Lex is an asshole, and Mercy likely knew about his Zod experiments. Loose end.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Lex is an asshole, and Mercy likely knew about his Zod experiments. Loose end.
Pandora012
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That Teen Titans Go! hype.
Just lol'd hard at work.
This sounds EXACTLY like the excuse I heard in Man of Steel. "You see, it's Superman's first day, so of course he's bad at his job. It's not really Superman yet. Him killing Zod means he's learned how bad it is to kill and now he won't kill in the next movie! Just you wait and see!"
*Superman smashes a non-powered guy into a wall, probably turning him into paste, right in the beginning of Batman v Superman*
"Well, Batman kills now, he's not really Batman anymore, but Superman is going to mellow him out and he's going to learn to be more compassionate and not kill as often in the NEXT movie! Just you wait and see!"
Razgriz-Specter
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He had a weird armor suit, even the cowl fold back and everything futuristically.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yussss
Character development is having your characters do the wrong then, then learn that they were wrong and do the right thing, yes.
And that dude is fine until proven otherwise, lol. Set that to upbeat music and you have an StAS scene.
Yup the people crying in my theater told me that one. And I really liked it personally.
Supermanisdead
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omg im drunk and this movie was NOT hbad tbhq
Pandora012
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It took me a couple of seconds to realize it was him. Then to release that he was doing his time travel thing.
What I don't get is why was the part a dream sequence. Was it necessary to have a dream with in a dream?
Teens Titans GO!!! - Very popular with the kiddies.
BewareTheBatsie
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Maybe it's because I know Ezra Miller from some prior work, but I recognized him as the Flash in that moment easily enough.
You know, Superman Returns also had a "Superman is/could be dead" scene.
Except 10 times more effective and better made.
This movie has retroactively actually made me like Man of Steel even less and I'm somehow appreciating Superman Returns a bit more. I really believe the DC world would be in a better place if they had given Singer a second chance.
And how we're stuck with a deeply mediocre director who's about to start on his third and fourth chances to make something that isn't a stinker. Is he even worthy of being called mediocre? He's more like unintelligent.
Except 10 times more effective and better made.
This movie has retroactively actually made me like Man of Steel even less and I'm somehow appreciating Superman Returns a bit more. I really believe the DC world would be in a better place if they had given Singer a second chance.
And how we're stuck with a deeply mediocre director who's about to start on his third and fourth chances to make something that isn't a stinker. Is he even worthy of being called mediocre? He's more like unintelligent.
The dream was not a dream and more than likely a vision of the likely future induced by The Flash's time traveling through the speed force
Or some shit
Don't get excited. ComScore PostTrak is often hilariously off the market.
Even the worst films often have a high tracking on opening weekend, even stinkers like Allegiant doing far better than their critical reception would imply.
It is what it is.
FlashbladeGAF
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Even though he was doing his best Christopher Reeve impersonation, I cared about Clark and Stalker Superman in this. He was actually a character, with a personality and feelings.
Every time I see Cavill on screen, I don't hate his performances, I just hate what he's either forced to do (frowning) or what he's not doing (smiling/showing in type of passion or love for anything)
69% was an F when I was in school. B seems like an improvement!
Doctor Decimate
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I never bought that argument for Man of Steel, but I don't think it's the same thing since there is actual progression in the movie for Batman as far as the branding goes. The killing can go either way I think, but I do feel that the argument for Batman's growth away from killing is rooted in what we see in the movie; Man of Steel was mostly based on what people extrapolated and hoped would happen in the sequel.
Also I couldn't help but find the President authorizing and deploying a space nuke in minutes to be special levels of awful writing. All so that Snyder could get his image of an emaciated Superman regaining his powers from the sun, even though he already did half of that scene in Man of Steel.
It's a big budget fan film, and a bad fan film at that.
It's a big budget fan film, and a bad fan film at that.
Poodlestrike
Banned
booooo
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It was a funny moment when Batman is watching Wonder Woman and Superman fight Doomsday as he stays behind cover doing nothing until the last minute.
BewareTheBatsie
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I will say I hate the continued Jesus symbolism with Superman, such as Batman carrying him out with Superman shaped like he was on the cross, or Lois hunched over him when he died like Mary would have. Hell the movie is released on Good fucking Friday. Justice League gonna be released on Easter Sunday I feel it in my bones.
FlashbladeGAF
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no... don't go in with those Nintendo Direct like expectations.
Man o' Subtle
No stupider than the WSC trying to nuke New York.
Pandora012
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Dude knew he would get destroyed. He didn't even have his special armor on.
Learned that the hard way with Metroid....
It wasn't even the nuke, so much as the fact that it's some kind of heat-seeking space nuke.
BewareTheBatsie
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Strangely enough, I like that part. Batman always tends to be shown beating down the superpowered villain through means of 'it's Batman' while the actual powered beings get their asses kicked. Nice for once for it to be played as realistic as it would get.
Just came back from the theater and yeah the movie was a bit underwhelming but I still enjoyed it somewhat.
Pros
+Batman
+Wonder Woman
+Superb action scenes
Cons
-Lex Luthor
-Not enough Superman
-Doomsday
-Plot felt rushed at times
-Funeral scene was hella lame
Hopefully the WW movie in 2017 is good as well the inevitable new batman film whenever that happens.
Pros
+Batman
+Wonder Woman
+Superb action scenes
Cons
-Lex Luthor
-Not enough Superman
-Doomsday
-Plot felt rushed at times
-Funeral scene was hella lame
Hopefully the WW movie in 2017 is good as well the inevitable new batman film whenever that happens.
31GhostsIV
Banned
Yeah, when he appeared I thought it was a cameo from the red cyborg ninja from Mortal Kombat.
Watched this earlier (my son wanted to see it), it's a fucking terrible movie. The only thing I liked was the inspired casting of Jeremy Irons, and he's barely in the bloody thing so anyone could have been in that role anyway.
My biggest complaint is that nothing about the movie is fun.
Glass Shark
Banned
hey guys remember when Lex said "this will be your DOOMSDAY"
this movie is going to give me an aneurysm
this movie is going to give me an aneurysm
FlashbladeGAF
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I kinda wanted to see that in live action form though. Batman getting in some good licks through his ingenuity more than just his fists.
(this basically happened in the movie though)
I also wanted to see him move more like the demon version they showed him to be in the beginning. That batman could move.
To bad this is Man of DBZ though, Batman might have been able to survive a hit, if they toned it down some.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
I liked it. I mean, it has issues people have raised and I personally would have done a lot different, but it wasn't terrible.
I do have to side with the DC Defense Force that these films get reviewed/critiqued much harsher than the Marvel ones. Age of Ultron was a much worse movie than this, but because it skews young/for fun/lighthearted it gets a pass. While this movie is being reviewed like a drama. Which I guess is fair because its trying so hard to be one.
Lose Luther, Lose Snyder, and let's move on.
I do have to side with the DC Defense Force that these films get reviewed/critiqued much harsher than the Marvel ones. Age of Ultron was a much worse movie than this, but because it skews young/for fun/lighthearted it gets a pass. While this movie is being reviewed like a drama. Which I guess is fair because its trying so hard to be one.
Lose Luther, Lose Snyder, and let's move on.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just got back, man the movie is DARK, adding in 3D made it even darker. I took off the glasses during the 'talkey' scenes, since there's no fast motion or action going on, it was ok mostly.
Anyway. Batman was the best part of the movie, Cavil/Superman in general is a boring character. The Arkham-style beatdown of the 2 dozen goons near the end was my favorite part.
Wonder Woman got a surprisingly loud pop at the cinema but personally I didn't like Gal talking with that Mediterranean accent.
Batman looked super out of place during the final fight, I can't imagine how they'll use the character with even more powerful enemies like Darkseid at this rate.
Also I can't believe they did the League of fucking extraordinary gentlemen ending ..
Anyway. Batman was the best part of the movie, Cavil/Superman in general is a boring character. The Arkham-style beatdown of the 2 dozen goons near the end was my favorite part.
Wonder Woman got a surprisingly loud pop at the cinema but personally I didn't like Gal talking with that Mediterranean accent.
Batman looked super out of place during the final fight, I can't imagine how they'll use the character with even more powerful enemies like Darkseid at this rate.
Also I can't believe they did the League of fucking extraordinary gentlemen ending ..
WadiumArcadium
Member
The Knightmare scene was fun. Batman beating the crap out of goons as he would in the comics was fun. The Batmobile chase scene was fun. Wonder Woman was fun.
The film's definitely got a pretty depressing tone overall though.
31GhostsIV
Banned
I didn't find those things fun. It was just explosions and high speed shit clashing with other high speed shit. Michael Bay gets more shit for less.
And the dream sequences were dreadfully executed too. Levitating Bruce was cringeworthy.
And Batfleck gives no shits , he'll gun down, blow up and stab anyone in his way. Or brand them so someone else kills them in prison.
But he won't do any of those things to Lex because reasons.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It did fit his character, being overly dramatic and all.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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Those low scores seem like a more than fair assessment.
How was 300 a superior movie than this is mind blowing. Snyder had so much more story content to work with for all the characters in this movie, and yet still managed to completely mess it up, hahaha.
Did we really need to see a Bat origin story for the 30th time and flashbacks? Kid bat being levitated by the swarm of bats in that hole was hilarious af and so corny.
Terrible dialog. Terrible editing. It was as if someone filmed all these neat scenes and handed them over to some Batman diehard fanboy to edit the theatrical release and they had never touched iMovie or another editing software.
Wasn't NOT killing innocent civilians a thing that highlighted both Batman and Superman's characters??
Lex Luthor ...just lol. That said, Eisenberg proved that he would make a decent Riddler.
Batman MadMax scene... wtf was that about? Had nothing to do with anything else in the movie. Though it was clear it was a nap dream/time fuckery, that still made no sense within the movie's context.
Wonder Woman, water Khal Drogo, and Jeremy Irons as Alfred were cool, I even liked Afleck's Bat, except for the people killing part. But yeah, Snyder must hate Superman given how this came off more as a Bat flick and how little dialog Cavill had to work with. Could have sworn he went at least 1 hour+ w/o anything to contribute but stone face.
Doomsday managed to be incredibly underwhelming somehow.
Batman rescuing Superman's Martha was the highlight fight of the entire movie...
Oh yeah, and after all that time, training effort and hate towards Superman. Batman just decides to become bff's with Superman in the middle of battle because his mom's name is also Martha?? In 3 seconds LOL It completely deflated what was supposed to be THE fighting pinnacle of the movie.
It's not surprising why comic fans, maybe Batman specific, enjoyed it, while the rest were treated to an incoherent mess.
How was 300 a superior movie than this is mind blowing. Snyder had so much more story content to work with for all the characters in this movie, and yet still managed to completely mess it up, hahaha.
Did we really need to see a Bat origin story for the 30th time and flashbacks? Kid bat being levitated by the swarm of bats in that hole was hilarious af and so corny.
Terrible dialog. Terrible editing. It was as if someone filmed all these neat scenes and handed them over to some Batman diehard fanboy to edit the theatrical release and they had never touched iMovie or another editing software.
Wasn't NOT killing innocent civilians a thing that highlighted both Batman and Superman's characters??
Lex Luthor ...just lol. That said, Eisenberg proved that he would make a decent Riddler.
Batman MadMax scene... wtf was that about? Had nothing to do with anything else in the movie. Though it was clear it was a nap dream/time fuckery, that still made no sense within the movie's context.
Wonder Woman, water Khal Drogo, and Jeremy Irons as Alfred were cool, I even liked Afleck's Bat, except for the people killing part. But yeah, Snyder must hate Superman given how this came off more as a Bat flick and how little dialog Cavill had to work with. Could have sworn he went at least 1 hour+ w/o anything to contribute but stone face.
Doomsday managed to be incredibly underwhelming somehow.
Batman rescuing Superman's Martha was the highlight fight of the entire movie...
Oh yeah, and after all that time, training effort and hate towards Superman. Batman just decides to become bff's with Superman in the middle of battle because his mom's name is also Martha?? In 3 seconds LOL It completely deflated what was supposed to be THE fighting pinnacle of the movie.
It's not surprising why comic fans, maybe Batman specific, enjoyed it, while the rest were treated to an incoherent mess.
He named and labeled all the other major players introduced in this film. Why stop there?
It's ultimately my biggest issue with it. The whole thing is just so grim it never is much fun to watch. The movie really went south after the suicide bombing in the Senate hearing (with Superman present!) That left a bad taste in my mouth that remained the whole movie. Like I can't believe I just typed that about a movie where Batman teams up with Superman at the end.
The movie had zero levity. Like goddamn make a movie where Superman and Batman team up into a huge bummer that leaves you drained and depressed as you leave the theater, fuck.
so
on a side note, at the end of the movie when snyder had fully eased me into this idea of psycho, sadistic cruel bats, bafflect brandished the bat-iron next to luthor's face
and i got super giddy and i kept going "yasss yasssssss DO IT BATS DO IT MAKE HIM SQUEAL"
and he didn't
i was disappointed
on a side note, at the end of the movie when snyder had fully eased me into this idea of psycho, sadistic cruel bats, bafflect brandished the bat-iron next to luthor's face
and i got super giddy and i kept going "yasss yasssssss DO IT BATS DO IT MAKE HIM SQUEAL"
and he didn't
i was disappointed
I watched it last night. Some thoughts:
1. First half of the movie is an incoherent mess. The movie editors must have hated the direction when putting it together.
2. Eisenberg's Luthor downright ruined the movie for me. It's not that he's a bad actor, it's that this was a ridiculous miscast.
3. Affleck is great a Batman, arguably the best Batman. The opposite to Eisenberg's Luthor when it comes to casting.
4. The trailers gave most of the movie away.
5. Gadot was great as WW.
I can't even decide whether I liked it or not. I so intensely hated Eisenberg's Luthor, lol.
1. First half of the movie is an incoherent mess. The movie editors must have hated the direction when putting it together.
2. Eisenberg's Luthor downright ruined the movie for me. It's not that he's a bad actor, it's that this was a ridiculous miscast.
3. Affleck is great a Batman, arguably the best Batman. The opposite to Eisenberg's Luthor when it comes to casting.
4. The trailers gave most of the movie away.
5. Gadot was great as WW.
I can't even decide whether I liked it or not. I so intensely hated Eisenberg's Luthor, lol.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The thing that gets me about this is the fact that after the last trailer where everybody said it gave everything away, execs released statements saying it didn't come anywhere near giving away everything.
Yet, here we are.
Yet, here we are.
Replied to a few points in the quote in bold. I mostly agree with the points I didn't comment on.
When did batman say he didn't want to form the justice league?
Pops Maellard
Member
Hahaha totally man, we all remember that scene in The Dark Knight Rises were Batman gleefully unloads his miniguns into a crowd of Bane's henchmen, amirite? I also loved the scene where Nolanbat takes out his branding iron and sears into the hockey mask wearing vigilantes in the parking garage to scare them.
This is nonsense. The two Donner Superman movies are still held up as the early gold standard of the genre. The TDK trilogy is more critically acclaimed than the vast majority of Marvel's movies. And there are plenty of Marvel films -- MCU and non-MCU -- with weak or poor critical receptions.
It's not an awful movie, but it's a bad movie with a lot of very obvious problems. There's no conspiracy out to get BvS or Snyder.
More_Badass
Member
Just got out. I'd give it a 7.5. Great action, Affleck was just so damn good as Batman, Wonder Woman was cool, I liked how the movie touched on the Man of Steel stuff and Superman's role. A fun enjoyable ride
But it definitely had flaws. Lex was just...ugh, no menace, no presence or intelligence, never felt like the kind of foe that could be Superman's nemesis in the future. Kevin Spacey was hamming it up in Returns, but at least he exuded a sense of power and ruthlessness and seemed imposing.
Also the Knightmare scene felt completely extraneous and wedged into the move like a jagged uncomfortable splinter. Bruce already had reason and drive enough to want to take on Clark; that whole sequence added nothing to that.
And while the Batmobile looked cool, the chase wasn't that exciting. The Tumbler and Batpod scenes from the Nolan movies were better crafted, felt more intense and like they had higher stakes
The Bruce flashback in the beginning felt really redundant when they just replayed the important bits again after the BvS fight
And while I don't care how Supes and Batman are portrayed, Ezra ain't muh Flash
I just can't see it after watching Grant for two seasons.
Weighing the two, I think I like Man of Steel a tad more. I think that movie (actually the middle-to-end from when Clark got to the shit to when he killed Zod) was better paced, felt more cohesive, and didn't drag as much as BvS
But overall, I enjoyed it and am really looking forward to seeing more Batfleck
But it definitely had flaws. Lex was just...ugh, no menace, no presence or intelligence, never felt like the kind of foe that could be Superman's nemesis in the future. Kevin Spacey was hamming it up in Returns, but at least he exuded a sense of power and ruthlessness and seemed imposing.
Also the Knightmare scene felt completely extraneous and wedged into the move like a jagged uncomfortable splinter. Bruce already had reason and drive enough to want to take on Clark; that whole sequence added nothing to that.
And while the Batmobile looked cool, the chase wasn't that exciting. The Tumbler and Batpod scenes from the Nolan movies were better crafted, felt more intense and like they had higher stakes
The Bruce flashback in the beginning felt really redundant when they just replayed the important bits again after the BvS fight
And while I don't care how Supes and Batman are portrayed, Ezra ain't muh Flash
I just can't see it after watching Grant for two seasons. Weighing the two, I think I like Man of Steel a tad more. I think that movie (actually the middle-to-end from when Clark got to the shit to when he killed Zod) was better paced, felt more cohesive, and didn't drag as much as BvS
But overall, I enjoyed it and am really looking forward to seeing more Batfleck
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