Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Was anyone else put off
by Lex Luthor’s urine became a plot point in the movie? Holly Hunter, did you even read that script before you signed on? You’re better than the scene where you stutter while looking at a jar full of Luthor’s piss.

Reminder that this movie had an Oscar winning writer
 
In regards to the cinematography and editing in the action scenes, does this fall into the "shake the camera and hope for the best" school of filmmaking or is there actual, thoughtful choreography and editing like Daredevil (Netflix), Mad Max: Fury Road, John Wick, etc...?
 
In regards to the cinematography and editing in the action scenes, does this fall into the "shake the camera and hope for the best" school of filmmaking or is there actual, thoughtful choreography and editing like Daredevil (Netflix), Mad Max: Fury Road, John Wick, etc...?

More of the former IMO. It just looks like a video game.
 
Saw the movie, was solid. In no way can it possibly considered the same tier as paul blart mall cop or worse than xmen origins wolverine. 30% is harsh as fuck for this movie. Easily better than Man of Steel. The problem with the movie is that its just a bunch of good individual scenes just kind of slapped together. Didn't flow well. But 30%? Fuck outta here.
 
Saw the movie, was solid. In no way can it possibly considered the same tier as paul blart mall cop or worse than xmen origins wolverine. 30% is harsh as fuck for this movie. Easily better than Man of Steel. The problem with the movie is that its just a bunch of good individual scenes just kind of slapped together. Didn't flow well. But 30%? Fuck outta here.

Would you accept 5/10? Because that's its actual rating on rotten tomatoes.
 
He has a point. If you cut BvS into 10 minute chunks and watched them a month apart, you probably wouldn't complain as much about disjointed storytelling. Clearly the issue is that your TPB habit has lead you to feeling entitled to experience a story in one sitting as a coherent whole.
Most comics are written and paced as if they were going to be in trades though
 
Saw the movie, was solid. In no way can it possibly considered the same tier as paul blart mall cop or worse than xmen origins wolverine. 30% is harsh as fuck for this movie. Easily better than Man of Steel. The problem with the movie is that its just a bunch of good individual scenes just kind of slapped together. Didn't flow well. But 30%? Fuck outta here.

That's why many critics don't think it is good.
 
In regards to the cinematography and editing in the action scenes, does this fall into the "shake the camera and hope for the best" school of filmmaking or is there actual, thoughtful choreography and editing like Daredevil (Netflix), Mad Max: Fury Road, John Wick, etc...?
Others have praised some of the action scenes, but I found most of them to be both staged and filmed very badly. There's a chase with the batmobile early on where it's never established where the vehicles are relative to one another, and it just cuts from showing one car or the other, but almost never in the same shot. It made the scene chaotic and difficult to follow. Lots of good individual shots are framed well and there's some good pyrotechnic displays and car/gadget designs. But the sequence is a mess.

The thug beatdown scene shown in the trailer was similar. On the one hand, it's the best sustained action sequence in the film. It's set in a mostly empty warehouse, in a couple of large, open rooms, but for some reason mostly shot up close so we can't tell who is where, when. It also used most of its good clear shots in that trailer with much of the remaining action filmed too close, camera shaking. Overall it's just fine, but in the hands of a competent director, the sequence could have been so much better. They basically had a fantastic approach to Batman's combat style, gave him a good set up, and then filmed it in a way that actually undercut how good the stuntwork was.
 
Others have praised some of the action scenes, but I found most of them to be both staged and filmed very badly. There's a chase with the batmobile early on where it's never established where the vehicles are relative to one another, and it just cuts from showing one car or the other, but almost never in the same shot. It made the scene chaotic and difficult to follow. Lots of good individual shots are framed well and there's some good pyrotechnic displays and car/gadget designs. But the sequence is a mess.

The thug beatdown scene shown in the trailer was similar. On the one hand, it's the best sustained action sequence in the film. It's set in a mostly empty warehouse, in a couple of large, open rooms, but for some reason mostly shot up close so we can't tell who is where, when. It also used most of its good clear shots in that trailer with much of the remaining action filmed too close, camera shaking. Overall it's just fine, but in the hands of a competent director, the sequence could have been so much better. They basically had a fantastic approach to Batman's combat style, gave him a good set up, and then filmed it in a way that actually undercut how good the stuntwork was.
I was okay with all the action scenes except for the last one which I thought was a HUGE mess.
 

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humorless, not fun.

Well fuck, seems like critics really don't want variety.

Nah, they just don't want boring. Plenty of superhero adaptations have done dark and serious very well (Nolan Batman, Daredevil).

When even the action scenes are boring, you know you fucked up.
 
Had some time to think of this, yesterday I went to both a showing of Allegiant and BvS.

Allegiant was the better experience :)
 
the lowest I'd go is a 6, highest I'd go is a 7.

Seeing that the 5 for BvS is an average, and not the gospel rating for the film handed down to mortals by Zeus and Vishnu, your 6-7 wouldn't really be an outlier on RT. Plently of critics gave it 3/5 or 3.5/5. Plenty gave it 2/5 or 2.5/5 as well.
 
The critics (and enough impressions here) have sealed it for me. I was leaning that way anyway because of my hatred of Snyder's Watchmen, but it's a done deal now. Not gonna see this in theaters. Instead I'm gonna read All-Star Superman this weekend, which for some reason I still haven't finished.
 
Seeing that the 5 for BvS is an average, and not the gospel rating for the film handed down to mortals by Zeus and Vishnu, your 6-7 wouldn't really be an outlier on RT. Plently of critics gave it 3/5 or 3.5/5. Plenty gave it 2/5 or 2.5/5 as well.

Cool. It's definitely not a masterpiece, but I enjoyed myself. It's above average to good. I certainly wouldn't give it a failing grade.

Man of Steel, on the other hand... 4/10 fuck that movie.
 
I was okay with all the action scenes except for the last one which I thought was a HUGE mess.

It was definately a huge mess, but I thought those two scenes were also problematic. On paper they were pretty straight forward - a car chase and a guy rampaging through a room filled with thugs. While serviceable overall I was constantly frustrated by the editing and staging. There's very seldom a clear shot with multiple elements working at once, but rather cuts back and forth from one to another. I found it made them chaotic and more difficult to follow. And also, despite all the money on screen, much less impressive visually as a result.
 
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