LOL Why is Batman randomly having visions of the future?
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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LOL Why is Batman randomly having visions of the future?
ambar_hitman
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It might be because of Flash time traveling, a side effect of speedforce use around him.
spleenpoker
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I may have missed a bit but why are people blaming superman for what happened in the desert when everyone that was killed was shot?
Love, you know me. Anyone who isn't compassionate if misguided Batdad who's ultimately a good guy and doesn't actually enjoying hurting people is automatically repulsive.
I'm glad the movie ended positively. I don't know if that was actually deserved, but it's better than what I thought we would get.
As for Clark, one of the things I like about him is that he doesn't let that mistrust get him down. His "Boy Scout" image is kind of a front sometimes, so I do think he feels it, but at the end of the day he's an upbeat guy. I don't think this take on him is absolutely terrible but Clark's personality and hope is sorely missed in such a bleak world. :/
Snyder probably thought the movie had gone too long without any action, so why not throw in a dream sequence of Batman fighting some fools? And then we can add in a Justice League hook too! Awesome planning all around.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Superman punches Doomsday off Earth, murica nukes them, Doomsday falls back to earth, Superman has to wait for the sun to heal him, flies back as Doomsday has gone aggro on WW and Batman: LET ME TAKE HIM TO THE DESERT FOR YOU GUYS.
This is a really bad idea. Your idea is worse than his.
You should watch or read other Superman material, he doesn't do this, but alas you're ready to shit on it because it's "inconsistent" or some other thing. Did you know there exists a thing in the DC comics called the Doomsday Protocol? Yeah, they don't move shit to the desert.
Would be awesome if the movie explained this in some way.
Jack Remington
Banned
MINIMUM I would give it is a 3.5/5
I don't think anyone cared enough to really think about it or investigate. Or Lex did something to the bodies.
I'm actually okay with random shit being thrown in like this. But then again I'm a superhero comics fan.
ryutaro's mama
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I honestly don't care if YOU think this is worse.
It has no bearing on my thoughts on the fight happening in the city as silly so you might as well move on.
sketchsanchez
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Just got back. I was so hyped. I liked Man of Steel.
This was a shit show.
I'm just so angry and disappointed I dont even know how to articulate it.
What is it about Batman that causes every movie version to be a killer? I thought returns was blatant but then Batman in this movie forces a thug to aim and fire on his own buddies killing them. Then he blows them up with a grenade. I don't get it.
And the knightmare sequence...that really should have been cut. It serves no purpose and comes out of nowhere. Batman carrying a gun and using it in that sequence was jarring too. This movie feels like a 4 hour movie that was cut down to 2 and a half or whatever the actual runtime is, which I guess is what happened? I'm not sure it'd change how I feel about the movie though, but who knows.
I like Snyder films. I like grim and gritty. But this was a dour and oppressive experience through out, I felt uncomfortable.
What a fucking shame.
This was a shit show.
I'm just so angry and disappointed I dont even know how to articulate it.
What is it about Batman that causes every movie version to be a killer? I thought returns was blatant but then Batman in this movie forces a thug to aim and fire on his own buddies killing them. Then he blows them up with a grenade. I don't get it.
And the knightmare sequence...that really should have been cut. It serves no purpose and comes out of nowhere. Batman carrying a gun and using it in that sequence was jarring too. This movie feels like a 4 hour movie that was cut down to 2 and a half or whatever the actual runtime is, which I guess is what happened? I'm not sure it'd change how I feel about the movie though, but who knows.
I like Snyder films. I like grim and gritty. But this was a dour and oppressive experience through out, I felt uncomfortable.
What a fucking shame.
Why is everyone a fucking psycho in this?
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Ah, entrenched. Enjoy, mate, you go get 'em. Let the world know this uninhibited island is a dumb idea and Superman should have carried Doomsday to a desert.
You can go back to regularly scheduled on-the-nose snark. It's quite evident you weren't ready to discuss the movie.
ryutaro's mama
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Because, according the Amy Adams, Zack Snyder didn't make this movie for the critics.
Ok, so you're gonna move on.
Cool.
bananafactory
Banned
I also can't get over how lame the fight was. Jesus Christ. I don't know what I expected but it wasn't that.
First off, it feels like we got half of it in the trailers. Superman lands, throws Batman through a building and onto the roof. Batman gases him and throws him down through the window.
Then they trade some punches in a hallway before Batman throws him down one more time. And like...that's it.
The Doomsday fight was far more interesting. And it sucked too.
First off, it feels like we got half of it in the trailers. Superman lands, throws Batman through a building and onto the roof. Batman gases him and throws him down through the window.
Then they trade some punches in a hallway before Batman throws him down one more time. And like...that's it.
The Doomsday fight was far more interesting. And it sucked too.
3/5 is the HIGHEST I would give this thing.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Yeah, it did. I thought I heard Jack once. I'm confused by who that is.
I would've legitimately given it a star higher grade (so 2.5 stars instead 1.5 stars) if those last 20 minutes didn't fucking kill off Superman in his second movie. And don't give me that bullshit final shot. Snyder killed Superman in his second movie. That shit's completely unforgivable and even if Superman comes back (which is gonna happen), the fact that they spend 20 minutes mourning Superman makes the movie a total waste in my minds.
Fuck this movie, and fuck Zack Snyder. I want a real Superman and a real Batman, not these bastardizations that are painfully close to being there but yet miss the mark by so far.
And also, LOL at the movie literally introducing Superman with him murdering another guy.
Fuck this movie, and fuck Zack Snyder. I want a real Superman and a real Batman, not these bastardizations that are painfully close to being there but yet miss the mark by so far.
And also, LOL at the movie literally introducing Superman with him murdering another guy.
Compared to seeing Clark fight other Kryptonians at light speed, of course it felt lame.
Love you, know me. Anyone who isn't compassionate if misguided Batdad who's ultimately a good guy and doesn't actually enjoying hurting people is automatically repulsive.
I'm glad the movie ended positively. I don't know if that was actually deserved, but it's better than what I thought we would get.
As for Clark, one of the things I like about him is that he doesn't let that mistrust get him down. His "Boy Scout" image is kind of a front sometimes, so I do think he feels it, but at the end of the day he's an upbeat guy. I don't think this take on him is absolutely terrible but Clark's personality and hope is sorely missed in such a bleak world. :/
That boy scout stuff kind of feels like a holdover from the era of "boys don't cry". IMO, Superman is a little more interesting, a little more "belonging to Earth", if he feels the same things we do. I mean, I was led to believe that his earthly emotions were his greatest strength.
I see people defending this ("it was a nod to Justice League!") but I have a hard time believing any filmmaker would be OK with this inclusion. Thor's scene in AoU was crap but this was on another level. Bruce Wayne dozed off while encrypting data and he dreamed a different movie.
I'm surprised Bruce didn't say "You know, Diana, we really are the Justice League" in the end because the movie has no problems tacking on JL characters just because.
ryutaro's mama
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How can any peril Superman will be in going forward matter when they already fake killed him once?
It was going for shock value and instead came away with schlock value.
(On the nose snark, right there)
Batman wasn't really psycho, just profoundly stupid. his turn was absolutely mind numbing. Basically "Oh bro, my mom is named martha too, shit dude my bad that hits way too close to home."
He was somehow maniuplated by lex luthor... who manipulated lois lane and all his manipulation never got to batman in really any serious way. But he totes buys it all at face value when Superman tells him midway through the fight that he's a pawn.
Lex was god awful in this. He doesn't come off as smart or a genius or anything - he comes off like the rambling homeless man down the street speaking riddles that make no sense.
Fuck what an awful movie
Jack Remington
Banned
Anyone remember the show VR Troopers where one of the things they could do was teleport themselves and all their enemies to a random desert somewhere?
bananafactory
Banned
Seriously. He's SO committed to the idea of taking out Superman that he's staking his life on it, calling it his legacy. Then they have a little bond over mothers and he tosses the spear aside? What the fuck? What about all his speeches?
I'm actually okay with random shit being thrown in like this. But then again I'm a superhero comics fan.
I would've liked it a lot more if it didn't feel like a completely unnecessary scene in a movie that was already bloated. In the moment, it was just confused, and I understood those were parademons and Superman's Regime. For someone completely unfamiliar with comics, that had to be a huge "WTF" moment.
Didn't recognize that guy as the Flash either. Too used to the CW Flash. It's weird having a movie Flash and a TV flash.
ambar_hitman
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They would in JL1 and 2.
I am almost certain we are getting a mixture of Flashpoint and Injustice storyline.
CANNOT WAIT.
ryutaro's mama
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Script ran out of time.
illmatic22
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LMAO
I thought the same thing.
sketchsanchez
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You put into words how I feel right now. Especially the batman stuff.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Maybe, but we know we are going to get that information anyway, so I didn't view it as a negative. I viewed it more as a nugget of something interesting where I can make an educated guess on, but won't know for absolute certainty until it's inevitably explained in upcoming movies.
Funny because most of what was stated there I actually feel the complete opposite about and believe most of it was either easily explainable in the movie's universe or inferred that we are going to learn more about this stuff later.
Regarding Batman, the fucker is broken. Broken Batman. Batman is broken. This is the universe where he fucking kills The Joker and he best friend dies. I mean, Batman keeps the suit with "The Joke's on you" etc. right there for him to always remember. Broken Batman is broken, and breaks the world around him if it fucks with him. And fuck with him it did, and fuck with it he did.
BlackGoku03
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Just saw it. Here's my thoughts on it.
Batman gives ZERO fucks in this movie. He just gets the job done. He has some casualties in this but you know, I'm willing to forgive it slightly. It's no worse than the way Burton's Batman murcs fools in his movies. When watching the movie, it doesn't seem as big an issue as you would think before going in.
Batman gives ZERO fucks in this movie. He just gets the job done. He has some casualties in this but you know, I'm willing to forgive it slightly. It's no worse than the way Burton's Batman murcs fools in his movies. When watching the movie, it doesn't seem as big an issue as you would think before going in.
ryutaro's mama
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One of the most interesting takes I have read on the film. Thanks for posting.
ryutaro's mama
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Oh fuck...I had forgotten all about that.
"The council has forbidden mutations..."
"Where is the council?"
"Dead."
"Well, then proceed..."
"As you wish..." <makes Doomsday>
bananafactory
Banned
ryutaro's mama
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Script needed a 3rd act.
Because he's the badguy, duh
Something something jesus. Like that time in the bible when jesus fought the mutant space nazi.
Up until this point Batman had perceived Superman as an all powerful alien. Even while the beat down he was telling Superman how he isn't really a man. So when he learns that Superman has a mother (who is presumably human) he cares for it shakes his notion of who Superman is. The Martha thing triggers his own memory, bringing out a soft spot in him.
You could make the argument that Batman should've done his research a long time ago and figured this out by himself but you know... Zack Snyder. That scene itself was fine I thought... I had legitimately forgotten that both of their moms were named Martha so it was a nice tie in.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
It was the genesis chamber which is why it read Zod's DNA but didn't accept Lex's. All Lex did was use logic to get the ship to work since it's an AI. It's shown in the first one to listen to orders when possible so it's quite fair to say having the ship acknowledge the council is dead can lead to it allowing the chamber to work. Would have been interesting to see a bit of back and forth between Lex and the ship, though. The entrance is blocked by hand print but the goods are controlled by the key left in the ship.
Frozenprince
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RobbieNick
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Saw it tonight and honestly? I thought it was pretty good. Not great mind you. A seven. Would pick up the Blu-Ray. Way better than MOS.
THE GOOD: Ben Affleck as Batman. This is a much more "Dark Knight Returns" Batman than we usually get. The double tradgeties of losing Robin and any of his close co-workers at Wayne Towers have pushed him over the edge. He'll brand criminals with a hot iron and is not afraid to kill every once in awhile. Still Affleck's Bruce Wayne was great and I can't wait to see him in a solo movie.
I...actually kinda liked Eisenberg's Lex JUNIOR repeat JUNIOR (people tend to forget that.) He put a little bit a Gene Wilder along with the Joker and a facial tick to make for a unique and interesting character. There's enough dialog to give him a backstory (abused by father, not given any power despite his genius) to flesh him out I thought. Plus, he brought a little bit of levity.
Jeremy Irons Alfred was incredible and perfect.
I thought Doomsday was a fun boss fight and we got to see WW pull out all the stops during it.
The action scenes were well done. Especially Batman taking a ton of gun-toting goons on the third floor.
Wonder Woman was great in action scenes, buuuuttt..
THE BAD: Gadot's acting is stiff as fuck. real bland.
I really, REALLY hate Cavil's Superman. First rescue he kills a guy by knocking him through some wall at super speed. As far as the devastation from the last film goes, It wasn't exactly your fault Supes, but it was still your people so TAKE SOME FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY! Help with devastation relief. Something!
"The pout of Steel" He never acts, he never emotes, he just pouts. A court building blew up with him inside it and does he scream "NNOOOO!" at all the dead people and devastation? Nope. He just pouts. Again, runs away and doesn't help with relief efforts.What an asshole.
"Clark, you don't owe these people anything!" FUCK YOU LADY!
Batman's dream sequences could have easily been cut and we would have lost nothing.
Superman - "I'm going to reason with him!" One little attack from Batman and he starts throwing him around right away instead of just kneeling down and saying "please, help my mother". All it needed was a bit of editing to show Batman never backing off and forcing Supes into the fight. Speaking of mothers.....
"Save Martha!" Who says their mother's first name like that? Pretty much never. Plus, he had no idea that Batman's mom had the same name.
THE GOOD: Ben Affleck as Batman. This is a much more "Dark Knight Returns" Batman than we usually get. The double tradgeties of losing Robin and any of his close co-workers at Wayne Towers have pushed him over the edge. He'll brand criminals with a hot iron and is not afraid to kill every once in awhile. Still Affleck's Bruce Wayne was great and I can't wait to see him in a solo movie.
I...actually kinda liked Eisenberg's Lex JUNIOR repeat JUNIOR (people tend to forget that.) He put a little bit a Gene Wilder along with the Joker and a facial tick to make for a unique and interesting character. There's enough dialog to give him a backstory (abused by father, not given any power despite his genius) to flesh him out I thought. Plus, he brought a little bit of levity.
Jeremy Irons Alfred was incredible and perfect.
I thought Doomsday was a fun boss fight and we got to see WW pull out all the stops during it.
The action scenes were well done. Especially Batman taking a ton of gun-toting goons on the third floor.
Wonder Woman was great in action scenes, buuuuttt..
THE BAD: Gadot's acting is stiff as fuck. real bland.
I really, REALLY hate Cavil's Superman. First rescue he kills a guy by knocking him through some wall at super speed. As far as the devastation from the last film goes, It wasn't exactly your fault Supes, but it was still your people so TAKE SOME FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY! Help with devastation relief. Something!
"The pout of Steel" He never acts, he never emotes, he just pouts. A court building blew up with him inside it and does he scream "NNOOOO!" at all the dead people and devastation? Nope. He just pouts. Again, runs away and doesn't help with relief efforts.What an asshole.
"Clark, you don't owe these people anything!" FUCK YOU LADY!
Batman's dream sequences could have easily been cut and we would have lost nothing.
Superman - "I'm going to reason with him!" One little attack from Batman and he starts throwing him around right away instead of just kneeling down and saying "please, help my mother". All it needed was a bit of editing to show Batman never backing off and forcing Supes into the fight. Speaking of mothers.....
"Save Martha!" Who says their mother's first name like that? Pretty much never. Plus, he had no idea that Batman's mom had the same name.
That's something I don't get about this movie, and I'm almost afraid to see Snyder's explanation.
So I get the Jesus allegory with Superman. In this movie and MOS, especially here when he dies and comes back. Fine.
But what the fuck was Lex going on about? If God is all powerful that means he's not all good. Superman is all powerful, but he ended up being all good anyways? Does this movie say that God, being all powerful, is still good?
Or does that not count since Superman had some intent of killing Batman (even though he tried not to in the beginning).
Bleh.
bananafactory
Banned
I can't get over how bad everything involving that amputee was. Good grief
The Driver
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Lmao, you know the reasons why they did it, 1.) They didn't want to catch the same flak that MoS did. 2.) Fly him to a desert isn't a option when Doomsday was fighting with Clark the whole way up (aka the exact same reason Clark didn't fly Zod out of Metropolis). 3.) If you want someplace not Gotham/Metropolis, it has to be closer and not a desert for damn sure. Nothing to explode, little geography to exploit, and not to mention it would mean Batman and Wonder Woman get left out because they can't get to wherever the fight is as fast as Superman.
I agree in the extent that it's kinda eye-roll inducing having it pop up 3 times but look at the shit MoS got, I mean even the Avengers made sure to let the audience know Tony was good and in the clear before he piledrived the Hulk through that skyscraper so they wouldn't catch heat for collateral damage. It's annoying it's come to this but people have brought this to the forefront so unless we start to get fights in the desert like you want or in empty space or some shit, there is always gonna be damage during these fights and its gonna need hand waving otherwise the "think about the civilian casualties!" crews come out.
Just got back from my second viewing and I wanna clear up some of Batman's "kills".
He only has two very obvious "yo you just killed someone violently" moments and they both involve his vehicles.
First the Batmobile chase. He for sure took out that technical, I mean not only does he fire on it till it blows to shit, he rams through it right after. The grapple hook one could go either way, obviously it looks pretty bad but the car used as an anchor doesn't explode and the one that gets the anchor tossed on it doesn't completely get pancaked.
Second, the Batwing during the Martha rescue. He fires on that line of like 3 SUVs and they all explode, probably dead if they where in the vehicle.
As for the rescue it's self, he doesn't actually kill anyone by his own hand, he makes a goon DROP a grenade, which said goon dives for and its blows up. The guy he throws around with the rifle does not actually hit anyone, they all duck and it's not his finger on the trigger anyway. There's also a bit with a knife that I've seen a few people view as him stabbing someone in the chest but it was definitely the shoulder. Finally with the russian and the machine gun bit which is getting a lot of attention, he actually doesn't cause the flamethrower to explode by shooting it, he fires a single shot which makes a hole in the tank that leaks gas, which then ignites AFTER the guy still tries to torch Martha instead of taking off the pack.
Yeah, Batman probably figured he would go that route but still the guy definitely tied the knot on his own death. Even then, characters have survived worst shit then getting blown out a window so ehhh lol.
Knightmare sequence speaks for itself in its very name. Any use of guns and the like is because it's a vision of alternate world where Earth is invaded by Darkseid with Superman on his side. That's the ultimate desperate times call for desperate measures situation I think.
I know Snyder let his usual meatheadedness get to y'all (not just speaking to you but the thread) by trying to explain his choices with Batman but the stuff Batman pulls here is no where near as bad as people are making it out to be and is pretty in line with what normally goes down in Batman films.
If you are a fan of a very certain Batman who never kills then yeah, you'll definitely take issue, but I would think that issue would apply to almost every Batman we've gotten. There's also the fact that by the end of the movie Batman realizes he's been probably riding the edge too much and vows to be better for Clark.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Doesn't hear it across the planet. You're supposed to assume since they're in a relationship that he knows she's in the desert. How he knew danger was afoot, stalking? Your heart theory is ridiculous.
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