Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Can someone explain to me why Mercy Graves so willingly sacrificed herself? Or was she not in on the plan? Between her and Olsen, Snyder seemingly takes glee in unceremoniously killing off moderately to well known supporting characters.

I mean, it doesn't make sense either way. That's the thing.


EDIT: LOL. Someone asked, and answered the same question I was taking all day to write out.
 
Chase17 said:
So did Lex also have Knightmares?

Also can someone help clear up the flash scene for me. Is it supposed to be from the future or another world? Couldn't hear too well since the audience applauded when he showed up.
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Flash traveled from the future to warn batman about Lois Lane's involvement in Superman's heelturn (most likely from the Injustice storyline where her death causes him to DGAF and kill all who oppose him) Flash looks like he's been through some shit, long hair and scruffy, so things have not worked out for the better it seems. He tells Bruce he was right about Superman's capacity for evil, but with the caveat that Lois Lane is the main reason for it, hinting that it can all be prevented if she is kept safe to some degree.

Then he realizes that the Bruce he went to visit doesn't even know he exists, saying "Am I too soon? I'm too soon!" as in he traveled too far back in time.

All in all, it seems it was a one shot to get his message across. He couldn't reappear at a later time otherwise, he would have just vanished and appeared to Bruce after the team had formed.

Possibly, this means there is a risk that Evil Supes was onto him and may have him killed after trying to prevent his rise to power.

All this is just speculation, but its the best we got at the moment.
 
So people forget that there are two turns in this movie. Batman's turn is completely moronic, sure, but Superman's turn on batman is equally as moronic. His entire problem with batman is that he's an unhinged vigilante playing judge jury and executioner in gotham. Then, when Lex sets them up to fight, Superman is all "I was wrong about you!"

What? No you weren't. Batman is literally going to kill you for no real reason. He's played judge jury and executioner. You were completely right about him.
 
In the desert scene in the beginning, I legitimately thought I was about watch Bruce Wayne and Jason Todd in a flashback dealing with a bunch of terrorists.
 
Topher said:
Can someone explain to me why Mercy Graves so willingly sacrificed herself? Or was she not in on the plan? Between her and Olsen, Snyder seemingly takes glee in unceremoniously killing off moderately to well known supporting characters.

I mean, it doesn't make sense either way. That's the thing.


EDIT: LOL. Someone asked, and answered the same question I was taking all day to write out.
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She definitely looked surprised that Lex wasn't sitting with her and not in the room at all.

Edit; ah crap.
 
Topher said:
Can someone explain to me why Mercy Graves so willingly sacrificed herself? Or was she not in on the plan? Between her and Olsen (AND CLARK KENT), Snyder seemingly takes glee in unceremoniously killing off moderately to well known supporting characters.

I mean, it doesn't make sense either way. That's the thing.
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Snyder doesn't care about "character".
 
Orochinagis said:
Whats the point of Luthor killing his assistant
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Does no one here remember the fact that Luthor basically rebuilds Mercy as a killing machine? As in, a literal robot that has weapons meant to kill people?

Either this is building towards her reintroduction later on, or they are just having fun with her character since she was not essential to future plans (like the mercenaries killing Jimmy Olsen at the beginning of the film for being a CIA operative).
 
NoTacos said:
Flash traveled from the future to warn batman about Lois Lane's involvement in Superman's heelturn (most likely from the Injustice storyline where her death causes him to DGAF and kill all who oppose him) Flash looks like he's been through some shit, long hair and scruffy, so things have not worked out for the better it seems. He tells Bruce he was right about Superman's capacity for evil, but with the caveat that Lois Lane is the main reason for it, hinting that it can all be prevented if she is kept safe to some degree.

Then he realizes that the Bruce he went to visit doesn't even know he exists, saying "Am I too soon? I'm too soon!" as in he traveled too far back in time.

All in all, it seems it was a one shot to get his message across. He couldn't reappear at a later time otherwise, he would have just vanished and appeared to Bruce after the team had formed.

Possibly, this means Evil Supes was onto him and may have had him killed after learning about The Flash trying to prevent his rise to power.

All this is just speculation, but its the best we got at the moment.
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Ok, that clears things up. Thanks!
 
NoTacos said:
Does no one here remember the fact that Luthor basically rebuilds Mercy as a killing machine? As in, a literal robot that has weapons meant to kill people?

Either this is building towards her reintroduction later on, or they are just having fun with her character since she was not essential to future plans (like the mercenaries killing Jimmy Olsen at the beginning of the film for being a CIA operative).
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It's gonna be the latter, guaranteed

Snyder loves fucking with shit
 
Chase17 said:
Ok, that clears things up. Thanks!
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Unless people have read the comics or played the video game, I seriously don't expect people to make that connection. The people in the audience that clapped were probably a part of that group.

Also, here's hoping that the Flash movie is a take on the Flashpoint Paradox. If it is, expect to see some end of the world type shit go down between Atlantis and Themyscera. Lord willing.
 
NoTacos said:
Does no one here remember the fact that Luthor basically rebuilds Mercy as a killing machine? As in, a literal robot that has weapons meant to kill people?

Either this is building towards her reintroduction later on, or they are just having fun with her character since she was not essential to future plans (like the mercenaries killing Jimmy Olsen at the beginning of the film for being a CIA operative).
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Stil bullshit, she was helping him even to bring back the rock and moving the mercenaries then suddenly dies for no reason. is worse than the assistance death in Jurassic World
 
Henkka said:
Clark Kent wants to write about the Bat vigilante that's been around for 20 years, to save poor people or something. But he's on football instead. I thought that was really riveting.
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Clark has been Superman for a relatively short time and Batman has been fighting for 20 years to little or no effect.
It's why Perry says it's a non story and it's why Bruce says that criminals are like weeds. Batman is getting older, he's frustrated and his methods are getting more questionable, which is what brings Clark to wanting to write that story.
 
What did he mean by this? said:
The warning Flash gave is imo Lois being pregnant

Flash was "Too soon" because Bruce would think saving Martha was enough
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I am pretty sure Flash is refering the events of Injustice (where superman kill lois and his stillborn). His "too soon" is because the League havent been formed yet and batman is still angry and alone

jett said:
What was Flash wearing anyway. Looked liked robotic armor. Where the spandex at.
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You can see a red suit inside the armor but barely visible
 
Just came back from this and it was just 'eh'.

It could been so much better. Snyder has an eye for good visuals but he is not a good storyteller. Disappointed.
 
jett said:
What was Flash wearing anyway. Looked liked robotic armor. Where the spandex at.
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He had a robotic helmet on and what looks to be an armor plated suit. Depending on the timeline he's from, his suit has different variations. His injustice suit has more of an armored feel to it if I remember correctly.
 
NoTacos said:
Flash traveled from the future to warn batman about Lois Lane's involvement in Superman's heelturn (most likely from the Injustice storyline where her death causes him to DGAF and kill all who oppose him) Flash looks like he's been through some shit, long hair and scruffy, so things have not worked out for the better it seems. He tells Bruce he was right about Superman's capacity for evil, but with the caveat that Lois Lane is the main reason for it, hinting that it can all be prevented if she is kept safe to some degree.

Then he realizes that the Bruce he went to visit doesn't even know he exists, saying "Am I too soon? I'm too soon!" as in he traveled too far back in time.

All in all, it seems it was a one shot to get his message across. He couldn't reappear at a later time otherwise, he would have just vanished and appeared to Bruce after the team had formed.

Possibly, this means there is a risk that Evil Supes was onto him and may have him killed after trying to prevent his rise to power.

All this is just speculation, but its the best we got at the moment.
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I like what you said. Definitely agree.
 
My mind keeps going back to the scene where Batman has his boot on Superman's neck, ready to kill him. I really don't like the whole "Martha" thing.

I think it would've been better if, instead of Batman killing people throughout the movie, the audience is told that Batman doesn't kill period. But watching Superman and Zod destroy Metropolis, his tower, his employees, and seeing how dangerous and unstoppable a Kryptonian is, he decides to break his most important rule to protect the planet. Maybe have Bruce and Alfred debating if it would be right to kill Superman. I think Bruce's motivation is pretty good in the movie. Even if there's a 1% chance of Superman going bad, with how powerful he is, treat it as an absolute. And if this is an older Batman, hes seen good people go bad before, like Harvey.

Then we get to the scene where Batman won. He has Superman pinned under his boot, ready to stab him with the Kryptonite spear, but he just can't do it. Seeing Superman defeated, sweaty, and bloody, Batman sees him as a human and he just doesn't have the ability to kill him.

I don't know how they would work together after that point. But even in the movie it was dumb. Our moms have the same name so lets crack jokes at each other even though we were trying kill each other like 30 minutes ago.
 
Just saw it today. What a depressing piece of junk. So many plot holes in this movie I don't even know where to start.

Why isn't Lois allowed in the senate hearing and solodad obrian is allowed to conduct red carpet interviews?

Why doesn't anyone care about a crazy batman vigilante in a city that appears to be across the harbor from metropolis?

Why did superman allow that alien spaceship full of dangerous tech to remain in metropolis for anyone to salvage?

How in the hell is waynecorp a successful business if the guy running their accounts payable department is completely ignoring returned checks with death threats to Bruce scrawled on them?

Did they release this movie on Easter weekend so we'd all equate supermans foreshadowed resurrection with Jesus?

If doomsday absorbs energy and grows stronger, why doesn't superman just use his freezing breath on him?

Why show darkseids omega symbol in the dream sequence if you're not even going to show him as well?

Why does everyone accept that superman is dead after he's already come back to life once following a nuclear blast?

Why the hell did i support this ugly clusterfuck of a movie by paying ten bucks to see it?
 
I can't wait for a fan edit. Because I know someone will tone/edit out some of the music that keeps looping every 5 min and also take out the fucking unnecessary Bruce's parents flashbacks. Do that and it would be immensely better. Still loved it though. Just think those two things kept sticking to me throughout the whole movie.
 
Orochinagis said:
Whats the point of Luthor killing his assistant
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Well she did look like she was starving to death. To be serious though I don't even know. I usually like Mercy in her animated forms because she's usually an ass kicker so I was waiting for her to do something. Maybe if we're lucky she'll come back in her Young Justice form as a robot.
 
Final thoughts before I sleep and hopefully forget that BvS was a dud.

It's an irrational reaction to have with a movie, but I found myself getting annoyed at this movie's use of iconic comic book moments. Some of these are the most iconic moments in the comic book genre and the film just uses and discards them. Namely Batman fighting Superman, Doomsday and the Death of Superman.

Say what you want about Man of Steel but it felt like its own creative work, when you consider things like Krypton or the Smallville fight. BvS just uses do many comic book moments it feels undeserving of; this will be some people's first experience seeing the iconic imagery of the Death of Superman, and it in no way felt earned.
 
I like Batman, he's my favorite DC hero, but him absolutely dominating the fight to the point of being moments away from literally killing Superman was some bullshit

What made their fights in the comics so exciting, in Hush, in Luthor, in N52 Justice League, was the David versus Goliath dynamic. Batman is always on the back foot, either just barely slowing down and distracting Superman or being completely ineffective against him. That's why the Hush fight is so memorable IMO. That "Not him, not now" moment when he realizes Ivy has him under her control. The fact that it's less a fight and more of a Terminator-esque escape of disabling Superman long enough to gain some breathing room. Bruce being on the defensive for 99% of it and only "winning" by going the dirty mind-games route of putting Lois in danger.

Having Batman weaken Superman and then just beat the crap out of him totally missed what makes their battles actually interesting and exciting

But I will say, that one moment when Batman is pounding on Clark's face and the punches grow less effective with each blow was my favorite part of the fight. I think it was the only part that sold the God vs Man billing by showing how ineffective the armor really is against Superman
 
The Wise Old Man said:
Just saw it today. What a depressing piece of junk. So many plot holes in this movie I don't even know where to start.

Why isn't Lois allowed in the senate hearing and solodad obrian is allowed to conduct red carpet interviews?

Why doesn't anyone care about a crazy batman vigilante in a city that appears to be across the harbor from metropolis?

Why did superman allow that alien spaceship full of dangerous tech to remain in metropolis for anyone to salvage?

How in the hell is waynecorp a successful business if the guy running their accounts payable department is completely ignoring returned checks with death threats to Bruce scrawled on them?

Did they release this movie on Easter weekend so we'd all equate supermans foreshadowed resurrection with Jesus?

If doomsday absorbs energy and grows stronger, why doesn't superman just use his freezing breath on him?

Why show darkseids omega symbol in the dream sequence if you're not even going to show him as well?

Why does everyone accept that superman is dead after he's already come back to life once following a nuclear blast?

Why the hell did i support this ugly clusterfuck of a movie by paying ten bucks to see it?
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You should watch the movie again and pay attention to the movie cause a lot of the things you mentioned are clear. Plus, as far as we know this Superman doesn't have cold breath yet..has never used it before. This isn't a sequel to the Donner Superman.
 
Nowy said:
My mind keeps going back to the scene where Batman has his boot on Superman's neck, ready to kill him. I really don't like the whole "Martha" thing.

I think it would've been better if, instead of Batman killing people throughout the movie, the audience is told that Batman doesn't kill period. But watching Superman and Zod destroy Metropolis, his tower, his employees, and seeing how dangerous and unstoppable a Kryptonian is, he decides to break his most important rule to protect the planet. Maybe have Bruce and Alfred debating if it would be right to kill Superman. I think Bruce's motivation is pretty good in the movie. Even if there's a 1% chance of Superman going bad, with how powerful he is, treat it as an absolute. And if this is an older Batman, hes seen good people go bad before, like Harvey.

Then we get to the scene where Batman won. He has Superman pinned under his boot, ready to stab him with the Kryptonite spear, but he just can't do it. Seeing Superman defeated, sweaty, and bloody, Batman sees him as a human and he just doesn't have the ability to kill him.

I don't know how they would work together after that point. But even in the movie it was dumb. Our moms have the same name so lets crack jokes at each other even though we were trying kill each other like 30 minutes ago.
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Batman has gone on record in Justice League: Doom saying that his one weakness is the death of his parents. I guess the writers wanted to play on that fact, as insignificant as it may seem to us. Its the first time he has empathized with anyone in decades, and given the loose similarities between their situations, he was completely caught off guard. You guys have to remember, this isn't the Batman we know. This guy has been engaged in an underground war for 20 years and has grown cruel and reckless because of it, placing criminals in situations that potentially get them killed rather than trying to follow the "no kill" rule (which, lets be honest, has been broken indirectly or accidentally many times). Albeit, these deaths are usually a defensive response to fatal threat situations, but still they do occur.

To be honest, it caught me off guard because I didn't even make that connection before it happened.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
I laughed my ass off at the Aquaman scene. He will never be cool.
He looked like a damn merman.
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What do you mean, Aquaman is the coolest.

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Indigo_Plateau said:
Can someone explain the scene where Bruce dreams about Lois being the key.

Why did he have that dream and who was the figure talking to Bruce?
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I'll just quote this:

NoTacos said:
Flash traveled from the future to warn batman about Lois Lane's involvement in Superman's heelturn (most likely from the Injustice storyline where her death causes him to DGAF and kill all who oppose him) Flash looks like he's been through some shit, long hair and scruffy, so things have not worked out for the better it seems. He tells Bruce he was right about Superman's capacity for evil, but with the caveat that Lois Lane is the main reason for it, hinting that it can all be prevented if she is kept safe to some degree.

Then he realizes that the Bruce he went to visit doesn't even know he exists, saying "Am I too soon? I'm too soon!" as in he traveled too far back in time.

All in all, it seems it was a one shot to get his message across. He couldn't reappear at a later time otherwise, he would have just vanished and appeared to Bruce after the team had formed.

Possibly, this means there is a risk that Evil Supes was onto him and may have him killed after trying to prevent his rise to power.

All this is just speculation, but its the best we got at the moment.
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Krejlooc said:
So people forget that there are two turns in this movie. Batman's turn is completely moronic, sure, but Superman's turn on batman is equally as moronic. His entire problem with batman is that he's an unhinged vigilante playing judge jury and executioner in gotham. Then, when Lex sets them up to fight, Superman is all "I was wrong about you!"

What? No you weren't. Batman is literally going to kill you for no real reason. He's played judge jury and executioner. You were completely right about him.
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That and it makes no sense for Superman to not just subdue Lex and save his mom instead of fighting Batman.
 
More_Badass said:
I like Batman, he's my favorite DC hero, but him absolutely dominating the fight to the point of being moments away from literally killing Superman was some bullshit

What made their fights in the comics so exciting, in Hush, in Luthor, in N52 Justice League, was the David versus Goliath dynamic. Batman is always on the back foot, either just barely slowing down and distracting Superman or being completely ineffective against him. That's why the Hush fight is so memorable IMO. That "Not him, not now" moment when he realizes Ivy has him under her control. The fact that it's less a fight and more of a Terminator-esque escape of disabling Superman long enough to gain some breathing room. Bruce being on the defensive for 99% of it and only "winning" by going the dirty mind-games route of putting Lois in danger.

Having Batman weaken Superman and then just beat the crap out of him totally missed what makes their battles actually interesting and exciting

But I will say, that one moment when Batman is pounding on Clark's face and the punches grow less effective with each blow was my favorite part of the fight. I think it was the only part that sold the God vs Man billing by showing how ineffective the armor really is against Superman
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Synder and Co. only know how to punch their way out of a situation.

That scenario requires some thought or at the very least research.

It's like Synder did an image search on memorable BS moments and just put it in the movie without delving any deeper.
 
Why was there a dream within a dream?

Just got back from this and the movie was pretty terrible. Batfleck and Irons were great. Movie has no sense of focus and the scenes do not flow together at all.
 
i dont care if it doesnt really follow the source material that much, but batman not holding back and killing goons is so much more entertaining.
 
BlackGhost said:
It was weird watching. Everyone's saying the flash, which would make sense. But idk what was going on with the armor, I tried to convince myself it was cyborg or something in the theater
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It was Flash. I managed to see the lightning bolt in that mess of CGI. I'm assuming the "armor" he was wearing is what allowed him to travel through time. They are probably forgoing the Cosmic Treadmill for the films.
 
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