Good post? Good post. One of the issues I had with the Nolan films (TDK and TDKR especially).
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Good post? Good post. One of the issues I had with the Nolan films (TDK and TDKR especially).
Singer's going to have a tough time topping DOFP, but I have no doubts that he'll deliver a solid film either way.
I'm one to agree with the current theory that, with the recent and explosive success of Deadpool, Apocalypse might be the last full-on X-Men film for a little while. In fact Fox may just straight-up use Old Man Logan (Jackman's final Wolverine film in 2017) as a way of moving on from the Singer-verse completely. Jackman will be done with Wolverine, and I feel that's as good of a send-off as any for this 17 year-long take on the X-Men mythology.
Deadpool feels new and exciting, and it makes perfect sense to me that after Old Man Logan, Fox will turn its attention completely to building a new franchise around Cable & Deadpool and then subsequently the X-Force.
The big question mark in all of this is that weird Gambit movie. I would not be shocked in the slightest if it was quietly shelved. That thing has been stuck in production hell for a while now, and you have to wonder if it's even worth it at this point when Fox now has a new franchise character to get behind with Deadpool.
I'm one to agree with the current theory that, with the recent and explosive success of Deadpool, Apocalypse might be the last full-on X-Men film for a little while. In fact Fox may just straight-up use Old Man Logan (Jackman's final Wolverine film in 2017) as a way of moving on from the Singer-verse completely. Jackman will be done with Wolverine, and I feel that's as good of a send-off as any for this 17 year-long take on the X-Men mythology.
Deadpool feels new and exciting, and it makes perfect sense to me that after Old Man Logan, Fox will turn its attention completely to building a new franchise around Cable & Deadpool and then subsequently the X-Force.
The big question mark in all of this is that weird Gambit movie. I would not be shocked in the slightest if it was quietly shelved. That thing has been stuck in production hell for a while now, and you have to wonder if it's even worth it at this point when Fox now has a new franchise character to get behind with Deadpool.
Maybe it's a hallucination created by Apocalypse to toy with Wolverine while he makes him a horseman........ Apocalypse wins in this universe.
kidding
StopMakingSense
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Bah, nm. Was replying to old quote.
SargerusBR
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Everything i see from this movie gives me Last Stand vibes. Not a good thing at all.
SolidChamp
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I'm with you there.
Well ... you only know that
wolverine, jean, scott, colossus, kitty and the professor survives =P
well, the thing to find out is if sophie turner & the kid playing cyclops etc have contracts for future x-films. that would tell us what timeframe the next x-men film will be in.
also, i think given a 2-3 more years (which is usually the time gap for these films), sophie turner & the rest will look like mid 20's adults, and should be able to carry their respective roles forward.
There WILL be more x-men films. they're the bread & butter of fox comic movie rights. movies like x-force, new mutants, and stand alone titles will pad the universe, but the x-men will be the central continuity for these films.
I hope they do a genosha story.
the MCU is starting to include things like wakanda, and they obviously have Asgard, but i wonder who actually has the movie rights to 'madripoor'??
i know madripoor has a lot of backstory to characters like wolverine, gambit, magneto etc, but it has also been the home country of hydra and focal point for 'the hand' in the past .
Agreed with all.
Looks terrible compared to what we get from marvel proper. Civil War looks like it's on a different plane of existence entirely.
Frozenprince
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I don't think it's a weird thing to get hung up on, either. His relationship with Kurt means a shitload to him, Kurt is his conscience. When he died in the books, he's the one that took it the hardest.
Agreed on everything else.
BudokaiMR2
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I don't think it's a weird thing to get hung up on, either. His relationship with Kurt means a shitload to him, Kurt is his conscience. When he died in the books, he's the one that took it the hardest.
Agreed on everything else.
Yeah, that is exactly why it bothers me.
I feel like a lot of the three dimensional facets of certain characters are only really emphasized through their interactions with other teammates or villains in some cases.
Dealing with other characters who challenge their own philosophies or ideals is a cornerstone of comic book characterization.
Kurt/Logan just happens to be one of my favorite examples of that sort of chemistry, so it bothers me that they are introducing him into the movies this time without a Wolverine foil.
It's mostly unrelated to the actual topic at hand but I really hope some miracles happen and we get a less fractured MCU going forward so more of these interactions are possible.
I want to see Spidey/Human Torch in one of their iconic races over the NY skyline.
I want to see Spidey's silly jokes just roll off the stoic Daredevil as if he didn't even hear it.
I want to see Reed, Banner, and Stark sit in a room and out-genius each other with every line spoken.
I want to see some Storm/T'challa relationship squabbles that literally shake the foundation of buildings.
Okay the last one I can live without but it was pretty lulz worthy in Civil War
roflwaffles
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Unfortunately alot of the potential is limited by the amount of screentime the movies get. X-Men as a TV series would be phenomenal but budget limitations would hinder it as far as effects go.
IMO, most comic book movie properties would be served much better as a serialized TV show since all of them lack some sort of fleshed out characterization in a certain aspect. I feel that Nolan is really the only one to accomplish this so far in movies.
some characterisation suffers in the x-men movies because as talented as the people behind them are, it's not a situation like the MCU whereby the most significant characters got their own movies to flesh out their characters.
captain america, iron-man, thor, hulk, spiderman, ant-man --these guys got their own movies to flesh out & develop their personalities, so that by the time the "Avengers" movie came around, it had the freedom to just be a free-for-all of action, explosions & michael bay-isms.
and really, that's what the "Avengers" films are; PG action romp fests with little character development.
yes hawkeye & widow & scarlet witch didn't get their own films (widow got some decent screen time in winter soldier though), and it's no coincidence they're some of the least popular avengers in the MCU.
imagine trying to make an "Avengers" movie and trying to cram a whole bunch of in depth character development for each of the main characters in the one film while simultaneously trying to make it 'action' enough to entertain all the short attention span mainstreamers who bring in the big bucks.
it would be incredibly difficult and near impossible to do a great job that respects each main character and equally gives each of them their due… which is what happens with the X-Men films.
because the main characters don't have their own films to develop themselves, they need to do it ALL in EACH x-men film at the same time.
as a result, what happens next is that in order to actually get some decent character depth & development, some characters get pushed to the front while the rest take a back seat.
and this is exactly what's happened in the x-men films.
the first 3 were essentially 'wolverine' films featuring the x-men. -again as a result, it's no surprise that hugh jackman's portrayal of logan is the most popular, and many people are feeling a little saturated by him now because of just how much he's the 'face' of the old x-men timeline.
also, as great as patrick stewart & sir ian are, even their characters didn't get too much development through the OT. the fact that we still enjoyed their portrayals anyway was really a result of the acting calibre of these two shakespearian actors.
but still, magneto & xavier were fairly 1 dimensional in these films.
it wasn't until x-men first class that we start the see some depth behind them - funny, as this film was originally designed to be a 'magneto origins' film go figure.
and then we have deadpool. fantastic film. fantastic casting. great character development. of course, it was wade's story.
not too many complaints about colossus or negasonic (the movie version is nothing like the comics character btw -surprised this didn't get more reactions) because everyone were expecting them to be background characters.
captain america, iron-man, thor, hulk, spiderman, ant-man --these guys got their own movies to flesh out & develop their personalities, so that by the time the "Avengers" movie came around, it had the freedom to just be a free-for-all of action, explosions & michael bay-isms.
and really, that's what the "Avengers" films are; PG action romp fests with little character development.
yes hawkeye & widow & scarlet witch didn't get their own films (widow got some decent screen time in winter soldier though), and it's no coincidence they're some of the least popular avengers in the MCU.
imagine trying to make an "Avengers" movie and trying to cram a whole bunch of in depth character development for each of the main characters in the one film while simultaneously trying to make it 'action' enough to entertain all the short attention span mainstreamers who bring in the big bucks.
it would be incredibly difficult and near impossible to do a great job that respects each main character and equally gives each of them their due… which is what happens with the X-Men films.
because the main characters don't have their own films to develop themselves, they need to do it ALL in EACH x-men film at the same time.
as a result, what happens next is that in order to actually get some decent character depth & development, some characters get pushed to the front while the rest take a back seat.
and this is exactly what's happened in the x-men films.
the first 3 were essentially 'wolverine' films featuring the x-men. -again as a result, it's no surprise that hugh jackman's portrayal of logan is the most popular, and many people are feeling a little saturated by him now because of just how much he's the 'face' of the old x-men timeline.
also, as great as patrick stewart & sir ian are, even their characters didn't get too much development through the OT. the fact that we still enjoyed their portrayals anyway was really a result of the acting calibre of these two shakespearian actors.
but still, magneto & xavier were fairly 1 dimensional in these films.
it wasn't until x-men first class that we start the see some depth behind them - funny, as this film was originally designed to be a 'magneto origins' film go figure.
and then we have deadpool. fantastic film. fantastic casting. great character development. of course, it was wade's story.
not too many complaints about colossus or negasonic (the movie version is nothing like the comics character btw -surprised this didn't get more reactions) because everyone were expecting them to be background characters.
roflwaffles
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Stop it. You're making too much sense.
WanderingWind
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I vote you for next director of the X-Men. We have yet to really get a full-on X-Men film. We got films with X-Men elements in it, but in a world where fucking Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy got treated with more respect to their respective franchises, that's not enough any more. Fans deserve better than crappy face tattoos and Mystique leading the X-Men.
BudokaiMR2
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Eh, I don't really agree on all those points. I mean the first Avengers movie wasn't even that action heavy until the last act. A large part of that movie is how Loki is playing all of them against each other and in my opinion was a damn good way to provide some level of characterization. Small scenes like Stark prodding Banner to try and get a reaction out of him went a long way for me in selling them as characters.
It's not only about giving every character long detailed flashback scenes or whatever. Small little scenes like that can go a long way to develop characters and more importantly the characters' relation to each other.
There are are also plenty of cases in the X-Men movies where they either focus on the wrong characters (Bobby/Rogue - seriously who in the fuck wanted to see that?) or completely drop the ball on very important relationships (Jean/Scott/Logan)
Also, I think people might be a little less tired of Wolverine if they did a better job working him into the world.
That is one of the examples of Fox going out of their way to give him solo movies which you argue is one of the reasons why this is difficult to do for Fox (two movies even!), and they added absolutely nothing to the character.
They were complete wastes of time.
Maybe the X-men characters had some time to develop their characters if the movies weren't Wolverine And Friends, focusing on Wolverine hacking things and smoking a cigar. Of course, later, we got Mystique and the X-Men, because Jackman is retiring and JLaw is the new hotness in town.
SolidChamp
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So, wait, is Hugh Jackman going to be in this?
Frozenprince
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No. Thank the lord.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Who picks the music for these things -_-
mariachi507
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I loved all of Singer's X-men movies with DoFP being my favorite, but for some reason I'm not getting excited for this. On paper it should be my most anticipated film of the summer (sequel to my favorite film of the series, Oscar Isaac, Apocalypse, the 80's, McAvoy and Fassbender returning), but the trailers haven't garnered any enthusiasm from me. To echo an earlier post, how does this film look so expensive but also cheap? The battle scenes look corny and don't seem to be composed very well, still these are impressions from a trailer and not the actual film. Hopefully I'm wrong and Singer makes me eat crow in a couple months.
BudokaiMR2
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I still think the movie will be enjoyable, however I am not expecting DoFP level of turnaround. I also thought the trailer for that one was a hot mess but the movie was definitely good.
There are just some aspects like shitty face tattoo archangel that I will not be able to get over. They did not even fucking try to make him look menacing.
There are just some aspects like shitty face tattoo archangel that I will not be able to get over. They did not even fucking try to make him look menacing.
zoleristec
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Looks like shit.
Miles Quaritch
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Not gonna lie, that's disappointing. I would have liked an explanation of what the hell Mystique was doing with him after DoFP...
The actors involved are just "there". They don't deliver the lines, they just utter them. They aren't in a life-and-death scenario, they're on set. It's like you can throw all the money at a project that you have, if the people involved aren't ready to put in the effort, you're going to end up with a multimillion dollar 'meh'.
UK. But it went up today, my bad.
True Savior
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It's not civil.war-bad but it's a very insipid trailer.
The trailer is getting a lot of flak, but I respect the visual departures this film appears to be taking. I also like the director's previous work, so I can't imagine it will be some kind of sudden departure in quality.
My only real criticism is Apocalypse's visual design. He looks like some kind of villain from a kid's afternoon special.
My only real criticism is Apocalypse's visual design. He looks like some kind of villain from a kid's afternoon special.
Not going to happen. Why would FOX shelve a profitable franchise simply because they have another one? It's not a one-or-the-other situation.
Pai Pai Master
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Pai Pai Master
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Eh, they're just not very good at marketing these movies. DOFP was much better than the trailers indicated and I'm hopeful this will be the same.
indeed same for me
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, it really is awful. I don't like Jennifer Lawrence in the role at all; especially in DoFP where she really seemed to be phoning it in. The rest of the film is looking cool, but I dislike her character being pushed more and more to the forefront.
AquaWateria
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I can't wait to see people start eating crow after seeing all the negativity this movie is getting.
Like I would understand all the criticism if the Director has a bad track record, but cmon this is fucking Singer for crying out loud. He's shown us he's more than capable.
Oh well maybe this movie will be shit and I'm just talking complete nonsense.
Like I would understand all the criticism if the Director has a bad track record, but cmon this is fucking Singer for crying out loud. He's shown us he's more than capable.
Oh well maybe this movie will be shit and I'm just talking complete nonsense.
Good Job Bob
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I think the writers don't really know where to go with her (or were perhaps forced to make changes) Her whole path from FC and DFOP seemed to be about how she ditches charles and the x-men, eventually leading to the Mystique in X-men 1, but now she's not only back but even a full blown team leader.
Dusk Soldier
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The movie will most likely be good.
But I think most of the complaints in this thread stem from the fact that it's going to be a poor representation of the x-men mythos.
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http://trailers.apple.com/movies/fox/xmenapocalypse/xmenapocalypse-tlr2_h1080p.mov
1080p download link for you peepers.
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1080p download link for you peepers.
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How do you actually save that to your PC? If I right click "save as" it ends up as an html file.
itwasTuesday
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Fixed, it should be working now.
Still doesn't work. If I click it, it takes me to the apple trailers main page, if I right click save as, it tries to save it as a HTML file again. I don't think you can direct link to the apple trailer mov files anymore?
SolidChamp
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This. Exactly this. It makes no sense to leave that thread hanging.
Honestly, I like the way Wolverine played second-fiddle to Charles and Eric in DoFP (which I think is easily top 3 for comic book films). I felt like they could have continued even more with that trend in this film and it would have been better for it.
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