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[The Albatross]

This is a clever message but misses that the majority of countries in the Middle East are not representative democracies, but corrupt military-backed dictatorships.

In his last election, Saddam Hussein won 100% of votes (0 dissenting votes) with perfect, 100% voter turnout (amazingly, not a single eligible voter forgot to vote or, say, stubbed their toe going to the polls). And yet, a year later after the fall of the Ba'athists, the country instantaneously fell into a starkly divided civil war over religious, ethnic, economic, and geopolitical lines.

 

[MThanded]

It's 508 to 295 for Clinton.

It seems like a lot of people are just ignoring this for a few measily small percentage wins.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Maybe, or perhaps they are less liberal than dems in more liberal states.

Maybe Sanders should have campaigned there instead of running to Minnesota to tell them how smart they are.

 

[ssharm02]

This video is making the rounds right now: https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/704886202554568704

A black woman getting pushed around at a Trump rally, with the police looking on.

This is sad

 

[Sean*O]

This is what Hillary will need to use to energize young people against Trump.

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

 

[Maxim726X]

He doesn't. He has been done since the last round of elections/caucuses.

People like to crow about momentum, but demographics have always been infinitely more important.

Looking at those, it has been pretty obvious that Sander's path to the nomination was so narrow as to be essentially non-existent.

I agree, but it looks like news networks like CNN are painting a different picture for ratings and honestly it's very misleading.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I'm just shocked how many people are voting for Drumpf.

Even AFTER all his KKK hedging this weekend.

There are a lot of sick people in this country.

...but, but he disavowed them.... in which I say, the fuck out of here, those interviews he gave were pathetic.

 

[User 463088]

I mean, call it a win if you want. :/

My point was focused on enthusiasm that could be carried to a win in a general election. In terms of that, there is no clear difference in Iowa. If you want the win for the your personal chalkboard, go for it...

I'm trying to discuss substance here.

The difference is she got more delegates than he did! At every level in the process! She got 23 he got 21. She won the Iowa caucus. It was not a tie.

And just because a candidate doesn't carry a state in the primary doesn't mean they won't in the General. Hillary won California, Mass, NY, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Colorado in 2008, yet Obama won all of them handily.

 

[Dicer]

This video is making the rounds right now: https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/704886202554568704

A black woman getting pushed around at a Drumpf rally, with the police looking on.

Welcome to your future nation people...

 

[Kickz]

What is going on with Minnesota? Rubio up big in early tally.

The establishment tricked my states citizens by putting local nba star Ricky Rubios name on the ballot.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

Mmmmmmm.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you?

 

[foxtrot3d]

This is a clever message but misses that the majority of countries in the Middle East are not representative democracies, but corrupt military-backed dictatorships.

In his last election, Saddam Hussein won 100% of votes (0 dissenting votes) with perfect, 100% voter turnout (amazingly, not a single eligible voter forgot to vote or, say, stubbed their toe going to the polls). And yet, after the fall of the Ba'athists, the country instantaneously fell into a starkly divided civil war over religious, ethnic, economic, and geopolitical lines.

I don't think that tweet calls for an educated, lengthy response. It's a cute little comedic jab at our current election climate, it isn't meant to hold up under scrutiny.

 

[Rubenov]

Alaska to finish caucusing in 3 minutes

 

[Movement]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

What?

You do understand the difference between these scenarios, right?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

Get over it son, you like a slimeball

 

[MThanded]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

It's not race baiting to discuss the reality of the candidate and his some of his base.

I know you probably claim to be colorblind and know that racism is over.

This video is just one of the many examples of this behavior.

 

[BFIB]

I'm just shocked how many people are voting for Trump.

Even AFTER all his KKK hedging this weekend.

There are a lot of sick people in this country.

The underlying racism is back out in full force now that there is a light at the end of the Obama Presidency. It's sad really.

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

This video is making the rounds right now: https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/704886202554568704

A black woman getting pushed around at a Trump rally, with the police looking on.

Watching this kind of stuff never fails to dishearten me.

 

[Cerium]

I made it big on PredictIt tonight, wooh

Nice. How much did you make and in what markets?

 

[boiled goose]

If Sanders had won Iowa, the narrative would have been one of history repeating itself, and it would have bolstered Sanders. Wins matter towards public opinion, and public opinion can sway later primaries.

I agree! which is why I think the 7-4 split is a good narrative for Sanders, despite the delegate deficit.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

The underlying racism is back out in full force now that there is a light at the end of the Obama Presidency. It's sad really.

Holy shit. It wasn't out in full force during the last 7 years?

 

[Slackerish]

I mean, call it a win if you want. :/

My point was focused on enthusiasm that could be carried to a win in a general election. In terms of that, there is no clear difference in Iowa. If you want the win for the your personal chalkboard, go for it...

I'm trying to discuss substance here.

The only #'s I care about is the delegates and then in the general election is the electoral college.

You were saying it was a tie, so let's set a standard. There could easily be a state that Bernie wins < .5%.

 

[MartyStu]

I agree, but it looks like news networks like CNN are painting a different picture for ratings and honestly it's very misleading.

They are actually being responsible here.

Their job is not to crown victors but to discuss. This is all for the sake of discussion which DOES equal more eyeballs. True.

 

[plagiarize]

I agree! which is why I think the 7-4 split is a good narrative for Sanders, despite the delegate deficit.

I know

But Clinton has won 10 states to Sander's 5. So far.

 

[User 85168]

Has anyone seen explanation on the missing percentages on Oklahoma? I see 42-52 with 100% reported.

 

[Maxim726X]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

Oh? How many videos are circulating from Sanders/Clinton rallies involving racial violence?

I'll wait.

 

[royalan]

Bernie did a lot better than expected, Hillary did a lot better than expected in the South.

Now the narrative is for Bernie to campaign hard in the states that are more favorable to him, he's narrowed and overcame polls before, he can do it again!

No, he can't.

Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but the math just doesn't work out for him. At this point, just winning isn't enough for Bernie. To catch up to her lead, he has to BLOW HER OUT in several states coming up, and the polls just don't indicate that's going to happen. In fact, there are states still to come where it looks like Hillary will blow him out. And if the polls have been wrong about anything so far, its been in underestimating Hillary's support. She's over-performing, There's just no logical path to the nomination for him at this point.

 

[BFIB]

Holy shit. It wasn't out in full force during the last 7 years?

Compared to the last 6 months? It's getting worse by the day.

 

[Cyriades]

This video is making the rounds right now: https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/704886202554568704

A black woman getting pushed around at a Trump rally, with the police looking on.

They'd have lynched her if they could've.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Iowa showed Trump was not strong in the Midwest, but I did not expect third in Minnesota!

 

[MartyStu]

The only #'s I care about is the delegates and then in the general election is the electoral college.

You were saying it was a tie, so let's set a standard. There could easily be a state that Bernie wins < .5%.

'Win' means little in Iowa when the two are that close. They do not have a 'winner take all' system.

 

[TyrantII]

Mass didn't vote for Obama in the 2008 primaries, replaced Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in 2010 with fucking Scott Brown, and just elected another republican Governor. Demographically Massachusetts bucks trends with regularity.

Martha Coakley.

Nuff Said. Sometimes the state party and GOTV apparatus makes a terrible decision. And people stay home.

Clinton ain't Coakley.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Very happy as a Bernie supporter tonight, it proves that he can stay in for a while, as he has money and many, many of the upcoming states, specifically starting 3/22, are ones he can take. I hope he is able to go to Michigan and swing some votes. This Sunday's debate will be big for him.

 

[giga]

Has anyone seen explanation on the missing percentages on Oklahoma? I see 42-52 with 100% reported.

6.6 other (feel the chafee)

 

[Valhelm]

No, he can't.

Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but the math just doesn't work out for him. At this point, just winning isn't enough for Bernie. To catch up to her lead, he has to BLOW HER OUT in several states coming up, and the polls just don't indicate that's going to happen. In fact, there are states still to come where it looks like Hillary will blow him out. And if the polls have been wrong about anything so far, its been in underestimating Hillary's support. She's over-performing, There's just no logical path to the nomination for him at this point.

Agreed, it's really unlikely. Sanders' only hope is gaining a larger share of the Hispanic vote, which doesn't seem probable.

 

[boiled goose]

Yeah because we need more race baiting bullshit. Imagine if someone suggested Trump used a video of a white guy getting beat up by a gang of blacks.. What would you think of the person making that suggestion?

Bullshit?? In one case, people are clearly being targeted for their race.
Hispanics getting attacked while people yell USA.
African Americans getting attacked while people chant All lives matter and racial threats.

Yeah... Im the one race baiting.

Trump has not decried this violence and is hesitant to condemn the KKK. HE is the one race baiting. He is the one tapping into facist racism for support. Progressives should be terrified and fight back.

The only #'s I care about is the delegates and then in the general election is the electoral college.

You were saying it was a tie, so let's set a standard. There could easily be a state that Bernie wins < .5%.

dude.. you are trying to pin me on something that I don't really care too much about.
When it comes to delegates, anything within 2% is basically a tie. When it comes to narrative, winning matters, winning by a lot matters, losing but not too badly matters. Sorry if this is too nuanced for you to understand.

For example, I do think Sanders losing MA is a bad sign. That said, it was close enough and he won convincingly in Minne and colo and somewhat surprisingly in OK that it almost doesnt matter.

There were 4 mystery states up for grabs today. Minnesota, Colorado, Oklahoma, Massachusetts. Vermont and the South was not gonna be close. Sanders won 3 comfortably and lost MA but not by much. In terms of expectations, Sanders did fine. If you don't agree, go read the early posts on the thread. How many Hillary supporters predicted a 7-4 split???

I was wrong too. I thought he could outperform the polls and edge a win in MA but i did not think he could win the other 3 states.

I like politics and political analysis. I'm not trying to push a specific agenda. You might be projecting here.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is a clever message but misses that the majority of countries in the Middle East are not representative democracies, but corrupt military-backed dictatorships.

In his last election, Saddam Hussein won 100% of votes (0 dissenting votes) with perfect, 100% voter turnout (amazingly, not a single eligible voter forgot to vote or, say, stubbed their toe going to the polls). And yet, a year later after the fall of the Ba'athists, the country instantaneously fell into a starkly divided civil war over religious, ethnic, economic, and geopolitical lines.

Whereas the US if Trump is elected took him on willingly.

 

[Ashodin]

Nice. How much did you make and in what markets?

Keep in mind I just started.

But tripling my shares is not bad for a first timer

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Very happy as a Bernie supporter tonight, it proves that he can stay in for a while, as he has money and many, many of the upcoming states, specifically starting 3/22, are ones he can take. I hope he is able to go to Michigan and swing some votes. This Sunday's debate will be big for him.

They got a big ol' chunk of money. I hope they have a creative team that can do something high-impact.

Edit: Just noticed I'm rooting for Bernie... while hoping the money decides the election :/

 

[chadskin]

AP calls Vermont for Trump.

 

[Overlee]

The people on NeoGAF who follow politics on a regular basis tend to get wrapped up in election victories, seat counts, appointments, district gerrymandering, etc. Bernie's campaign has been less about winning the Presidency than it is about starting a political movement. So especially for the people who aren't Bernie supporters, there isn't a lot of appreciation for things that don't contribute to a victory. Specifically, a lot of people don't think that Bernie's movement means anything because he is unlikely to win the nomination. More than a few are resentful that people are energized around the issues he brings up because it makes Clinton's road to the Presidency a bit more bumpy.

I also think that a lot of people are just not on board with the issues that Sanders is bringing up. It's one thing to say you support all these socialist economic policies when they're far off ideas. It's another to actually support a politician who has/had a chance of bringing them forward.

I do think it's a bit annoying that after years of reading GAFers lament about the fact that socialism etc isn't taken seriously, that there's such a large group that feels very threatened by Sanders's campaign and are eager for him to drop out. I mean, if I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders was very popular here before his campaign for President. I first learned about him on GAF. It was kind of disappointing to realize that a lot of the policially engaged GAFers are so strongly against his candidacy.

Just quoting you because politics should not be viewed as a sport even though we try and make it like one. I do think the gaming roots of this forum prevent real substantial policy discussion and everything just devolves into repeating narrative talking points.

I've tried to point out that even the anti-Sanders contingency crowd here on GAF was participating in "the revolution" by discussing things Sanders platform brings to the conversation that the DNC does not but was met with denial and stubbornness. He's changing the game and change is scary.

 

[Effnine]

Very happy as a Bernie supporter tonight, it proves that he can stay in for a while, as he has money and many, many of the upcoming states, specifically starting 3/22, are ones he can take. I hope he is able to go to Michigan and swing some votes. This Sunday's debate will be big for him.

No offense, but ...

 

[SaviourMK2]

Where the he'll is Carson, I know he has no chance in hell, but it's like he was never there

 

[ApharmdX]

I do think it's a bit annoying that after years of reading GAFers lament about the fact that socialism etc isn't taken seriously, that there's such a large group that feels very threatened by Sanders's campaign and are eager for him to drop out. I mean, if I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders was very popular here before his campaign for President. I first learned about him on GAF. It was kind of disappointing to realize that a lot of the policially engaged GAFers are so strongly against his candidacy.

There's a segment of Americans who are socially liberal but are authoritarian (pro-corporation/pro-military industrial complex). I know some people like this but I've been surprised by how strident they are here. I can't imagine enthusiastically supporting that position, and Hillary as a candidate based on her policy positions, but some genuinely do. Others seem to be genuinely scared by the current state of the right, and want to go with the safest option, which is understandable, particularly for vulnerable groups with lots to lose. It's fascinating, anyway.

 

[Hige]

I don't expect Bernie to win the nomination (nor do most people), so the football-spiking that goes on in these threads by Hillary fans always strikes me as petty. Why not be happy with just winning?

 

[Kangi]

AP calls Vermont for Trump.

The dream is dead.

 

[Black Republican]

Even fox doesn't care about rubios 1st state win. Ouch

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

No offense, but ...

Im very happen within the context of what COULD have happened.

 

[Steel]

Bullshit?? In one case, people are clearly being targeted for their race.
Hispanics getting attacked while people yell USA.
African Americans getting attacked while people chant All lives matter and racial threats.

Yeah... Im the one race baiting.

Trump has not decried this violence and is hesitant to condemn the KKK. HE is the one race baiting. He is the one tapping into facist racism for support. Progressives should be terrified and fight back.

Not to mention even if we collectively brain bleach the KKK thing there's still so many other shitty xenophobic things that Donald Trump has said that you really couldn't run out of ammo on that front.

 

[Miles X]

Hillary - 8
Bernie - 4

Trump - 7
Cruz - 2
Rubio - 1

Alaska is yet to be counted.