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[Ahasverus]

It's dumb to even imply/fake his death. Like yea we all know he's coming back. And while I realize Doomsday exists strictly to kill Superman, there's no weight to it in the second film.

Like imagine Marvel killing Cap in Avengers. It wouldn't work in the slightest. Now they might do it Civil War, which is four movies of knowing Cap, and it works.

First of all, if this happens at the very end of the movie as it seems, and characterization is good, we should feel for him, I mean, there are standalone, serious movies where important characters die and you feel bad, Titanic for example, you didn't need 4 movies to root for Jack, so stop with the "Marvel way of the highway" bullshit.

Second of all, this movie's characters have the advantage of decades of cultural mindshare.

 

[strafer]

First of all, if this happens at the very end of the movie as it seems, and characterization is good, we should feel for him, I mean, there are standalone, seirous movies where important characters die and you feel bad, Titanic for example, you didn't need 4 movies to root for Jack, so stop with the "Marvel way of the highway" bullshit.

Second of all, this movie's characters have the advantage of decades of cultural mindshare.

I didn't root for Jack.

 

[Ahasverus]

I didn't root for Jack.

You monster.

 

[IconGrist]

I didn't root for Jack.

I think his point is people were emotionally invested in Jack and his death despite it being one movie. Which would be true and is true for millions of movies. This "we've only had one movie so it won't work" nonsense doesn't make sense when there are literally millions of examples to the contrary.

 

[Timu]

Looks like that guy is now answering questions with spoilers obviously!

 

[Magwik]

ON the one hand - it sounds truthy
ON the other hand - it sounds like it's just a rewrite of the other rumor.
ON the third hand - it's yet another messageboard plot summary, which have a success rate lower than 5%
ON the back hand - We know the film is getting screenings.

It would be more believable if this came out before some of the newer clips released

 

[freenudemacusers]

I didn't root for Jack.

Think of it like the old dog in Homeward Bound. Unless you didn't root for him either. 😰

 

[strafer]

Think of it like the old dog in Homeward Bound. Unless you didn't root for him either. 😰

That made me cry like crazy.

 

[IconGrist]

One way or another we will have confirmation between tonight and Monday night. Mexico premiere is tonight and I know of at least 3 people seeing it Monday night.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I think the bigger point is that a phony death. Jack died in Titanic. Like died, died. He didn't come back. There was no "oh, he'll be back in the sequel" thinking as soon as it happen, no close-up of his gravesite moving.

Superman dying in this movie just seems silly when nobody gonna buy him being dead cuz they're already working on Justice League

 

[freenudemacusers]

I think the bigger point is that a phony death. Jack died in Titanic. Like died, died. He didn't come back. There was no "oh, he'll be back in the sequel" thinking as soon as it happen, no close-up of his gravesite moving.

Superman dying in this movie just seems silly when nobody gonna buy him being dead cuz they're already working on Justice League

Maybe it'll be bizarro supes

 

[Magwik]

I think the bigger point is that a phony death. Jack died in Titanic. Like died, died. He didn't come back. There was no "oh, he'll be back in the sequel" thinking as soon as it happen, no close-up of his gravesite moving.

Superman dying in this movie just seems silly when nobody gonna buy him being dead cuz they're already working on Justice League

Considering the spoiler ends with his heart beating under ground then you're not supposed to believe he's dead by the end anyways. It's supposed to be what is represented, and that is him sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday at all costs. That's Superman.

 

[strafer]

I think the bigger point is that a phony death. Jack died in Titanic. Like died, died. He didn't come back. There was no "oh, he'll be back in the sequel" thinking as soon as it happen, no close-up of his gravesite moving.

Superman dying in this movie just seems silly when nobody gonna buy him being dead cuz they're already working on Justice League

You're overthinking it.

 

[Ahasverus]

Superman dying in this movie just seems silly when nobody gonna buy him being dead cuz they're already working on Justice League

I would have bought that he died and was going to come back in part 2 or something. Besides, it's an adaptation of the TDKR ending, which is fine, as this is a CBM lol.

 

[Haloid1177]

First of all, if this happens at the very end of the movie as it seems, and characterization is good, we should feel for him, I mean, there are standalone, serious movies where important characters die and you feel bad, Titanic for example, you didn't need 4 movies to root for Jack, so stop with the "Marvel way of the highway" bullshit.

Second of all, this movie's characters have the advantage of decades of cultural mindshare.

And? MOS didn't make me give a singular shit about this Superman, and none of the leaked spoilers really characterize him any differently to change my opinion. And when you know a character is going to come right back to life, you need more emotional weight than in a movie like Titanic.

So no, Marvel isn't always right, but it'll be way more effective than killing Supes in the film.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

obviously phony deaths are actually enough of a thing the past two years that I've seen multiple articles written on how it's detrimental to the TV shows that keep employing the practice, and has led to viewer dissatisfaction.

Then again, fans of shows like Walking Dead and Game of Thrones may complain loudly and angrily about how bullshit such storytelling practices are, and how cheaply they're employed - but they keep fucking watching that shit, too.

But I think it's absolutely fair to hit this movie for an obviously phony death as a storytelling negative, if that is indeed what happens. Especially if it's not executed well. Audiences have been exposed to the practice enough and had enough negative feelings about it in the meantime that seeing it in this film would probably not go well in terms of reception.

 

[Magwik]

And? MOS didn't make me give a singular shit about this Superman, and none of the leaked spoilers really characterize him any differently to change my opinion. And when you know a character is going to come right back to life, you need more emotional weight than in a movie like Titanic.

So no, Marvel isn't always right, but it'll be way more effective than killing Supes in the film.

You're completely missing the point

 

[Ahasverus]

And? MOS didn't make me give a singular shit about this Superman, and none of the leaked spoilers really characterize him any differently to change my opinion. And when you know a character is going to come right back to life, you need more emotional weight than in a movie like Titanic.

Strawman the post. I'm not bothering answering on detail about how characterization works to someone with a Phasma avatar, however, this isn't Mos, we don't know how it goes, it probably works just fine going by the leaked plot, and it plays the symbolism more than the act of death itself.

In summary, he's space Jesus. There's a reason why this movie was placed to premiere during Holy Week.

 

[Haloid1177]

You're completely missing the point

Well then please explain to me what I'm apparently so obviously missing.

Strawman the post. I'm not bothering answering on detail about how characterization works to someone with a Phasma avatar, however, this isn't Mos, we don't know how it goes, it probably works just fine going by the leaked plot, and it plays the symbolism more than the act of death itself.

Because somehow having an avatar of a cool looking character implies a lack of understanding with characterization. Sure thing.

But MOS is integral to the plot and characterization of Superman, and is meant to draw attachment to the character that dies, especially in a film where he isn't the main focus. Seems obvious to me MOS is imperitive to the emotional weight of him possibly dying since it seems Batman gets more screen time in this film.

I mean I get the religious imagery bullshit Snyder is so over the top with when doing these but even that seems weak to me.

Maybe my dislike for MOS is clouding my judgement for everything not Batman in this. I dunno.

 

[Boke1879]

Just give me the movie. All sounds good to me honestly. While Superman obviously won't die and he'll be back. It does give a bit of weight to everything. That at any point these heroes can be killed

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I would have bought that he died and was going to come back in part 2 or something. Besides, it's an adaptation of the TDKR ending, which is fine, as this is a CBM lol.

the TDKR ending worked because it was a what-if story about Batman at the end of his career. For all we know first time reading it, when Batman has that heart attack, he really DID die. There was no sequel planned. This was the last issue. So when he faked his death, that was an actual surprise, it was clever, it worked dramatically. They got to do the death of Batman and point towards a brighter future at the same time. Nobody, not for a fucking second, is gonna believe Superman is really dead in this movie. And they creators know that so they have that wack tease at the end like "hey guess what Superman isn't dead of course SURPRISE"

This just sounds like they really wanted to do Death of Superman/TDKR, but without any of the consequence of DoS(everybody's reaction, the replacement Supermen, etc) or the ingenuity of TDKR.

It just seems dumb. But we'll see in a week.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

That synopsis sounded pretty awesome, except the death fake out. Let's hope if it is true, Snyder can actually deliver with it.

 

[Ahasverus]

the TDKR ending worked because it was a what-if story about Batman at the end of his career. For all we know first time reading it, when Batman has that heart attack, he really DID die. There was no sequel planned. This was the last issue. So when he faked his death, that was an actual surprise, it was clever, it worked dramatically. They got to do the death of Batman and point towards a brighter future at the same time.

It's our fault for following the film's profuction that we know JL is coming, I mean, it's public information, but it's not general knowledge so far.

 

[generic_username]

Although by that logic why even release civil war when we know they are going to team up in infinity war. In fact no major hero should be shown dying because we know they will appear later. I think reversing the ending of TDKR is pretty neat. A bit fan servicey but way more believable than the stupidity of TDKR's ending.

 

[freenudemacusers]

The average movie going public has no idea that justice league is coming nor any clue what justice league is. Just like how I had to explain what apocalypse was to my in laws at the end of DOFP cuz all us younger nerd dudes were flipping out.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Sounds utterly awful, but I suppose any synopsis written by a fan on a forum isn't going to be great.

 

[Mario007]

And? MOS didn't make me give a singular shit about this Superman, and none of the leaked spoilers really characterize him any differently to change my opinion. And when you know a character is going to come right back to life, you need more emotional weight than in a movie like Titanic.

So no, Marvel isn't always right, but it'll be way more effective than killing Supes in the film.

Man it sure hurt GotG when Groot died only to come back to life five minutes later.

 

[generic_username]

Man it sure hurt GotG when Groot died only to come back to life five minutes later.

lol

 

[Haloid1177]

Man it sure hurt GotG when Groot died only to come back to life five minutes later.

I thought it kinda did feel pointless so...

I hate comic book deaths so this falls into that. I have flashbacks to TDKRises and it being awful like that.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

They better sell this like some Iron Giant sacrifice or some shit

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Man it sure hurt GotG when Groot died only to come back to life five minutes later.

Heh. This isn't a bad counterpoint.

Except the movie made Groot adorable from frame one. Superman currently doesn't enjoy that luxury. It's not a guarantee Snyder/Terrio/Cavill have managed anything close to that level of endearment/attachment in this film, either.

edit: The Iron Giant comparison is also a good one - but he's more or less Metal Groot from a characterization standpoint. Which, again - not what this Superman is working with.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

The average movie going public has no idea that justice league is coming nor any clue what justice league is. Just like how I had to explain what apocalypse was to my in laws at the end of DOFP cuz all us younger nerd dudes were flipping out.

It seems discussion about the general public has devolved from "most people don't know about the obscure stuff" to "nobody knows about ANYTHING comic book related."

 

[generic_username]

It is easier to manipulate the audience with fakeout deaths when the character involved is innocent and dumb and barely connects words together like Groot and Iron Giant. Cavil's Superman will fit right in

 

[freenudemacusers]

It seems discussion about the general public has devolved from "most people don't know about the obscure stuff" to "nobody knows about ANYTHING comic book related."

Well they probably don't. At least the muggles around me do not, save the broad strokes (superman good, joker bad)

 

[munchie64]

Hmm really the death will all come down to execution so I can't really judge yet.

 

[Inferno313]

They better sell this like some Iron Giant sacrifice or some shit

This is what I'm thinking. No one considers the end of The Iron Giant as a "death fakeout."

If they do this right, it'll be emotionally resonant regardless of whether anyone believes Supes is going to stay dead, and it'll shut up the "not muh superman" folks.

There's nothing more Superman than giving your life to save a world of people who have been shitting on you and calling you a menace through the whole film.

 

[generic_username]

This is what I'm thinking. No one considers the end of The Iron Giant as a "death fakeout."

If they do this right, it'll be emotionally resonant regardless of whether anyone believes Supes is going to stay dead, and it'll shut up the "not muh superman" folks.

There's nothing more Superman than giving your life to save a world of people who have been shitting on you and calling you a menace through the whole film.

Yup. If this does not convince the world that he is good... nothing is going to.. to be honest lol

 

[ViewtifulJC]

It would be good if Lex Luthor accidently manipulates a situation for Superman to look like a giant hero after spending the whole movie trying to defame him.

 

[Verendus]

I'm not sure either way. But i do remember emphasis on this

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=194731080&postcount=19656
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=194730120&postcount=19654

Its not even mentioned in that rundown

That's from before I saw the movie. There's no kryptonite laser. I wouldn' randomly drop spoliers on unsuspecting people. That would be a genuine dick move. And while I am a clown, I am no dick.

So take this with a HUGE grain of salt, but some guy on SHH dropped a massive synopsis of the plot

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=33175949&postcount=42

He didn't provide any proof, but its interesting. Ive not seen it produced this way any where else, so at least its a unique plot 'leak'

I agree. It sounds like a good movie right there.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

edit: The Iron Giant comparison is also a good one - but he's more or less Metal Groot from a characterization standpoint. Which, again - not what this Superman is working with.

Kind of ironic really given they're both voiced by Vin Diesel!

Read the plot synopsis - sounds better than I expected, although I'm not sure I buy it that Superman would agree to kill Batman in order to save his mother.

 

[Ahasverus]

It would be good if Lex Luthor accidently manipulates a situation for Superman to look like a giant hero after spending the whole movie trying to defame him.

That's how it sounds like. In the leak he made him practically Jesus.

Read the plot synopsis - sounds better than I expected, although I'm not sure I buy it that Superman would agree to kill Batman in order to save his mother.

The last time somebody messed with his mother he almost destroyed a whole town lol. Terrio is using MoS' weaknesses as character building stones.

I agree. It sounds like a good movie right there.

 

[munchie64]

I agree. It sounds like a good movie right.

wellthereitis.gif?

 

[generic_username]

That's from before I saw the movie. There's no kryptonite laser. I wouldn' randomly drop spoliers on unsuspecting people. That would be a genuine dick move. And while I am a clown, I am no dick.


I agree. It sounds like a good movie right.

So is that superherohype post legit Verendus?

 

[Magwik]

I agree. It sounds like a good movie right there.

 

[IconGrist]

Sometimes you guys post reaction gifs and I have no idea what you are trying to convey lol

 

[strafer]

Sometimes you guys post reaction gifs and I have no idea what you are trying to convey lol

conveying the art of orgasm

 

[Magwik]

Sometimes you guys post reaction gifs and I have no idea what you are trying to convey lol

Analyzing Verendus' post

 

[Bobby Roberts]

conveying the art of orgasm

So when you nut a series of mathematical formulas dance in front of your bearded face?

What

 

[antispin]

Someone post the spoiler please. The forum is blocking my IP for some reason

 

[ArmGunar]

Is there an official BvS thread non-spoilers ?
If yes, can someone give me the link please