Have him reform himself to his gentler ways by introducing a Robin to mellow him out. Batman going off the rails over grief only to be pulled back by Dick or Tim is pretty common.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Glass Shark
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is... is this a troll post?
broncobuster
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The film spells it out. Bats changed after Zod's attack; the branding, extreme measures started months ago. It's framed as him losing hope. By the end he is regretful of all that and changes, or returns, to how he was.
Yep. He liked the movie. Must be a troll. Some of you are really silly. You didn't like it. He did. Move on. This incessant need to bash someone for their opinion is really getting out of hand now.
Yeah, but I said this from the audience PoV. Death of Superman should be something that really matters and not just something that lasts for a year. I know, they will using this as the reason the Justice League will assemble, but it felt so forced and so unecessary.
Hahaha hell yeah
Forgot to mention another annoyance. Martha Kent was gagged and had witch scrawled on her forehead in the polaroids, but was just chilling with a clean forehead (and no gag?) a couple of hours later.
Glass Shark
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i don't care if people like the movie, but one of his reasons for liking it is "Doomsday grows horns"
maybe I just watch movies differently from other people, but i value things like plot, characterization, pacing, and a script over "omg they stayed true to the comics!"
I saw the movie about an hour or so ago and I wanted to like it so much but sadly it's average, if that...
I get what they were trying to do but they jammed 5 different movies into one, making it a convoluted mess. I liked the Snyder "dark and brooding" style but the story was a mess.
What really pissed me off was that the two heroes were not fighting over ideological differences (at least Sups wasn't) but because Luthor Jr kidnapped Clark's mommy... I believe that Luthor should have done to Superman what he did to Batman and let them hash it out until they find out that they were both deceived.
Also, the introduction to the rest of the JTL was horrible.
I quite liked MoS but can't say I liked BvS...
EDIT: Looks like I forgot to mention that Jessie Eisenberg as Luthor was atrocious and one of the worst written characters in the movie.
I get what they were trying to do but they jammed 5 different movies into one, making it a convoluted mess. I liked the Snyder "dark and brooding" style but the story was a mess.
What really pissed me off was that the two heroes were not fighting over ideological differences (at least Sups wasn't) but because Luthor Jr kidnapped Clark's mommy... I believe that Luthor should have done to Superman what he did to Batman and let them hash it out until they find out that they were both deceived.
Also, the introduction to the rest of the JTL was horrible.
I quite liked MoS but can't say I liked BvS...
EDIT: Looks like I forgot to mention that Jessie Eisenberg as Luthor was atrocious and one of the worst written characters in the movie.
ambar_hitman
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Yup. Different people, different tastes.
Kenzodielocke
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Come on now. People like movies that you or a lot of people dislike.
Edit: Just fucking do Flashpoint Paradox, Jeffrey Morgan as the Bat, his wife as the Joker.
Aquamans cameo was fucking stupid, lol. But I love Ezra Millers attidude in real life, he will rock this role.
Maybe that's what he cared about. Does it matter?
Glass Shark
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Yep. It could have been so much better if we actually felt something during the conflict based on these characters' relationship... but we're just seeing two dudes punch each other who haven't met except for once for 30 whole seconds.
The reason Miller's TDKR worked so well in the comics is it played on the decades-long relationship between Bruce and Clark.
There was so much about this movie that just had no emotional weight because it was moving at a breakneck pace towards "we have to figure out how to get these guys to fight for 5 minutes" and doing it in the most hamfisted way possible
Hylianhero777
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I thought this was a joke at first but as I read on it became clear that this was serious...
You do realize that you're essentially saying you liked the movie because "it has lots of references" right? It really isn't "faithful to the comics" in any way because the most important thing they would be going for if they wanted to do that would have been to make sure that the characters felt true to the source material... which I think even fans of this movie would admit they didn't do, at least for Superman.
"Doomsday grows horns, 10/10 movie not like that BABY shit Nolan trilogy, that was for LITTLE KIDS."
Also lol at the fact that them just doing Death and Return is supposed to be a good thing because "it happened in the comics." Yeah it did, and although it was a great marketing gimmick as time has gone on it's become a pretty reviled storyline.
None of the things you listed in any way shape or form have any bearing on whether or not it was a good movie, at least not by conventional logic.
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Just seen it.
I was actually ok with the first half of the movie, only thing that was off there was Clarks obsession with Batman. Dude must have heard about Batman growing up, he was 20 years on the job. A vigilante just like himself, I'm sure the positive press must have outweight the negative press so I don't uderstand the hostility at all.
I think the exact moment when the movie broke down and went to hell was when Superman randomly crasht the Batmobile. What was he even thinking doing that? Clark must have witnessed what happened there and that Batman was in pursuit of some heavily armed criminals, and Clark didn't even went after them, just let them go as if Batman was the more dangerous dude on the scene, ridiculous.
Then the entire movie went to shit, everything was rushed as hell. They didn't know how to introduce Wonder Woman, and even less so the other DC characters. How they were revealed to the audience was irritating as fuck. Most people didn't know what the hell went on there.
I like the idea of Superman being pressured into killing Batman, but the execution and the events that unfold there are nonsensical and rushed.
Everything was rushed and not thought through. I shook my head several times in the second half of the movie.
MoS was better!
I was actually ok with the first half of the movie, only thing that was off there was Clarks obsession with Batman. Dude must have heard about Batman growing up, he was 20 years on the job. A vigilante just like himself, I'm sure the positive press must have outweight the negative press so I don't uderstand the hostility at all.
I think the exact moment when the movie broke down and went to hell was when Superman randomly crasht the Batmobile. What was he even thinking doing that? Clark must have witnessed what happened there and that Batman was in pursuit of some heavily armed criminals, and Clark didn't even went after them, just let them go as if Batman was the more dangerous dude on the scene, ridiculous.
Then the entire movie went to shit, everything was rushed as hell. They didn't know how to introduce Wonder Woman, and even less so the other DC characters. How they were revealed to the audience was irritating as fuck. Most people didn't know what the hell went on there.
I like the idea of Superman being pressured into killing Batman, but the execution and the events that unfold there are nonsensical and rushed.
Everything was rushed and not thought through. I shook my head several times in the second half of the movie.
MoS was better!
Glass Shark
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yeah, this is kinda what I was getting at when i called it a "troll post"
ok, like movies for whatever reason you want, but it's hard for me to take opinions like this seriously, at least in a way that matters to me
The problem is both of you took a thing he said he liked and combined it with another aspect of what he said that didn't entirely relate to create a new ridiculous statement to bash him for. Anyone can do that. For example...
Original statement:
"yeah, this is kinda what I was getting at when i called it a "troll post"
ok, like movies for whatever reason you want, but it's hard for me to take opinions like this seriously, at least in a way that matters to me"
New nitpick statement:
"Yea, like whatever you want it'll be a troll post"
Original statement:
"yeah, this is kinda what I was getting at when i called it a "troll post"
ok, like movies for whatever reason you want, but it's hard for me to take opinions like this seriously, at least in a way that matters to me"
New nitpick statement:
"Yea, like whatever you want it'll be a troll post"
ambar_hitman
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Well I am very very forgiving when it comes to Superhero movies. In fact, except the last Fantastic Four, there isn't a SINGLE superhero movie I disliked.
Anyways the points part was for explaining what most non-comic reading people might have missed/misunderstood.
Anyways the points part was for explaining what most non-comic reading people might have missed/misunderstood.
Charles Foster Kane
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Poorly received? Well it IS a Snyder film.
ambar_hitman
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If you apply conventional logic to any random Superhero movie out there, then there is no such thing as a good superhero movie. I or anyone can find tons of faults in any superhero movie out there by applying conventional logic.
Glass Shark
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I don't think he means "were the things that happened in the movie grounded in reality."
I think he means:
- Was the plot comprehensible?
- Were the characters' actions and motivations justified?
- Was the dialogue believable?
- Was the movie edited well?
- Was the soundtrack appropriate?
But again, please enjoy whatever you want to enjoy, I don't want to take that away from you.
Bullshit. There is one thing with human looking aliens and one thing with a move that fells apart when you think about it a second. Like why didnt flew Superman never over this small river to Gotham when there is so much crime while he is busy saving people in Mexico?
Hylianhero777
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You're right that I just used that one example, but if you look at the entire post every single thing on there ,these things that collectively made the movie "badass," were just references or shout outs. I addressed this in my original post as well, but my point was that all of those things, from "Death and Return storyline" to "Flash time travel" to "Darkseid is coming" aren't reasons that a movie is good or bad. That would be like if I praised Boyhood as a great movie and backed it up with "this movie features a clip of Dragon Ball Z on the TV."
Again I'm not trying to start something, just want to hear more about what he actually liked beyond the references. Often times I think people point to stuff like that as reasons why they like something but really haven't thought about it beyond this surface level stuff. It's obviously absolutely fine that he liked the movie.
I find it fascinating how some people manage to go out of their way to see a movie and then not even pay enough attention to it to understand it, because you clearly must have sat in the theater on your phone or something.
crazyrabbits
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At the end of the day, it's all about your suspension of disbelief. The question is whether the film goes over that line or not.
bryanee
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Do you use that logic when it comes to the comics? Oh why doesn't Superman just fly over to Gotham and solve all their problems?
ryutaro's mama
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Rewatch the movie.
He hears the tick and actually turns in the direction of the sounds. Being able to move faster than a speeding bullet and use freeze breath may have been helpful there.
Instead, the script called for him to completely asleep at the wheel through the entire scene.
I don't get this. Is it a reference to something?
Glass Shark
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my favorite type of post, the one where someone swoops in and says "pshaw, you clearly didn't understand [thing]" then conveniently doesn't explain what they think the thing meant
Makes less sense when Gotham is just across the river. Go to the last couple of pages, Ive posted a couple of that things.
Like Clark Kent, working for a big Newspaper, who doesnt know who Bruce Wayne is.
The movie has tons of that things. The Gotham/Metropolis is even one of the smaller examples, it just came into my mind.
HP_Wuvcraft
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wait what the fuck
Okay he's confused by how Superman knew the Bat-Signal was for him? Well immediately after Luthors Kryptonite is stolen Lex kidnaps Lois and Ma Kent and then tells Superman to go fight Batman or else his mom dies. And literally the scene following the bombing Clark tells Lois that he didn't see the bomb because he wasn't looking for it, because he was living in a dream world where men are good, and sees it as the world rejecting Superman so he flies off.
bryanee
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Yeah and in some comics Gotham and Metropolis are just across the bay from each other.
It is odd however that he's never heard of Bruce Wayne but that's nitpick territory for me.
He clenches his fist and you can hear his leather glove tighten like in Watchmen as he lunges towards the robber.
It. Was. So. Bad.
And that's what made the movie good to him. I don't understand why that personally matters to you. At least on such a way you feel the need to bash him for it. Is it too much to say you just don't agree with his assessment and maybe engage him in conversation? Or just outright ignore him instead of trying to tear his opinion apart like yours matters anymore than his does.
I'm kind of ranting here. I'm not trying to attack you but I've been seeing this a lot and not just for BvS.
yeah, and in most not.
ryutaro's mama
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So how does Lex know that the signal is for him? There is nothing but the script that suggests that.
And your shitty explanation for the other plot point where Superman just falls asleep when a bomb goes off because the script needed it to.
GTFOOH, breh.
ambar_hitman
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All superhero movie fall apart when you apply similar logic.
Why doesn't Tony Stark build Iron Man armors for all Avengers. Imagine Hulk wearing a Hulk Buster armor OR Captain America flying around in Mark 52. Then can destroy all supervillains like they are nothing.
Supes was distracted thinking if he was really smelling pee in the courtroom.
bryanee
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And in some it is. Point is its been done before.
Oh why doesn't The Flash just beat all crime in all cities. He's fast enough after all.
Poodlestrike
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It really doesn't matter. Across the river or across the world, it's barely a hop skip and a jump away for Superman in any case. The physical distance is perfectly irrelevant.
What a useless nitpick.
Schweinehund
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ryutaro's mama
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Might have been more believable than that bullshit we saw on screen. I wouldn't know, since, you know, I was looking at my phone or whatever.
At an advanced screening.
Fantastic retort.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, it's funny how you managed that. Gonna have to teach me some tricks.
Dash_Riprock
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Schweinehund
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Ok, so I tell you to go find Batman or else your mom dies.
The Bat signal is activated, the signal used to call Batman.
Where do you think you'll find Batman?
ryutaro's mama
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Superman doesn't need a Bat signal to know where Batman is. Also, Lex isn't coordinating with Batman so it's not like he said, "turn on the signal and I'll send him there". Batman, in a vacuum, is turning on his own signal, hoping to lure Superman there for a face off but has no idea if it will work or not.
In the movie, it makes abstract sense but in reasonable logic, it's clown shoes.
Poodlestrike
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In reasonable logic there's also the "bury the signal" scene.
ryutaro's mama
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He tells him not to come to the signal if it goes up, implying that if Gordon or whoever summons him, don't bother going.
The signal being used to summon Superman (and more directly, Lex knowing it's him that turned it on) is a hilarious leap the script makes for reasons.
yukianderson
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I saw it and don't get the hate the movie gets or the horrible reviews. I mean it might not be perfect but that low reviews are really questionable. I liked the movie and personally can't wait for justice league.
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