sound that the home crowd make when the dubs are visiting and Steph goes all HE'S ON FIRE on their ass is something I have not personally heard.
It's this weird sigh of resignation mixed with "come on!" pleas.
Frozenprince
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Yep, his TS% was at 68% last I checked, Jordan's best was 61% IIRC (might be 62%).
I'm a big stats guy, plus the eye test just pops at you as well. There's nothing anybody can do to stop him.
Man up he beats you, 1-3-1, 1-2-2-, triangle, flat press, half court, doesn't matter he'll get his.
Sho_Nuff82
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The way the crowd was reacting it took me a second to realize this game was in DC. Wiz fans lost all hope a year after being a breath away from the conference finals. East Coast Rockets.
benjipwns
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32+% USG and 60+% TS seasons:
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Player Season TS% USG% ORtg
Stephen Curry 2015-16 .676 32.5 126
Michael Jordan* 1990-91 .605 32.9 125
Kevin Durant 2013-14 .635 33.0 123
Michael Jordan* 1987-88 .603 34.1 123
Michael Jordan* 1988-89 .614 32.1 123
Michael Jordan* 1989-90 .606 33.7 123
LeBron James 2009-10 .604 33.5 121
Karl Malone* 1989-90 .626 32.6 118
Karl Malone* 1996-97 .600 32.7 118
Yao Ming 2006-07 .601 33.5 111Not quite like chamberlain, although I consider what curry is doing more impressive. He shoots efficiently from fucking 30ft. That's just not human.
Frozenprince
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Good looks.
The fact that Yao Ming has top 10 season all time by that metrics should tell about its limitations.
I'm not saying there's no value in such stats, but at the same time, we shouldn't accept it as gospel.
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