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I have to assume Snyder just has some natural level of charisma or salesmanship that has allowed him to rise to such a position despite his clear lack of fundamental storytelling skills. It's the only reason I can see for how people like Nolan & Affleck could have been suckered in to believing he's the right man for this job. Otherwise, he probably would have sunken down to merely being a cinematographer or fight choreographer (which honestly seems to be where his real filmmaking talents lies) years ago.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
I have to assume Snyder just has some natural level of charisma or salesmanship that has allowed him to rise to such a position despite his clear lack of fundamental storytelling skills. It's the only reason I can see for how people like Nolan & Affleck could have been suckered in to believing he's the right man for this job. Otherwise, he probably would have sunken down to merely being a cinematographer or fight choreographer (which honestly seems to be where his real filmmaking talents lies) years ago.
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Which is extra weird since he can't do an interview without hurling his mouth squarely at his foot.
 
TrumanBurbank said:
Big Money Contract.

It's not like he can make huge money blockbusters when he is older. I think Matt Damon being Jason Bourne also contributed. In my crazy mind.
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Plus I'm sure he was thinking long term if they were promising him more movies. If the shit became a success like Nolan's trilogy, that's some decent cash. I wonder if he started to realize how much of a train wreck this was going to turn into as he was filming, having experience as a director himself.
 
A line from Polygon's review: "Ben Affleck, on the other hand, is by far the worst part of the movie."

wtf is going on with this movie
 
Saint Gregory said:
Dude is like the cartoon definition of a hack. No sense of subtlety whatsoever, every idea or theme is just a sledgehammer to this guy.
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Hack is a mercenary, a guy who makes things with minimal effort because he doesn't give a shit about the quality of the end product. They "hack" things out as fast as possible so they can move onto the next job and get the next check.

Zack Snyder isn't a hack. He's bad at story, and appears to have lost whatever sense of pacing he once had, but he does give a shit about the films he makes.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
I have to assume Snyder just has some natural level of charisma or salesmanship that has allowed him to rise to such a position despite his clear lack of fundamental storytelling skills. It's the only reason I can see for how people like Nolan & Affleck could have been suckered in to believing he's the right man for this job. Otherwise, he probably would have sunken down to merely being a cinematographer or fight choreographer (which honestly seems to be where his real filmmaking talents lies) years ago.
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There were quotes from Affleck saying how Snyder is a "great visual director", which now sounds like throwing shade
 
FriedConsole said:
I think this is the "jump the shark" moment for superhero films. I expect an inevitable decline in popularity of these movies from this point.
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Haha no. You think this shitty attempt at Trying to capture that Avengers magic is going to cause Civil War to see lower box office numbers?

Shitty movies have lower popularity. Not one shitty movie ruining an entire genre.
 
BronsonLee said:
It's either we get Fury Road or we get Justice League: Mortal

CHOOSE, DISCO, CHOOSE
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Just imagine how different the superhero movie landscape would be if Miller's Justice League came out in 2009 and was a success, just a year after Iron Man and 3 years before the Avengers, and started the DC Cinematic Universe right then.

Still would choose Fury Road though.
 
FriedConsole said:
I think this is the "jump the shark" moment for superhero films. I expect an inevitable decline in popularity of these movies from this point.
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Nah. At worst, it just means people aren't gonna bother to see anything based on a DC property for a while. Marvel's still too strong to be stopped right now.

jrh2 said:
That's why they stopped making Star Wars movies after the prequels, right?
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It's more like saying they didn't make any more Star Wars movies after Battle Beyond the Stars.
 
FriedConsole said:
I think this is the "jump the shark" moment for superhero films. I expect an inevitable decline in popularity of these movies from this point.
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If superhero movies can survive fucking Fantastic 4 then it can survive a lot of things for a while. Plus with Deadpool last month breaking records and Civil War next month (or May for the US) it'll be fine (unless Civil War and Apocalypse just fall apart).
 
JTripper said:
It's a "jump the shark" moment in that we have at last reached a point where Schumacher's Batman is actually being defended.

http://screencrush.com/why-joel-schumachers-batman-movies-dont-suck/?trackback=twitter_mobile
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jrh2 said:
That's why they stopped making Star Wars movies after the prequels, right?
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I don't think this is the jump the shark moment, but your rebuttal = a decade long break between Ep III and Ep VII. If that happened with superhero movies...yeah, I'd say this was the jump the shark moment.
 
bad said:
How are you guys saying JJ is better than Daredevil? How? Explain it to me.... because it's not.
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I haven't watched DD season 2 yet, but season 1 was soooooo boring and I didn't really care about any of the characters. It felt like a chore and an obligation with a foregone conclusion. Jessica Jones kept me enthralled the whole time and I just couldn't stop watching. I actually cared about the interactions and relationships.

I mean if you like watching people get punched I guess Daredevil is good...
 
DC super heroes are tonally all over the place. You can't just mash them together at the hands of a director like Snyder and hope it works.

Suicide Squad I feel, will definitely be more cohesive.
 
Can Crusher said:
DC super heroes are tonally all over the place. You can't just mash them together at the hands of a director like Snyder and hope it works.

Suicide Squad I feel, will definitely be more cohesive.
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At least that'll be about bad guys doing bad shit instead of good guys doing bad shit.
 
jrh2 said:
I haven't watched DD season 2 yet, but season 1 was soooooo boring and I didn't really care about any of the characters. It felt like a chore and an obligation with a foregone conclusion. Jessica Jones kept me enthralled the whole time and I just couldn't stop watching. I actually cared about the interactions and relationships.

I mean if you like watching people get punched I guess Daredevil is good...
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I felt JJ was a chore with people acting stupid for plot convenience.
 
I don't think this is a jump the shark moment. It may be damning for WB and DC, but Disney really has crafted a monumental media empire with Marvel. The utter ubiquity of Marvel merchandizing that I see everywhere is shocking.
tomtom94 said:
Hi Mark Kermode.
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Kermode's review of that film is one of the all time greats.
 
jrh2 said:
I haven't watched DD season 2 yet, but season 1 was soooooo boring and I didn't really care about any of the characters. It felt like a chore and an obligation with a foregone conclusion. Jessica Jones kept me enthralled the whole time and I just couldn't stop watching. I actually cared about the interactions and relationships.

I mean if you like watching people get punched I guess Daredevil is good...
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I feel the exact opposite. The only redeemable thing of JJ is David Tennant (sic). The characters are one dimensional, the action is Haarrrriiiibble, the story is a mess, and the pacing is uneven.
 
Wait is the title referencing Paul Blart: Mall Cop 1 or 2? Yes, it makes a difference.
*cries*

The reviews are getting comical now. I'll eat my hat if the movie does turn out to be shit to me but i refuse to believe it's the worst of the worst. Replace his name with a no name director and i know it wouldn't be picked on this bad. BUT the little spoilers i have seen makes me wish Snyder would ride off into the sunset. His vision with these characters just aren't clicking.

Bring back Nolan or give the keys to Affleck. Dude knows how to win oscars.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Wait is the title referencing Paul Blart: Mall Cop 1 or 2? Yes, it makes a difference.
*cries*

The reviews are getting comical now. I'll eat my hat if the movie does turn out to be shit to me but i refuse to believe it's the worst of the worst. Replace his name with a no name director and i know it wouldn't be picked on this bad. BUT the little spoilers i have seen makes me wish Snyder would ride off into the sunset. His vision with these characters just aren't clicking. .
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It's not, after watching it being super deflated by reviews, this is a very very flawed IN FORM film, with many good ambitions that didn't land, but it tried to do very interesting things the genre, and the blockbuster bussiness in general, badly needs. The reviewers are in full circle jerk mode now, trying to be the one with the scathiest words.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Hack is a mercenary, a guy who makes things with minimal effort because he doesn't give a shit about the quality of the end product. They "hack" things out as fast as possible so they can move onto the next job and get the next check.

Zack Snyder isn't a hack. He's bad at story, and appears to have lost whatever sense of pacing he once had, but he does give a shit about the films he makes.
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That's the origin of the term but nowadays it's more applicable to people who are simply bad at what they do and are unaware of their shortcomings, i.e. Snyder.

Being a mercenary is barely considered a negative in today's world, hell we have quotes in this very thread of Cavill bragging about being one.

I do place more blame for this on WB's shoulders than on Snyder's though. It's been clear for a long time that he's lost something and they thought that could be fixed by giving him more to work with somehow.
 
Jessica Jones isn't a superhero story, and it's pretty inaccessible if you don't have a frame of reference for the issues it's trying to tackle (just like how comic book movies might be inaccessible for people who don't have some reference point for comic books). But as a whole I think JJ does what it sets out to do way better than any other Marvel property, even if it isn't appealing at all to the typical Marvel fanbase.

I personally like Daredevil more and I probably won't rewatch Jessica Jones, but Jessica Jones definitely was the better-made show.
 
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