Probably a cameo. I'm expecting an after-credit scene that shows him in some form.
X-men Apocalypse Official Trailer
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Probably a cameo. I'm expecting an after-credit scene that shows him in some form.
itwasTuesday
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Hmm, wait did you click my link or the link in your quote? Try one in my post. Should work, works for others.
sleverfunk
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When Jlaw was casted.
Sumio Mondo
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Always thought that Mystique was one of Apoc's lackeys, at least that's how I remembered it from the cartoon...
some of the relationships of the x-men Fox did screw up (like rogue & iceman as you mentioned) and i put this all on the fact that the first x-men movie (and ramie's "spiderman" film) essentially kick-started the superhero movie genre, and the producers weren't really sure how to move forward. it was new territory.
i'm not making excuses for them, really. i personally hate how rogue was essentially the 'jubilee' of the team, rather than a main x-man powerhouse.
however the first x-men film was a big risk at the time, and as they didn't know what the result would be, i'd have to imagine 'long term planning' wasn't a thing for them, then.
in a way it has thrown them a bit, but that's why the reboot with mccavoy & fassbender works so well.
you're also correct on the first wolverine film being completely useless, however i'd argue that the second solo film did indeed add to logans character. for example, i really loved how they weaved jean into the film by having her as an apparition that was essentially haunting wolverine's guilty conscience.
however the point is moot, and in a way these wolverine solo films are a little redundant because logan did most of his character development in the main x-men films already.
well that's exactly the point i'm trying to make.
they just don't have enough screen time to give good depth to ALL the main cast at the same time, but they clearly recognised that the movies needed character development in it, and they picked wolverine to be the one that experiences it, instead of say, cyclops or something.
it's quite disappointing, because cyclops specifically, is a fantastic character and they did a piss poor job of giving him an respect -come to think of it the 90's animated series, which i read somewhere was a big influence for Singer, committed the same sin, but that's another story entirely & i'd say that would've simply contributed to the problem.
jean grey is another badass, yet she's this weak little daisy in the 90's series, too.
Giving Wolverine all the screentime to develop was a deliberate choice, given that Singer did The Usual Suspects and gave all the characters in that movie plenty of development. Sure, you can't give all the X-Men the same amount of screentime or development, but there's a long way between just Wolverine and every X-men in the movie.
The one in your edited post. Weird, dunno why it still doesn't work for me.
SJRB
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Because it's Jennifer Lawrence.
I actually like the idea of Mystique's arc through these three movies on paper: her pseudo-sibling relationship with Xavier, her moral conflict in doing bad for the greater good of protecting mutants, and now (I'm guessing) her redemption in stepping up as the leader of the X-Men (in, I'm assuming, Xavier's absence). It's a good arc.
But JLaw is very obviously bored with the role, not so much in First Class but absolutely in DOFP. And when Mystique is the crux of the whole plot and her actress doesn't really give a shit, it undermines the whole thing.
But JLaw is very obviously bored with the role, not so much in First Class but absolutely in DOFP. And when Mystique is the crux of the whole plot and her actress doesn't really give a shit, it undermines the whole thing.
PhantomZone
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Still no reason to push her in front of everyone else, she's not that good at acting number 1 and number 2 she's not even attractive.
Discotheque
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I don't even like Jennifer Lawrence but this post is all kinds of bullshit
PhantomZone
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She's not a good actor! What has she been in that have made people go like "damn those are some fine acting skills".
Sure some people may find her attractive to a degree but there are sooooooooooo many Hollywood types that are far better looking than she is, she's like Average Joe in comparison.
Discotheque
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She's been miscast in David o Russell movies but she was great in winters bone
Just because she is on some Xanax in this franchise doesn't mean she lacks talent
And yeah she's mad attractive
Just because she is on some Xanax in this franchise doesn't mean she lacks talent
And yeah she's mad attractive
CaviarMeths
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I think the second trailer looks pretty fantastic, apart from Mystique being back to bore everyone for half the movie some more. I think some of ya'll just got a hateboner for Singer because he admitted to not liking comic books in the 90s. 2 of his 3 X-movies are easily better than Vaughn's. First Class wasn't magically a less mediocre movie because there were yellow costumes in it.
I mean, the movie opens and closes with the narration "the future is never truly set."
I mean, the movie opens and closes with the narration "the future is never truly set."
She is probably a good actress and attractive to many people.
Just that she seems very disinterested in this role.
PhantomZone
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She's more interested in falling over or being the center of attention at awards ceremonies
Winter's Bone, her films with David O. Russell, and The Hunger Games.
Eppy Thatcher
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I don't understand how these trailers bore me but they manage it...apoc..boring. so weird.
And I have to agree with the looking expensive and somehow cheap at the same time comment. Those 4 horsemen splash shots are still God awful.
And I have to agree with the looking expensive and somehow cheap at the same time comment. Those 4 horsemen splash shots are still God awful.
Discotheque
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just noticed angel (pre-archangel) and nightcrawler are in a cage fight with a bunch of audience members watching.
i wonder if they're slaves before xavier brings them in. i dunno if the film will be good or his first misfire of the franchise but we're definitely in for some damn good power-displays between his nightcrawler and quicksilver stuff (he's definitely rescuing them from the mansion that's exploding during his speedrun)
psylocke vs. beast had some cool shots in there and it looks like jean is using her abilities to defend the squad and also control cyclops head movements while he goes full blast.
i'm pretty sure we're gonna have some dope team up shit like that throughout, he showed it in dofp. he's finally willing to have them all work in unison.
and yeah there's some mess ass effects shot in here. apparently they were finishing up dofp's effects work down to the week before premiere haha. so as close as we are to may many of those are likely unfinished. maybe some will still look shit though. i'm not a fan of the weird sky effects in egypt, makes it look cheaper.
edit: also lol it's like this lady recorded music specifically so it would be used in a trailer
https://youtu.be/haWZnwFqDkQ?t=3m30s
i wonder if they're slaves before xavier brings them in. i dunno if the film will be good or his first misfire of the franchise but we're definitely in for some damn good power-displays between his nightcrawler and quicksilver stuff (he's definitely rescuing them from the mansion that's exploding during his speedrun)
psylocke vs. beast had some cool shots in there and it looks like jean is using her abilities to defend the squad and also control cyclops head movements while he goes full blast.
i'm pretty sure we're gonna have some dope team up shit like that throughout, he showed it in dofp. he's finally willing to have them all work in unison.
and yeah there's some mess ass effects shot in here. apparently they were finishing up dofp's effects work down to the week before premiere haha. so as close as we are to may many of those are likely unfinished. maybe some will still look shit though. i'm not a fan of the weird sky effects in egypt, makes it look cheaper.
edit: also lol it's like this lady recorded music specifically so it would be used in a trailer
https://youtu.be/haWZnwFqDkQ?t=3m30s
The guy is full of shit, she has a ton of charisma and screen presence with attractiveness to boot
but I'll be honest Disco talent is a little iffy with the few characters she's gotten to portray. She's on Xanax in the hunger games too, and her roles in Hustle and Joy she was playing herself. The accent in Hustle is horrible. In Serena...you know what I'll forgive her for Serena but fuck man. She's been riding that Winter's Bone train for years it seems. She leaves an amazing first impression and gives some great dramatic moments though.
If we're being real all Singer's X-Men movies are average to bad, but enjoyable to some extent. First Class is the only really decent X-flick. This on the other hand looks like complete trash.
Now that I think about it, the film franchise kinda killed a lot of my interest in the source material.
Now that I think about it, the film franchise kinda killed a lot of my interest in the source material.
unpopularblargh
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Does he really? I'll take a look:
Public Access(never seen it)
Usual Suspects(decent if a bit overrated)
Apt Pupil(meh)
X-Men(aged terribly)
X2(aged pretty badly but is kinda of OK still)
Superman Returns(mediocre)
Valkyrie(trash)
Jack the Giant Slayer (trash)
X-Men: Days of Future Past(OK I guess)
As far as I'm concerned, not a very good track record. At best his movies are fine, and his direction never really stands out.
UltimaPooh
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Im excited for this.
But missing how this fits in the universe. Wouldn't all the people on Earth remember this shit that Apocalypse did?
Essentially DOFP erased the events of X-MEN II/Last Stand correct? Does Wolverine still have his adamantium? Or did it just split the timelines even more?
But missing how this fits in the universe. Wouldn't all the people on Earth remember this shit that Apocalypse did?
Essentially DOFP erased the events of X-MEN II/Last Stand correct? Does Wolverine still have his adamantium? Or did it just split the timelines even more?
SolidChamp
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So basically, you personally just don't like Singer very much.
If you can't even give the man X2 and DoFP, you know you're looking at the wrong director for your comic book film experience.
Back to the MCU with you.
unpopularblargh
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Not even that. He brushed off Usual Suspects as overrated.
Spikematic
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X2 is still one of the best super hero movies ever made. And if you didn't like Days of Future Past either then I guess you should have 0 interest in Apocalypse. Lucky for you there are many other super hero movies coming out this year you can divert your attention to!
When have I ever said I was an MCU fan? Nice assumption. And yeah, I don't think Singer is a good director at all. This is a thread about a movie he's making and I'm talking about my opinion of his work.
Didn't know thinking Usual Suspect is good but not all that great is seen as blasphemy.
I'm an X-Men fan who really liked First Class and thought the trailer looked bad and wanted to talk about it. How is it a problem that I just don't agree with you?
Optimusdouche
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Being attractive is not everything. Everyone is attractive in Hollywood. She's probably the biggest Hollywood star on the planet. Alongside, with Pratt, I would say. But she's been there for a while.
She signed onto this franchise right before she blew up in Hunger Games. So, since then, yea, they have put her front and center even when it didn't make sense to the story.
Like, in Days of Future Past. The Sentinels are meant to gain their ability to absorb mutant powers through Rogues powers, not Mystique. Rogue mimics actual mutant abilities, Mystique is just a shape shifter.
But if you got Anna Paquin, who has faded versus the biggest star on the planet, you go with the biggest start, even if it doesn't quite make sense to the story.
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Fox needs to give the X-men franchise to different directors.
I can't think of any other superhero franchise where one director was responsible for 4 movies. It's getting stale. Bring in someone with a different vision and style.
Deadpool showed me what is possible.
Remove Jennifer Lawrence please.
Sophie Turner looks like she's going to kill in this.When Sophie Turner out acts her in the trailer alone, you know she doesn't give a shit about all of this.
Let's hope Lawrence leaves and Singer does too.
Have you guys also noticed there is no more Jubilee in the trailers? The Singer curse continues.
Worst shot in a superhero trailer for a long time.
The CGI in this whole thing is abysmal. There is no excusing this.
I can't think of any other superhero franchise where one director was responsible for 4 movies. It's getting stale. Bring in someone with a different vision and style.
Deadpool showed me what is possible.
Remove Jennifer Lawrence please.
Sophie Turner looks like she's going to kill in this.When Sophie Turner out acts her in the trailer alone, you know she doesn't give a shit about all of this.
Let's hope Lawrence leaves and Singer does too.
Have you guys also noticed there is no more Jubilee in the trailers? The Singer curse continues.
Even though I'm sure the movie will be great since the last two were, the trailers so far for Apocalypse have been kind of shitty.
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Also, wanted to point out that this thing is one of the dumbest looking things I've seen in a superhero movie.
Worst shot in a superhero trailer for a long time.
The CGI in this whole thing is abysmal. There is no excusing this.
Discotheque
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first class is pretty damn schlocky. but i'll give vaughn immense credit in recasting xavier and magneto with yet another pair of charismatic actors with crazy chemistry.
it was daunting to follow up stewart and mckellen and they managed to actually cast people who could do it.
and bless up to singer for giving us an old/young xavier scene. i don't get good melodrama in my comic book movies outside of the dark knight trilogy. other films tend to give moments like that little to no screen time.
that's what i love about his xmen series. there's good action in there but also much more enjoyable plots/character exchanges than others. he has his faults for sure, but the good far outweighs the bad for me.
it was daunting to follow up stewart and mckellen and they managed to actually cast people who could do it.
and bless up to singer for giving us an old/young xavier scene. i don't get good melodrama in my comic book movies outside of the dark knight trilogy. other films tend to give moments like that little to no screen time.
that's what i love about his xmen series. there's good action in there but also much more enjoyable plots/character exchanges than others. he has his faults for sure, but the good far outweighs the bad for me.
SolidChamp
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Fair enough. I just assume most people around here are big MCU fans. *shrug*
I think X2 and DoFP are the only two Singer films that are truly great. Like, fucking fantastic for me. I loved them.
Everything else is good or decent (and a couple of turds like Apt Pupil), and The Usual Suspects is a good film for the 90's, but I can't hold it up as some sort of masterpiece like a lot of people do.
I actually think Valkyrie gets a lot of undeserved hate; not a bad movie by any stretch, even if it has way too much of that "Hollywood sheen" on it for a period piece.
But yeah...I just can't see how any fan of comic book films could hate on X2 or DoFP, and that's just my problem, not theirs.
Discotheque
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usual suspects is the only good non-xmen film from the director. it had a great ensemble and he used them effectively. it's not a classic or anything, lol hell no. but it's a fun movie no doubt. also superman returns could have been great but there were a lot of problems with that one. i think there's flashes of great stuff within it though.
disappointed he's helming 20,000 leagues instead of fincher.
disappointed he's helming 20,000 leagues instead of fincher.
SolidChamp
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It's unfortunate that Fincher's interests seem to be all over the map.
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Superman returns had an incredible cast, design/world, and soundtrack. 10/10 world building.
The only thing wrong there was the actual story the movie was trying.
They should have given it a sequel fairly soon after and let someone else direct it/write a story for it.
The only thing wrong there was the actual story the movie was trying.
They should have given it a sequel fairly soon after and let someone else direct it/write a story for it.
Can Crusher
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The trailer is horrible. Apocalypse looks completely off the mark, and Mystique being the new Wolverine because Lawrence became a star as opposed to the character becoming a fan favorite is ridiculous.
BKatastrophe
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Trailer actually gave me some hype.
See, I can overlook misrepresenting characters (with great pain) if they are at least well-written given how they're translated to the screen. The problem is that these good dramatic performances always come from the same damn characters. I say "characters" instead of "actors" due to multiple actors playing Mags and Xavier. These performances and scenes always ALWAYS involve Wolverine, Magneto, and Xavier. Every single time. I honestly can't think of a good dramatic scene from any of the movies that didn't involve one of those three. That's my big problem. While this movie isn't going to fix my issue with these movies having a depressing tone, at least give me some strong development and performances out of the entire cast this time and not just two or three characters. Granted, the dark tone isn't an inherent negative, but it's gotten old now.
I acknowledge the good, but I'm opposite to you in that I don't think it outweighs the bad. Still, it's been awhile since I've watched all the X-Men movies so I'll be doing that soon.
See, I can overlook misrepresenting characters (with great pain) if they are at least well-written given how they're translated to the screen. The problem is that these good dramatic performances always come from the same damn characters. I say "characters" instead of "actors" due to multiple actors playing Mags and Xavier. These performances and scenes always ALWAYS involve Wolverine, Magneto, and Xavier. Every single time. I honestly can't think of a good dramatic scene from any of the movies that didn't involve one of those three. That's my big problem. While this movie isn't going to fix my issue with these movies having a depressing tone, at least give me some strong development and performances out of the entire cast this time and not just two or three characters. Granted, the dark tone isn't an inherent negative, but it's gotten old now.
I acknowledge the good, but I'm opposite to you in that I don't think it outweighs the bad. Still, it's been awhile since I've watched all the X-Men movies so I'll be doing that soon.
The Last Stand looks better. This movie is going to have the worst photography in a CBM since Jonah Hex.Also, wanted to point out that this thing is one of the dumbest looking things I've seen in a superhero movie.
Killing_Joke
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JLaw is such shit. Other than that movie will probably be entertaining but doubt it will be good.
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Demoncarnotaur
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I can't shake the X-Men 3 vibes I am getting from this.
Dominican Power
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That's what I'm saying. Mystique has been one of the main characters in the 1st two films.
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