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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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But now he's a killer!
Go see the movie and read the rest of what I said early. His character arc is becoming more of a hero than he has been.
Right, but there is a difference here.
The no kill thing is supposed to serve as a moral compass, not an absolute. I am sure Batman has killed plenty of dudes unintentionally or due to unwinnable circumstances. Realistically, pretty much all heroes will have.
The difference is intent.
Yeah, and many people--myself included--think that story in works in isolation and is in many ways a bastardization of the character.
That said, the fact that Batfleck is willing to pull his head out of his ass at all makes him a significant improvement.
BLOODED_hands
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Same shit happens in Daredevil. It's hilarious. He is so hellbent on not killing or letting other people kill, but he has no qualms with doing a double somersault to smash his heels onto the face of someone already down.
Pretty much. DD was all saying how he doesn't hurt or kill goons, proceeds to bash many-a-goon's heads to a pulp, throws his sticks at people's faces, breaks arms, etc. lol.
As a casual-esque cb fan, I don't mind Fatfleck (kappa) killing. I'm fine with it and reading what some are saying that the other cbm Bat's has killed before, it's not that unusual.
All these spoilers and impressions are sogood.gif tho. My only gripe would be people saying how armored this Flash is but there has to be a reason and it could be for time-traveling and fighting parademons.
BossDarkseid
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I think the Flash sort of gets an excuse because Parademons and if it's time travelling or a Timeline B situation then...well they can change it if people don't like it.
Yeah. It will only be an issue if that is the look they decide to go with for Justice League.
I wonder how the league will come together.
Do you think Bruce and Diana will go around personally recruiting the members? That would be pretty cool.
I shouldn't talk of this film with too much authority cause I haven't seen it, but from what I've read, it definitely sounds like Bruce is gonna make it his personal mission as a way to atone.
BossDarkseid
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Possibly. I also quite like the idea that Flash could have changing suits that adapt to whatever the situation is. Visually it could be quite interesting since they wouldn't have to do an Iron Man-esque bit of the suit moprhing, just quick blur and done.
I think it'll be a bit of Bruce recruiting, but I think they'll go for the long game payoff off the "you will help them achieve wonders and in time they will join you in the sun" and have heroes be inspired by Superman's "sacrifice" at the end of BvS and it's not a case of them being too reluctant.
So I really don't want to beat the drum of "you're not getting the point" but a lot of people also managed to miss the point in the Smallville fight of Man of Steel as well, so here I go. First, in regards to the Smallville fight, Clark doesn't take Zod to a field or some shit simply because he isn't thinking. The dude is threatening his mom, he already watched and let his dad die by not fighting, so this time he's going to fight for his mom. It's entirely selfish, but we all would do the same. BvS also takes the time to re-iterate here that he'll do anything for his mom, including fighting Batman to an extent. His will is bended just because of his love for his mother. Now, here's the thing with Bruce; the dude has nightmares and constant PTSD over his parents death, the helplessness pushed him to become Batman, not being able to save his parents is more character defining than his no kill rule. He can't ever go back in time and save them. However, standing over Clark ready to kill him, after its all explained and another PTSD sequence with Bruce, he realizes that for one, if he doesn't do anything the world goes to shit, and two, that he has a chance to save Clarks mom in the way he couldn't save his. The knoghtmare sequence is how I interrupted it, what Clark would be like if he was as traumatized as Batman. Bruce is presented with an opportunity to save Martha, and he won't let what happened to him happen to anyone else.
BossDarkseid
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Sorta sounds like in the end...Batman is still VERY Batman. yay
Yeah because Batman 89 is a mocked and hated movie because Batman kills in it. Everyone hates Keaton Batman!
Director's Cut?
I'd assume so at least, unless they never actually filmed a football game for the movie.
Haloid1177
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The no killing thing is something that you've gotta suspend disbelief to have. Like Batman Begins' ending really bugs me because Batman usually wouldn't just let someone die, which is seen when he saves the Joker in TDK. It's obvious to see when someone would die as a result of his actions, but doing it outright is just a bit different.
Batman killing in a film has never made me dislike it, but it does always annoy me.
Batman killing in a film has never made me dislike it, but it does always annoy me.
BLOODED_hands
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I wouldn't mind that. It would sort of be like Young Justice with how KF can switch to Night Mode or Regular Mode.
thecouncil
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i have no worries about that flash armor suit being something i ever see again. i cant imagine they'd finalize a costume for his single bizarre scene in this movie. he's also, i assume, time traveling. and its hard to even see what's going on with his costume in that scene anyway.
well, she really doesn't do much, ill warn you. in costume, she poses a couple times. gives a couple smirks when doomsday smacks her down. holds his arms down with her lasso. (im not even so sure it shows her getting the lasso around him. its just there. maybe i blinked though. not sure.)
After contemplation i decided to watch the movie
Mainly because wondy is really good in it
Should b watching it by thursday nite if not friday over here
well, she really doesn't do much, ill warn you. in costume, she poses a couple times. gives a couple smirks when doomsday smacks her down. holds his arms down with her lasso. (im not even so sure it shows her getting the lasso around him. its just there. maybe i blinked though. not sure.)
Gipsy Danger
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Rubber Bullets, honest.
thecouncil
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I felt bad for Superman in the Batman fight.
I don't like seeing that character get the absolute crap beat out of him and it wasn't even close to an evenly matched fight once that kryptonite got a hold of him. It was just depressing.
If the question is does Batman or Superman win, then Batman wins. In a big way, I'd say.
I don't like seeing that character get the absolute crap beat out of him and it wasn't even close to an evenly matched fight once that kryptonite got a hold of him. It was just depressing.
If the question is does Batman or Superman win, then Batman wins. In a big way, I'd say.
I expect Bats will track down Flash and Cyborg, and Diana will visit Atlantis and recruit Arthur and Mera.
captainpat
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So superman dies? Everyone and their mom knows he's gonna be in the justice league movie so why bother?
Character growth.
BronsonLee
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He got that too when he realized he wasn't infallible when Bruce was handing him dat asskicking
really annoys me that batman beats his shit in tbh
always been team superman on this whole superman vs batman hypothetical
from what i hear superman just toys with him until batman hits the turbo with the kyrptonite, and then is it even fair?
its like, no shit superman could just dispense with him without a moments notice, unless there was some variable like kryptonite
whatever bros, whatever
always been team superman on this whole superman vs batman hypothetical
from what i hear superman just toys with him until batman hits the turbo with the kyrptonite, and then is it even fair?
its like, no shit superman could just dispense with him without a moments notice, unless there was some variable like kryptonite
whatever bros, whatever
BLOODED_hands
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BronsonLee
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Superman doesn't want to hurt him
Batman wants to kill him
Supes doesn't know how to fight depowered so he loses and loses big
Batman wants to kill him
Supes doesn't know how to fight depowered so he loses and loses big
The kryptonite is over played quite frankly to add more credence to it being used against Doomsday, but this Superman also needed a weakness to be exploited as well
The Son of Krypton must come. He must spread the Gospel of El, and lead us into the Sun. Then we must turn our backs on him. Our finest must strike him down. He must be betrayed, and willing surrender to fate. He must give his life to redeem humanity. Then he must rise again.
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Lord Virgin
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Never doubt the Batgod.
lol
mariachi507
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I can accept Batman killing since there have been many iterations of this character over the years. No, this doesn't appear to be my preferred version that I have of Bats, but a hardened Batman that after years and years has decided to cross that line intrigues me. It could be an interesting characterization if explored further in this film or a future one.
ViewtifulJC
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this film is gonna be like catnip to people who unironically say "Batgod", I can tell
Inferno313
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Batman kills people in his very first appearance?
Only explanation for it is "Im so angry and stuff"?
Yeah no, I'm out.
Sounds like it's done in a very Arkham Knight kind of way. You know, where you could run people over with the Batmobile at 90 miles per hour and they were "unconscious." Like, it's never addressed as Batman killing anyone, but the acts on screen make it unlikely that no one died.
Is that true, folks who have seen this?
BronsonLee
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This is a Batman that's had 20+ years of crimefighting under his belt. That rule has come and gone.
That's something I want to point out too; I sincerely doubt they're going to be following a linear timeline with this. I think Suicide Squad and the Batman movies are going to be before all of this.
That's something I want to point out too; I sincerely doubt they're going to be following a linear timeline with this. I think Suicide Squad and the Batman movies are going to be before all of this.
I could live with that, but I was reading stuff about Batman re-directing a grenade to a bunch of guys a la Spiderman 3...
That ain't Batman
You don't introduce a character by saying his moral code, a trademark of the character mind you, just "Comes and goes"....
If he started killing after shit goes down in his own movie, or even this movie, it would be way more palatable
BronsonLee
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He deflects it away and they run towards it to pick it up.
He definitely kills at least one person.
bob_arctor
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Batman kills people in his very first appearance?
Only explanation for it is "Im so angry and stuff"?
Yeah no, I'm out.
Good for you, sticking to your principles, whatever those happen to be here.
Inferno313
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In the Entertainment Weekly article they said that the whole thing would be linear. They specifically said Suicide Squad would take place after this, and Wonder Woman would have modern-day bookends that would take place after Suicide Squad.
I'm ok with that though. We've seen so many films about a fresh Batman. I like the idea of doing a trilogy of solo films about old Batman with occasional flashback sequences.
This isn't his first appearance. He's been doing it for 20 years.
For the audience, it's their introduction to the new Batman.
It will be for at least 80% of the people I know. They know jackshit about comics, but they all know about the no kill rule. It will be jarring
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