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Triggerhappytel
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I didn't think the film was bad at all, but while the first half was pretty good, the second half is incredibly rushed and they completely wasted Red Skull.
Jack Remington
Banned
Hulk yes, Thor no in the MCU. There's probably be a gap, but it's smaller than in the Staczynski comics. Hulk is the strongest there is though. I mean Thor probably wins a significant majority, but they're all tough fights instead of curbstomps. (Aside, in many comics that weren't Straczynski, Iron Man and Thor were depicted as being fairly similar in power, particular in some of the pre-2000s comics. There was an Iron Man and Thor 6 issue event a few years back that put them roughly on par with each other).
Still, Iron Man was no slouch outside of his own series. Dude soloed the first Ultron incarnation, remember.
Cap was in no way the third strongest. Cap legit fighting Iron Man and standing a chance is pretty stupid. But Iron Man was subjected to so many indignities in Iron Man 2 and 3 that it's not completely out of place.
BKatastrophe
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I'm not saying that Tony's not strong, but he's not the strongest.
My main gripes with TFA was the movie spends too much time framing him as a propaganda, even when he supposedly becomes a hero.
There were no tensions or good action sequences to enjoy.
Doesn't help that the final scene where Cap chasing the plane felt like it was lifted straight from Uncharted 3 which was demo-ed and released the same year.
There were no tensions or good action sequences to enjoy.
Doesn't help that the final scene where Cap chasing the plane felt like it was lifted straight from Uncharted 3 which was demo-ed and released the same year.
Jack Remington
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Oh for sure not, but there's no way he's below Cap.
Unless Thor Ragnarok shows otherwise though, there's a big gap between Hulk and Thor. Ultron soloed Thor easily, whereas Hulk treated Ultron like a ragdoll (Ultron was damaged at that point, but it was still a completely savage beatdown by Hulk).
It goes Hulk >>>>> Thor >> Iron Man. Scarlet Witch is probably up there depending on how they write her, and Vision might be between Thor and Iron Man, or at Thor level. Comics Iron Man should handle Vision, but it seems like they buffed him in the movies, at least in AoU.
It is a trough and trough average movie, it excels at nothing.
BudokaiMR2
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Honestly, the biggest problem with the first Cap movie was how much it drags in the middle. I don't mind sitting through the origin parts, but the entire middle part where he was a glorified bonds salesman just felt like it went on too long.
I feel like wasting so much time on that just added to how rushed the last sequences felt.
It has been a long ass time since I saw the movie though.
I feel like wasting so much time on that just added to how rushed the last sequences felt.
It has been a long ass time since I saw the movie though.
Thor fought Hulk one on one in the Avengers though, and probably got the best of him. Even blocked one of Hulk's hammer fists and was able to hold it off. He did get rag dolled once towards the end of the fight but it was pretty even until the fighter jet interrupted.
Jack Remington
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Yeah, but Hulk was pretty confused throughout that full fight and was nowhere near the levels he's shown in other fights. Thor was hanging on with his skill advantage.
In a drawn out fight like Hulk vs Hulkbuster, base Thor would get murdered. Unless Thor Ragnarok redefines their power levels in relation to each other.
I mean Ultron pretty much grabs Thor by the throat, and Thor can't do a damn thing about it. No way he does that to Hulk.
In a drawn out fight like Hulk vs Hulkbuster, base Thor would get murdered. Unless Thor Ragnarok redefines their power levels in relation to each other.
I mean Ultron pretty much grabs Thor by the throat, and Thor can't do a damn thing about it. No way he does that to Hulk.
BKatastrophe
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I'll admit I'm overblowing Cap's strength, but the gap between Hulk and Thor is not that big. And Vision is absolutely more powerful than Iron Man by a lot.
Pretty much how I feel. Though it could be assumed Hulk wasn't going all out. Picture Thor going against the same Hulk at the end of TIH. Would Thor still win that?
Glass Rebel
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Yung Steve jumping on the grenade is still one of my fave Cap moments.
BudokaiMR2
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Yung Steve jumping on the grenade is still one of my fave Cap moments.
Yung Steve was the GOAT. One of my favorite parts of the new CW trailer is the "I can do this all day..." throwback. So good.
It could be assumed Thor wasn't either; he was basically taking Hulk on in a fist fight, only used Mjolnir once (and it rag dolled Hulk) and no lightning/powers at all. Tough to say, but I think MCU Thor is a bit tougher than we give him credit for.
Jack Remington
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Not sure it's "a lot." We're really extrapolating. Basically, Vision was able to judo Thor out of the way when Thor tried to rush him, and then managed to briefly overpower Ultron with a beam attack. Not sure you can draw enough from that to say what the degree of the gap is.
And come on, the difference in what Thor could do against Ultron vs what Hulk did to Ultron should settle the gap between them. Thor was powerless against Ultron without an assist from Vision. Hulk made Ultron a ragdoll.
Thor does have some big power moments, they just aren't brought up much . In Thor 1 he wtfstomps the Destroyer, which was hyped and had that sweet sounding blast. He also flew through that big monster's head which was awesome.
In Avengers Hulk smashes one or two of the alien dragons, Iron Man wants to show off and flies through one and gets banged up, and when Cap tells Thor to use his lightning to bottleneck, he destroys like 3 in one blast.
I agree he hasn't been shown as consistently powerful and he is nerfed from the comics, but he does have some moments that show he's on a completely different level from everyone but a pissed off Hulk.
In Avengers Hulk smashes one or two of the alien dragons, Iron Man wants to show off and flies through one and gets banged up, and when Cap tells Thor to use his lightning to bottleneck, he destroys like 3 in one blast.
I agree he hasn't been shown as consistently powerful and he is nerfed from the comics, but he does have some moments that show he's on a completely different level from everyone but a pissed off Hulk.
Mostly because Ultron's hands are too small to grab Hulk by the throat.
This. Also, I hesitate to call that a straight demonstration of his powers with Ultron; Thor was intentionally stalling. I don't think anyone would argue rather than being helpless against the choke, he could have called Mjoljir and whacked Ultron in the arm.
Jack Remington
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Come on, he's gasping for breath and saying "The son of Odin does not yield..."
That's stuff you say when you're in a very bad position. Plus it's a direct reference to the scene in Ultron Unlimited where Ultron absolutely crushes Thor (Hulk is not in this one, interestingly enough).
That's stuff you say when you're in a very bad position. Plus it's a direct reference to the scene in Ultron Unlimited where Ultron absolutely crushes Thor (Hulk is not in this one, interestingly enough).
He was holding back. You can get in a lot of shit when you hold back because you're not fighting full on, you're constantly balancing strength and restraint.
What does he say after that? "I'm running out of things to say...", while smiling because it was an obvious ploy.
I just took that as a dull attempt at humor by Whedon.
Rayven_king
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I hope they fix these in the movie, falcons wings were designed in wakanda, so was the quinnjet
PhoncipleBone
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Just have Hank Pym show up too and rub it in even more.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Unless it's Zemo with some HYDRA tech.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I re-watched Age of Ultron yesterday and I like how they've gradually built up Tony Stark to be the bad guy. Since the first Avengers he's been in a panic mode that he's making all the wrong calls and for all the wrong reasons.
It became so obvious that they're doing the "live long enough to see yourself become the villian" but instead of having someone say the sentence they've showed it to the audience. Great stuff.
It became so obvious that they're doing the "live long enough to see yourself become the villian" but instead of having someone say the sentence they've showed it to the audience. Great stuff.
#AlienLivesMatter
I saw a gif of that; convinced me he really was Cap.
Vision being controlled by Wanda???
Best meme.
I feel like most of AoU is conveniently forgotten by MCU critics. I mean holy hell, people say the MCU has never addressed collateral damage or global mistrust of the Avengers when that's essentially the crux of Wanda and Pietro's backstory. But I suppose that's what it gets for being overstuffed.
But that wasn't Global mistrust of the Avengers, but Mistrust for Stark in particular for something that happened before be even became Iron Man.
Remember when the crowd chanted "Avenger go home"?
More_Badass
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Yup, after crushing Tony's armor like tissue paper and tanking a point-blank blast to the faceMCU Thor headbutts Iron Man like it ain't no thing though
Not really, I do remember someone throwing acid at one of the Iron Legion bots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZLr7tsB604
The Sokovians weren't too thrilled about the Avengers being there.
The Sokovians weren't too thrilled about the Avengers being there.
Pai Pai Master
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There's also a very distinct segment at the end of the first Avengers movie that calls them into question by the public, despite the first impression around the world of being relatively positive. From Avengers to Winter Soldier to Age of Ultron, the public outcry we are seeing now against them was built up very gradually and naturally.
BronsonLee
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The only superficial qualm I have is that it's taken this long for the global governments to respond directly but that's a byproduct of this story being told through movies. The same complaint could be levied at BvS and its 3 year gap since MoS, though that movie might be set mere months to a year after MoS and not in real time like the MCU.
The progression seems pretty clear for anyone who has bothered to pay attention.
-> Iron man arrives
-> the US government tries to convince Tony to turn over the armor but settles for War Machine
-> SHIELD opens up the Avengers initiative
-> Thor arrives
-> in direct response, the world security council reopens research into the tesseract for weapons manufacturing
-> The Avengers stops the Chitauri as an officially sanctioned SHIELD response team
-> SHIELD collapses, the global governments defer to the Avengers while they try to salvage their security network
-> Sokovia and Ultron happens
-> global governments go WTF and respond with the accords
But seeing as how this is stretched out over so many movies, I don't fault for a casual viewer to wonder why Iron Man and Cap are suddenly fighting
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The post you quoted specifically says besides this comic
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You want them to strip Spider-Man of his Spider-Sense, Spider-Reflexes and Spider-Agility?
BronsonLee
Member
No, I want him to get shot in the face with an arrow
All those other nerfs are just a bonus!
He'll have Hawkeye webbed and strung up before he can even reach for his quiver.
More_Badass
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