Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)
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Tinfoilhatsron
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Hmm okay then. I'd argue that it's a fringe minority that would post this garbage. It's just been amplified by Clinton supporters more than I've seen "BernieBros" tout this. Because the larger narrative, I admit outside of GAF cause I don't visit Poli-GAF, I've been seeing is "go Independent with your vote" instead of voting for HC, which I guess is their opinion... It just doesn't make sense to me because liberal millenials who are interested in surface level politics, but that's just personal bias, just get disillusioned anyway if their favorite doesn't win.
Even beyond just general anti-establishment ideals, those two are polar opposites. It boggles my mind.
Wasn't trying to accuse of you of lying man, just think it's blown up to exaggerated levels. Eh, I could be wrong and this might be a bigger problem, but definitely doesn't fit my logic when someone who votes for a socialist weed supporter would turn around and vote for Drumpf.
Well, I can at least be thankful our demagogues have term limits.
But again, she's going to lose to the Trumpster...
boiled goose
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Maybe, or perhaps they are less liberal than dems in more liberal states.
Why do you say that?
plagiarize
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Not impossible but not looking very likely.
vainglorious
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People are disappointed or surprised by Mass? Uh, Hillary won Mass in the 2008 primaries.
Chie Satonaka
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+10 in the polls.
For now!
Randolph Freelander
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BELIEVE
FinalStageBoss
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Slackerish
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What % would it have to be for Iowa not to count as a tie, for future reference?
Ehh. The math doesn't add up, I have no idea how he wins at this point.
BigJonsson
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Listen to Gutter_trash, he called the Liberal majority in Canada before anyone lol
plagiarize
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MA is a very white state with a lot of colleges. Demographically it looks a lot like states Bernie does well in.
Michael F. Assbender
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Lmao they're desperate enough for that to be their next step.
Already Torn
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Because he has fingers of a very reasonable length, is huge with Hispanics, is going to be huge with the banks, and is a great negotiator. He's going to become the President, he's going to Make America Great Again, and unlike Hillary Clinton, he's going to do it
Legally.
This is even assuming she's allowed to run at all and who knows? Maybe she shouldn't be allowed. Nasty, untrustworthy person.
excelsiorlef
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Major shade
eyeball_kid
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And yet polls have been showing Bernie beats Trump in the general, Clinton loses. Not sure where this loser narrative is coming from.
That's such a huge fear of mine. I think Clinton probably is more electable than Sanders against Herr Drumpf, but I'm not certain.
Bernie spent much of his life working outside the Democratic Party, from a state with a pretty unusual political history and an ideology that no other national politician supports. To many voters, this makes him "anti-establishment". To others, a candidate only deserves that label if they're not a politician.
DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, this is fucked, and not the least bit unexpected. These people are trash heaps.
superdeluxe
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Not according to the bench marks, or were you saying better than expected according to poligaf?
A Human Becoming
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She also won New Hampshire.
Not in that way. He is by not being tied to one of the two major parties. There are huge perks to it and they dominate the political system in the US.
excelsiorlef
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As always Iowa was not a tie.
Trump/Underwood 2016
... for now.
Gotcha.
gutter_trash
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Trump saved the World from another Bush, think about that for a second
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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plagiarize
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Better than people thought he might based on the polls. But outperforming certain polls just shows those polls didn't get it right, not that you're gaining momentum. Cause there's no sign he is.
It doesn't matter if you win or lose a state by small percentage. Look at the delegate counts.
minor effort
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People keep trying to assure us, "oh Trump is actually quite moderate and will tone it down in the GE"
Look at the movement he's already created. It's disgusting.
Brainfreeze
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I think he's anti-democratic party more than anti-establishment like Trump. He was an independent for most of that time, and he's running like an independent. He's not the level of Trump, which I think is why we don't see the same fervor as we saw with Trump, but he still has some clear differences from the rest of the candidates past and present.
boiled goose
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I mean, call it a win if you want. :/
My point was focused on enthusiasm that could be carried to a win in a general election. In terms of that, there is no clear difference in Iowa. If you want the win for the your personal chalkboard, go for it...
I'm trying to discuss substance here.
Oh I know. Even without SD, Clinton is solidly ahead.
However, based on the trends we are seeing and the polls and demographics in upcoming states, I think we have a race.
I thought sanders was going to need MA, but the pledged delegates are going to be the same pretty much. I did not expect him to win Oklahoma, Minne, and Colorado as solidly as he did.
The race is decided March 15.
Netherscourge
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I'm just shocked how many people are voting for Trump.
Even AFTER all his KKK hedging this weekend.
There are a lot of sick people in this country.
Even AFTER all his KKK hedging this weekend.
There are a lot of sick people in this country.
He doesn't. He has been done since the last round of elections/caucuses.
People like to crow about momentum, but demographics have always been infinitely more important.
Looking at those, it has been pretty obvious that Sander's path to the nomination was so narrow as to be essentially non-existent.
Battersea Power Station
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It's 508 to 295 for Clinton.
vainglorious
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Mass didn't vote for Obama in the 2008 primaries, replaced Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in 2010 with fucking Scott Brown, and just elected another republican Governor. Demographically Massachusetts bucks trends with regularity.
The people on NeoGAF who follow politics on a regular basis tend to get wrapped up in election victories, seat counts, appointments, district gerrymandering, etc. Bernie's campaign has been less about winning the Presidency than it is about starting a political movement. So especially for the people who aren't Bernie supporters, there isn't a lot of appreciation for things that don't contribute to a victory. Specifically, a lot of people don't think that Bernie's movement means anything because he is unlikely to win the nomination. More than a few are resentful that people are energized around the issues he brings up because it makes Clinton's road to the Presidency a bit more bumpy.
I also think that a lot of people are just not on board with the issues that Sanders is bringing up. It's one thing to say you support all these socialist economic policies when they're far off ideas. It's another to actually support a politician who has/had a chance of bringing them forward.
I do think it's a bit annoying that after years of reading GAFers lament about the fact that socialism etc isn't taken seriously, that there's such a large group that feels very threatened by Sanders's campaign and are eager for him to drop out. I mean, if I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders was very popular here before his campaign for President. I first learned about him on GAF. It was kind of disappointing to realize that a lot of the policially engaged GAFers are so strongly against his candidacy.
plagiarize
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If Sanders had won Iowa, the narrative would have been one of history repeating itself, and it would have bolstered Sanders. Wins matter towards public opinion, and public opinion can sway later primaries.
She won more delegates in Iowa, right? That is what the primary is all about. It would have been a tie if they got the exact same amount of delegates.
A Human Becoming
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The US has an even bigger racism problem than I thought.
You know that's not completely true. Rubio got momentum for placing third (which he botched in New Hampshire). Considering he was going against Hillary Clinton and had been dismissed from the get go he did very well.
Now of course Iowa was made for Sanders by being filled with white liberals, but I didn't say the narrative was fair.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
He knows what he is doing and that is the scary part. He is a businessman and he knows how to play the game. He knows attacking works and will win for him.
why are you continuing to ignore the number of delegates won. this is the same mistake that hillary made in 2008.
theignoramus
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That video is fucking appalling.
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