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[Sohter.Nura]

SCOTUS is a fucking huge deal.

And how precisely is your vote going to throw a wrench into the plans of the elite in this country?

If you're voting for Hillary, our vote most *definitely* won't throw the elites off

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It's time for me to stop refreshing this thread -_-

 

[FSLink]

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

Jesus Christ please tell me this is a joke.

 

[aliengmr]

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

Oh boy....

 

[RDreamer]

Yes to your first question, and btw Trump is not going to throw a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country. He is **part** of the elite and depends on corporate law to keep himself and his family there.

Seriously, do people really think Trump wouldn't be friendly to corporate interests as president? Do they really think any nominee he put into the supreme court wouldn't be pretty goddamned friendly to corporations?

 

[Aaronology]

"...the whole SCOTUS appointment thing."

I think I should go to bed now.

 

[BearFlexington]

Point out the Hillary people, I'm betting the vast majority are Bernie people who are willing to swallow the Hillary pill because they know it is the better choice for our country.



Trump v. Hillary

New lens. Damn, you sure you are a Bernie supporter?

Really would love some insight in how you go from Bernie to Trump.

If I state that I would never be pushed into voting for Hillary, what makes you think that I would vote for Trump under the circumstances that exist today. If Bernie vanished today, I would not vote because a vote means something. It's a singular nudge of encouragement if nothing else and there is nothing about Clinton that I wish to encourage.

You may say 'well what about Trump!?' If Trump is the flame and the only solution is to drown myself in water, how is that an action worth waisting even an afternoon's energy on? I'm fucked regardless. And if you think you have enough information at this stage to compare the dangers of the two you are wrong. Clinton is for the War on Drugs and a hawk. She handled the Benghazi investigation like a seventh grader in the principle's office and used the earthquake to help rape Haiti's of its resources. At best, she's a neocon and I know what neocons are about and will not even nudge one of the fuckers with a willing vote.

If you don't understand, that's fine. After all, what the fuck am I but a 'superpredator'?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Me taking is notice that we had this thread already is complaining now?

People silently notice things all the time.

No one posting in this thread gives a shit if it has been had already or not.

It's why we are here, posting.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Why would we need Bernie 2.0 or Bernie 3.0 when we can have Bernie 1.0? What the heck?

But you're not getting Bernie 1.0? Like, that's a fact. He's lost to Hillary, he's not an option for the general since it will, you know, have Hillary in it. Who he's lost to already.


*notes your edit*

... You can still vote Bern in the primary, knock yourself out that's how this whole thing works. Just as long as you accept his loss when we get to the general.

 

[IrishNinja]

Hello, what is SCOTUS, what is a life-time appointment?

Temporary, like Marbury v. Madison; Gibbons v. Ogden; Dred Scott v. Sanford; Plessy v. Ferguson; Schenck v. U.S; Brown v. Board; Miranda v. Arizona; Roe v. Wade; Lawrence v. Texas; DoC v. Heller; etc etc. etc.

this is a more succinct & thought-out reply than that post called for

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

Benghazi

performance art, or mid-tier trolling? i'd like to remind callers that poe's law is fully in effect mode

 

[ISOM]

Why would we need Bernie 2.0 or Bernie 3.0 when we can have Bernie 1.0? What the heck?

EDIT: Oh right, cuz Hillary's inevitable. People on GAF told me so. The News told me so. Why even vote for Bernie 1.0. Despite what Independents want, establishment Democrats want the establishment Democrat candidate. Then go cry when Independents don't vote for their Queen.

The point is that you don't flush away the future just because your candidate doesn't get elected. A Bernie 2.0 may reappear but the attitude of well fuck them since my guy didn't get elected helps out no one.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

But you're not getting Bernie 1.0? Like, that's a fact. He's lost to Hillary, he's not an option for the general since it will, you know, have Hillary in it. Who he's lost to already.


*notes your edit*

... You can still vote Bern in the primary, knock yourself out that's how this whole thing works. Just as long as you accept his loss when we get to the general.

You can send Hillary to the general. Just don't cry if Bernie supporters don't vote for HIllary in the general? mmkay?

 

[RDreamer]

Probably the only thing he's hard right on is 2nd amendment.

Back in the days when he was openly a democrat (instead of secretly a democrat) he was outspoken about his support for abortion rights. He specifically said that he supported a woman's right to choose, but was against partial birth abortions.

Now he's changed his stance, and all he says is "I'm pro life now". Trump is not a guy to be loose on words. If he supported banning all types of abortions, he would just have been shouting it from the rooftops by now. Just like he has with the wall, and banning muslims, and all the other insane stuff he says. You think he's scared to come out and say "we need to ban all abortions"? But he hasnt' said it. He hasn't even touched on it.

He said he believes in everyone having healthcare (just not Obamacare).

He said corporations should pay more taxes and we should close all the loopholes.

A Trump supreme court nominee would honestly be pretty centrist IMO, and centrist is exactly what we need. A Bernie nominee would be equally as horrible as a Cruz nominee, IMO

Trump has suggested Bill "Roe v Wade the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law" Pryor and Dyane Sykes, another judge who is very against abortion.

 

[Azzanadra]

If I state that I would never be pushed into voting for Hillary, what makes you think that I would vote for Trump under the circumstances that exist today. If Bernie vanished today, I would not vote because a vote means something. It's a singular nudge of encouragement if nothing else and there is nothing about Clinton that I wish to encourage.

You may say 'well what about Trump!?' If Trump is the flame and the only solution is to drown myself in water, how is that an action worth waisting even an afternoon's energy on? I'm fucked regardless. And if you think you have enough information at this stage to compare the dangers of the two you are wrong. Clinton is for the War on Drugs and a hawk. She handled the Benghazi investigation like a seventh grader in the principle's office and used the earthquake to help rape Haiti's of it's resources. At best, she's a neocon and I know what neocons are about and will not even nudge one of the fuckers with a willing vote.

If you don't understand, that's fine. After all, what the fuck am I but a 'superpredator'?

Pretty much this. I understand the whole "lesser evil" thing, but at this point its like choosing between Rafael Trujillo and Hitler. (not comparing either candidate to these guys, but more like their both bad. One is clearly worse then the other, but they both suck). A vote is an endorsement, and just like I wouldn't endorse either of these dictators, I wouldn't endorse either Clinton or Trump.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

You can send Hillary to the general. Just don't cry if Bernie supporters don't vote for HIllary in the general? mmkay?

If only they could actually defend their decision to kill his own policies =/

 

[cpp_is_king]

Trump has suggested Bill "Roe v Wade the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law" Pryor and Dyane Sykes, another judge who is very against abortion.

Is there a source for this? I hadn't heard it.

Edit: Guess I can just google it

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

The point is that you don't flush away the future just because your candidate doesn't get elected. A Bernie 2.0 may reappear but the attitude of well fuck them since my guy didn't get elected helps out no one.

That's just what Bernie supporters see Hillary supporters doing. DOH!

 

[PsychBat!]

People silently notice things all the time.

No one posting in this thread gives a shit if it has been had already or not.

It's why we are here, posting.

You're making an issue out of a simple statement I made.

I never said this thread shouldn't have been made. That would've been thread whining.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

 

[pigeon]

That's just what Bernie supporters see Hillary supporters doing. DOH!

I mean, if you want, we can make a deal. I'll vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination and you can vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. We're both fighting for the future!

 

[IrishNinja]

You can send Hillary to the general. Just don't cry if Bernie supporters don't vote for HIllary in the general? mmkay?

will they promise not to cry about a trump presidency after that? i'd normally echo angelus in here & ask they not pretend to be progressives either, but really, call yourselves what you like, it's the tears i'm concerned about!

 

[ryutaro's mama]

You're making an issue out of a simple statement I made.

I have no idea why it was important to tell a thread full of posters that we had this thread already.

Thanks for the PSA tho.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

I mean, if you want, we can make a deal. I'll vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination and you can vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. We're both fighting for the future!

First of all, that's kind of a crap deal. Bernie is not going to win the Primary, unfortunately.

I'm already voting for HIllary in the general. You don't have to convince me.

 

[studyguy]

Wish people got this riled up about local level elections too, doesn't help when conservatives have a UFC tier stranglehold on the country on the local level basically in every state outside of major metropolis areas.

 

[Daingurse]

Is the whole SCOTUS appointment thing that big of a deal? Bigger of a deal than throwing a wrench in the plans of the elite in this country?

I'm out lol. Time to go to sleep.

 

[pigeon]

First of all, that's kind of a crap deal. Bernie is not going to win the Primary, unfortunately.

I'm already voting for HIllary in the general. You don't have to convince me.

So then I literally don't understand what point you're trying to make in this thread.

 

[Aaronology]

You can send Hillary to the general. Just don't cry if Bernie supporters don't vote for HIllary in the general? mmkay?

Here's the thing. Bernie supporters will be voting for Hillary in the general, right in step with Bernie Sanders himself. The fad hopping, selfish, pretentious and progressive-in-name-only wannabees who merely pretended to care for that man's cause might not, sure. Fuck'em.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Pretty much this. I understand the whole "lesser evil" thing, but at this point its like choosing between Rafael Trujillo and Hitler. (not comparing either candidate to these guys, but more like their both bad. One is clearly worse then the other, but they both suck). A vote is an endorsement, and just like I wouldn't endorse either of these dictators, I wouldn't endorse either Clinton or Trump.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself. Fuck me. Talk about entitlement.

 

[cdyhybrid]

If your response to Bernie losing to Hillary is to vote for Trump, I question why you were even voting for Bernie in the first place.

 

[PsychBat!]

I have no idea why it was important to tell a thread full of posters that we had this thread already.

Thanks for the PSA tho.

It's just a post.

And see my edit.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Trump has suggested Bill "Roe v Wade the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law" Pryor and Dyane Sykes, another judge who is very against abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/25/...ture-of-death-killing-over-50-million-people/

“Let me be clear — I am pro-life. I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk,” he said. “I did not always hold this position, but I had a significant personal experience that brought the precious gift of life into perspective for me.”

Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.

I mean, you can do much worse than this amongst republicans when it comes to stances on abortion. I'm pro choice but I don't think that position is that far out there.

He's outspoken in support of support for Planned Parenthood, just not insofar as they perform abortions. Which I interpret as he will still provide funding for their non abortion services (which he heaps praise on), and won't ban abortions (and certainly not in the case of rape, incest, or when it risks the mother's life), he would just require patients to foot the bill themselves.

I feel comfortable saying that's "in the center" of the positiosn of the left and the right. And that's a compromise I can probably make if it puts this issue to rest.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If your response to Bernie losing to Hillary is to vote for Trump, I question why you were even voting for Bernie in the first place.

Angelus covered it.

 

[RDreamer]

Pretty much this. I understand the whole "lesser evil" thing, but at this point its like choosing between Rafael Trujillo and Hitler. (not comparing either candidate to these guys, but more like their both bad. One is clearly worse then the other, but they both suck). A vote is an endorsement, and just like I wouldn't endorse either of these dictators, I wouldn't endorse either Clinton or Trump.

Jesus, a vote isn't an endorsement. It's a decision where you won't have a perfect choice just like about 99% of choices you'll have to make as an adult in this world.

 

[IrishNinja]

Wish people got this riled up about local level elections too, doesn't help when conservatives have a UFC tier stranglehold on the country on the local level basically in every state outside of major metropolis areas.

they message better, really - and get folks to care about midterm elections
also, aren't local/smaller ones usually more old folks, who tend to lean conservative for fear of change/oncoming death? these are assumptions ive made over the years

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

So then I literally don't understand what point you're trying to make in this thread.

Here, let me help you. Literally.

You can send Hillary to the general. Just don't cry if Bernie supporters don't vote for HIllary in the general? mmkay?

Why would we need Bernie 2.0 or Bernie 3.0 when we can have Bernie 1.0? What the heck?

EDIT: Oh right, cuz Hillary's inevitable. People on GAF told me so. The News told me so. Why even vote for Bernie 1.0. Despite what Independents want, establishment Democrats want the establishment Democrat candidate. Then go cry when Independents don't vote for their Queen.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Wish people got this riled up about local level elections too, doesn't help when conservatives have a UFC tier stranglehold on the country on the local level basically in every state outside of major metropolis areas.

Oh I do, but I'm not getting that specific on my location. Lets put it this way, traditionally democrats don't run for local office in my city.

 

[ISOM]

So then I literally don't understand what point you're trying to make in this thread.

Seems like he's just letting out his frustrations at the inevitability of Bernie not getting the nomination.

 

[AaronB]

I'll translate the OP:

Accept the status quo.
Accept the candidates your betters have chosen for you.
Accept the rule of Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex.
Accept the resulting warmongering and crony capitalism, with bailouts for the privileged.
Let us get you to panic about one evil so that you keep accepting our evil.
Let any idealism or resistance be squashed in the fear that the Supreme Court choices will be decisive
(never mind that a largely Republican-nominated Supreme Court has defended abortion and gay marriage)
Shut up and take what your rulers have chosen for you, and don't spite the system just because it's rigged.

 

[Expansion Pack]

All I'm saying is that you guys are blowing a hypothetical Trump presidency way out of proportion and seriously understating what a Clinton presidency (essentially a president working on behalf of corporate/elite interest groups) would likely do in the long run.

 

[IrishNinja]

I'll translate the OP:

Accept the status quo.
Accept the candidates your betters have chosen for you.
Accept the rule of Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex.
Accept the resulting warmongering and crony capitalism, with bailouts for the privileged.
Let us get you to panic about one evil so that you keep accepting our evil.
Let any idealism or resistance be squashed in the fear that the Supreme Court choices will be decisive
(never mind that a largely Republican-nominated Supreme Court has defended abortion and gay marriage)
Shut up and take what your rulers have chosen for you, and don't spite the system just because it's rigged.

I'll likewise translate the logical response here:

Jesus, a vote isn't an endorsement. It's a decision where you won't have a perfect choice just like about 99% of choices you'll have to make as an adult in this world.

All I'm saying is that you guys are blowing a hypothetical Trump presidency way out of proportion and seriously understating what a Clinton presidency (essentially a president working on behalf of corporate/elite interest groups) would likely have in the long run.

i really want to tell you to think a bit about corporate/elite interest groups in terms of Trump, but i feel morally obligated to compel you to use those resources to look into the SCOTUS

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

(never mind that a largely Republican-nominated Supreme Court has defended abortion and gay marriage)

Back that up or walk it back.

All I'm saying is that you guys are blowing a hypothetical Trump presidency way out of proportion and seriously understating what a Clinton presidency (essentially a president working on behalf of corporate/elite interest groups) would likely do in the long run.

You didn't understand the implications of two SCOTUS nominations five minutes ago...

 

[pigeon]

All I'm saying is that you guys are blowing a hypothetical Trump presidency way out of proportion and seriously understating what a Clinton presidency (essentially a president working on behalf of corporate/elite interest groups) would likely have in the long run.

To a rough estimate, how many nuclear missiles do you think it is appropriate for Donald Trump to have launch codes for? Like to the nearest dozen is fine.

I feel like people suggesting this have apparently forgotten what the duties and responsibilities of the presidency actually are.

 

[RDreamer]

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/25/...ture-of-death-killing-over-50-million-people/

I mean, you can do much worse than this amongst republicans when it comes to stances on abortion. I'm pro choice but I don't think that position is that far out there.

He's outspoken in support of support for Planned Parenthood, just not insofar as they perform abortions. Which I interpret as he will still provide funding for their non abortion services (which he heaps praise on), and won't ban abortions (and certainly not in the case of rape, incest, or when it risks the mother's life), he would just require patients to foot the bill themselves.

I feel comfortable saying that's "in the center" of the positiosn of the left and the right. And that's a compromise I can probably make if it puts this issue to rest.

How can you say you can do much worse than him amongst republicans? Did you look up the two possible appointees he has suggested? I mean you can say he's lying, but then I'm not entirely sure why that would make it better. The people he would appoint are insanely against Roe v Wade and insanely against abortion. I don't think you really get more against abortion than that.

Sure he won't ban abortions, but that's because almost no one could nowadays. You know what someone could do, though? Appoint someone to the supreme court that would make a fucking shitty decision like Pryor and Sykes clearly would. Those people are as far from center as it gets.

And, again, he could be lying, sure... but that just means we know fuck all about who he'd pick, which is terrifying in another way. It also means you can't claim him to be center on this.

 

[Azzanadra]

I'll translate the OP:

Accept the status quo.
Accept the candidates your betters have chosen for you.
Accept the rule of Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex.
Accept the resulting warmongering and crony capitalism, with bailouts for the privileged.
Let us get you to panic about one evil so that you keep accepting our evil.
Let any idealism or resistance be squashed in the fear that the Supreme Court choices will be decisive
(never mind that a largely Republican-nominated Supreme Court has defended abortion and gay marriage)
Shut up and take what your rulers have chosen for you, and don't spite the system just because it's rigged.

"He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

 

[FunkyMunkey]

i'm slowly learning to not give a fuck about the fringe left threatening to not vote or vote trump if sanders doesn't get the nomination. looking at the primary numbers, much of his base seems to have been too busy doing whatever else to actually vote. it's a small number who would actually vote against a dem for potus

attention is all these people want. you can see the same 5-6 people on gaf going over it again and again, ignoring some posters who counter them in a sensible way and focusing on an emotional response to their savior not getting the nomination.

 

[The Technomancer]

That's just what Bernie supporters see Hillary supporters doing. DOH!

I'll vote for Bernie in the general, if he makes it. I've always said that. Hell, is there a notable fraction of Hillary supporters who don't? I could be shown them, but thus far I haven't seen them

That's what we're talking about: not who you vote for now, vote for whoever you want to in your primary. But what you're going to do, regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, in November

 

[ISOM]

All I'm saying is that you guys are blowing a hypothetical Trump presidency way out of proportion and seriously understating what a Clinton presidency (essentially a president working on behalf of corporate/elite interest groups) would likely do in the long run.

How is a guy who is running for president on the platform of a fascist/racist blowing things out of proportion? I feel like Trump supporters don't look at the negatives enough and aren't aware of the shit that Trump could do as leader of the United States. This is serious.

 

[MIMIC]

I just wish people were more open to dialogue and actual debate. Some of the most thoughtfully explained opinions here have come from folks explaining why OPs point is legitimate and I have yet to hear any real thoughtful debate from the other viewpoint. Lots of rhetoric though.

I explained my position in another thread (which is now locked). I was asked very directly why I refuse to vote for Hillary. And I explained just as explicitly.

And it was met with some revisionist history, some "yes that was horrible but everyone was doing it," some "oh you won't have to worry about it again," and some "lol who cares" (which I find extremely disturbing). Basically just one excuse after another. It literally felt like I was arguing with Bush supporters.

So what's the point? People are convinced that there's only one option this November and will do and say anything to hammer that point home.

 

[The Technomancer]

A vote can be an endorsement sure. I don't know how anyone who uses that to justify disengagement ever votes on anything though. I've never ever had a political candidate that I was 100% certain of everything they stood for to support, and if you think that you're in 100% ideological alignment with Bernie on everything than...you're probably not