AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Yeah z the logos were the only part of it that I actively disliked. That was pure WB interference, in my opinion.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Yeah z the logos were the only part of it that I actively disliked. That was pure WB interference, in my opinion.
It's a plot device, yeah.
What you said in your earlier post was a misinterpretation of that scene, though.
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I wouldn't call it deus ex machina because the existence of Superman's mom didn't come out of nowhere. She was the whole reason he was there to begin with.
Is it so surprising that he'd try to explain to Batman the situation?
Oh god I forgot how stupid having the logos were. I must have mentally blocked it.
Doctor Decimate
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Superman's reign of destruction must be stopped
The thing is why the hell would he let people like Joker and others live?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Honestly, excellent question.
Right now, I'm assuming Collateral Damage Batman came about after Joker was already locked up in prison. So as of now, I'm assuming he's in jail.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Yeah I think it's just like critics and horn rimmed hipsters of the interwebs wanted to find a bottom to the super hero craze and decided to make this their rallying cry. It was good a bit too long but Wonder Woman alone makes it a good Jleague foundation.
The 90's and early aughts were ground zero for killing the super hero franchise and this was far from that.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Hmm I didn't feel like we lacked emotional range from Affleck, especially since he had the cave scenes looking at Justice League emails, talking to Alfred, banter with Gal Godot and the party in general, the scene with the kid at the start and so on. Cavil was quite stoic comparably. He did have some quieter moments with Lois and his Mum but probably less screen time outside of action scenes. People seem to hate on Eisenberg but he wasn't like most of the other actors in the film, very quirky and neurotic and having his own fun in various scenes.
It would depend on context. He wasn't executing criminals on the floor, he was being expedient which resulted in a couple of deaths in car accidents. He would usually have more time to plan things out and do it "clean" but the final fight was on a serious timer and this version of the character values saving the hostage more than not killing the people in his way. The final kill was a direct confrontation in a kill-or-someone-else-dies scenario. Usually the scenes in the comics / shows etc are written such that he's never put in situations where he can't find a way to do it non lethally without risking lives.
Schnozberry
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In a perfect world they wouldn't have had to cram this much universe building into one movie. It was an admirable attempt but I think the biggest problem is that a lot of people have gotten so used to Marvel's very Disney structured movies that this one just felt all wrong. It's like going from Lassie to A Clockwork Orange.
Coz that was the best place to dispose of it and hide it so hubby supes doesn't get killed?
Schnozberry
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That will probably be explored in future movies, but Joker has always been a funhouse mirror view of Batman's psychosis, so perhaps Batman keeps him alive because he knows death would be too good for him.
I don't watch movies period, let alone follow super hero movies enough to wish them death. Like I don't give half a shit about movies as a pastime, I honestly don't. I couldn't name 10 movies of the last 5 years. The only movies I really ever watch are the batman ones, just because I've been watching them in theaters since the 80's. I made a rare trip to theaters for this hoping to like it. But it really, really sucked.
But yeah totally framing everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of nerd with an axe to grind is a way better argument.
Guess I just disagree about Affleck. I thought he was fine as Bats but operated in a very narrow emotional range, alternating between mournful, angry and stoic. Which I attribute more to the script and direction than to his performance.
As a touch point, Bale's take on the character was to at least make him appear to be enjoying himself as a playboy. Affleck didn't muster that even when flirting with WW at the party, the only moment when he could have shown levity in this story, IMO.
I'm thinking this Batman may have been a bit pissed and fed up. His speech about doing this for 20 years and criminals sprouting like weeds made it seem like he was tired of doing what he was doing. Maybe he decided to let loose and fuck the no kill rule or whatever rule he had in order to achieve his goal.
Snyder made is seem like he wasn't out to kill these guys and instead they were just collateral damage (I don't see how that is).
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm also thinking he threw his 'no kill rule' out the window because of what he perceived the stakes to be. What's a few criminal henchman when the safety of the world is at stake?
Sibersk Esto
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He seemed to have no issue getting to Lex in jail. If Joker killing Robin is something that apparently happened it's weird he wouldn't go back to his cell and put him down.
Lol what is this
Well in this film he doesn't really execute anyone. The closest is the branding which was way overblown by people imo
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Wasn't directed at anyone in the thread in particular mostly social media amplifying the negative criticism to irrational levels; it became popular to hate on this film before anyone even saw it: Sad Ben Afleck reacting to poor reviews became a meme in less than 24 hours for crying out loud before anyone but the press even saw the film. That's the kind of interweb group think I was referring to and IMHO this film doesn't deserve the backlash.
Mr. PlayStation
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Second time viewing and I have a few questions:
What is Lex's pure motivation? Why is hell bent on killing Superman? Why does he want Batman dead? Why does he want to communicate to the 100,000 thousand worlds out there? Why does he want Darkseid to come after humans on Earth?
How can I answer this following question which is asked around:-
Why is Batman killing people in this movie? Why doesn't he do the same in the Sir Chris Nolan's adaptation of the iconic character?
-From my understanding so far, he has killed outright folks in the comics before, and he goes on a merciless path in the Sir Miller's TDKR animated movies.
Also the in the The Dark Knight trilogy, Batman actually does take out batmobiles in the batwing, but the scenes are never shown outright and thus people don't focus on that part ad assume he hasn't killed.
The other thing I am noticing with non-fans reaction or fans who became fans after just watching Sir Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy:
-Why isn't Batman using any intelligence
-Why is he just driven by his emotions
-Why is he killing people
People just went into this movie with the The Dark Knight trilogy batman in mind and have started bashing this interpretation of Batman, sigh. Having a hard time convincing folks around on why BVS
awn of Justice is pretty much an animated DC movie come to life, which makes it the best comic book scene per scene adaptation that we've seen yet.
What is Lex's pure motivation? Why is hell bent on killing Superman? Why does he want Batman dead? Why does he want to communicate to the 100,000 thousand worlds out there? Why does he want Darkseid to come after humans on Earth?
How can I answer this following question which is asked around:-
Why is Batman killing people in this movie? Why doesn't he do the same in the Sir Chris Nolan's adaptation of the iconic character?
-From my understanding so far, he has killed outright folks in the comics before, and he goes on a merciless path in the Sir Miller's TDKR animated movies.
Also the in the The Dark Knight trilogy, Batman actually does take out batmobiles in the batwing, but the scenes are never shown outright and thus people don't focus on that part ad assume he hasn't killed.
The other thing I am noticing with non-fans reaction or fans who became fans after just watching Sir Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy:
-Why isn't Batman using any intelligence
-Why is he just driven by his emotions
-Why is he killing people
People just went into this movie with the The Dark Knight trilogy batman in mind and have started bashing this interpretation of Batman, sigh. Having a hard time convincing folks around on why BVS
awn of Justice is pretty much an animated DC movie come to life, which makes it the best comic book scene per scene adaptation that we've seen yet.NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I'm assuming Suicide Squad will answer this question, since it takes place after BVS and Batman will have some part in it.
It wouldn't surprise me if that scene is a flashback to before Joker got locked up.
Mr. PlayStation
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Superman Doomsday. He kills Doomsday, but is also killed in the process. Luthor ends up cloning Supes and creates Bizarro. Correct me if I am wrong Superman fans of GAF!
Effigenius
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I dont think it was. We didnt see batman actually kill anyone one that I remember apart from the neck snapping in the dream sequence.
chaobreaker
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I don't have anything new to say about this film that wasn't already been said ITT but did anyone else get grossed out from that that bombing scene? I mean it was supposed to be this dramatic moment that turned the public against Superman but what did that lead to plotwise? Absolutely nothing. Batman was going to fight Superman anyway.
All those people died for what? A scene with Superman moping on a balcony? It just came off as being really unnecessary.
All those people died for what? A scene with Superman moping on a balcony? It just came off as being really unnecessary.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I assume he went mad from the revelation, but the film intentionally handicaps itself to generate mystery.
Can I once again just say how awesome WW theme is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk
Found it on youtube. The best time it played was when she joined the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk
Found it on youtube. The best time it played was when she joined the fight.
ThoseDeafMutes
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He wants Superman eliminated for the same up-front reason Batman does, because he wields too much power in comparison to the rest of the world. Whether this is out of a noble spirit or because Lex wants to be the most powerful man around is slightly ambiguous, but since it's Lex fucking Luthor, we can probably assume the latter.
As to why he sent out a signal, the answer is because of reasons. It's possible he has a specific scheme in mind, since we saw Apocalyptan tech in the Cyborg cameo, but we won't know unless they flesh that out in a future film.
numerous vehicles exploded into flames in horrific ways. No way anyone survived these
thequestion
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After hearing all the bad press that this film has received, I walked into the theatre with my buddies with a strong sense of dread. We were making fun of the film, before even seeing the finished product.
Once the movie began, however, we were all entranced by the what we were witnessing...
Batman v Superman is a good movie.
The narrative is not that disjointed as I was led to believe. The 'Man of Steel' shaky cam and subdued filter is gone. The colours pop when they should. The acting is good. Lex Luthor does Lex Luthor things. He manipulates, schemes, plans and plots, just like Lex Luthor should. His character provides us with a true villain threat. Wonder Woman, in movie that is already loaded with characters and story-lines, is woven into the story with grace as well, and is a welcome addition to the DC cinematic universe. They don't beat you over the head with another origin story for her, which I appreciated. There is a lot of material that is covered in this film, and it all works. Even Doomsday. The CG at first looked a little out of place...but even that worked out fine in the end. Also the sequence where Bruce is sleeping and we see... the possible future? I can understand how that sequence might of been confusing...but that was, really, the only part of the film, where the narrative felt 'off'. The movie had enough going on and this scene maybe should of been left as a teaser for after the end credits. What they show with the Parademons looked cool, though.)
Perhaps I'll find flaws in this film on a second viewing, but after my initial experience with the film, I have to say: It's a solid piece of entertainment. It doesn't have the levity and 'lightness' of the Marvel movies, but that's okay. There is some small moments of smile-inducing humour. (Some of the audience actually laughed out loud at some of the jokes. I didn't feel the humour warranted a laugh-out-loud-moment, but it did make me smile at parts.) The action is intense at times, although, it does take it's time to get to those moments By the time the end credits began to roll, my adrenaline was pumping, and I was craving more stories being told in this DC cinematic universe.
This is a different kind of superhero movie that now exists in world that is over saturated with superhero movies and it stands apart in a brave and bold direction. I hope this film does well, and that Warners decides to continue in this direction.
I'm desperately trying to figure out the flak and hate this movie is getting, and maybe there's something wrong with me, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie and appreciate what Zack Snyder was able to accomplish. It's the first movie of his I've liked, and hopefully won't be my last.
Once the movie began, however, we were all entranced by the what we were witnessing...
Batman v Superman is a good movie.
The narrative is not that disjointed as I was led to believe. The 'Man of Steel' shaky cam and subdued filter is gone. The colours pop when they should. The acting is good. Lex Luthor does Lex Luthor things. He manipulates, schemes, plans and plots, just like Lex Luthor should. His character provides us with a true villain threat. Wonder Woman, in movie that is already loaded with characters and story-lines, is woven into the story with grace as well, and is a welcome addition to the DC cinematic universe. They don't beat you over the head with another origin story for her, which I appreciated. There is a lot of material that is covered in this film, and it all works. Even Doomsday. The CG at first looked a little out of place...but even that worked out fine in the end. Also the sequence where Bruce is sleeping and we see... the possible future? I can understand how that sequence might of been confusing...but that was, really, the only part of the film, where the narrative felt 'off'. The movie had enough going on and this scene maybe should of been left as a teaser for after the end credits. What they show with the Parademons looked cool, though.)
Perhaps I'll find flaws in this film on a second viewing, but after my initial experience with the film, I have to say: It's a solid piece of entertainment. It doesn't have the levity and 'lightness' of the Marvel movies, but that's okay. There is some small moments of smile-inducing humour. (Some of the audience actually laughed out loud at some of the jokes. I didn't feel the humour warranted a laugh-out-loud-moment, but it did make me smile at parts.) The action is intense at times, although, it does take it's time to get to those moments By the time the end credits began to roll, my adrenaline was pumping, and I was craving more stories being told in this DC cinematic universe.
This is a different kind of superhero movie that now exists in world that is over saturated with superhero movies and it stands apart in a brave and bold direction. I hope this film does well, and that Warners decides to continue in this direction.
I'm desperately trying to figure out the flak and hate this movie is getting, and maybe there's something wrong with me, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie and appreciate what Zack Snyder was able to accomplish. It's the first movie of his I've liked, and hopefully won't be my last.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
That, plus the completely dropped SUPER ARMY BULLETS plot line infuriated me.
The guy with the flamethrower is 1000% dead.
Schnozberry
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I made the same conclusion. Based on how deranged he was in his prison cell, I'd say it's the best hunch to go on.
The Age of Ultron scene was almost completely random and confusing to me. I think I at least had fun watching some of the email trailers.
kidtamagotchi
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What? I totally related to Clark and Bruce in this movie. I mean, if you were being crapped on by the media, the public, and the government, would you be happy happy jokey jokey. I wouldn't. If you see an all powerful being who possibly has the ability to take over the world or even destroy it, would you be all quips and one liners. I wouldn't.
This movie was great. Didn't see any of the problems critics and some people complained of. The editing/pacing was very reminiscent of Batman Begins/The Dark Knight. The Knightmare scene didn't feel out of place at all. Batman, while being reckless as heck, redeems himself at the end. The last shot of the movie was great! Only thing I didn't like was how the Flash looked. Dang, I want to see this again!
I agree. WW was the best part of the movie. She was pure hype. So fun. She looked like she was really enjoying that fight. She reminded me of Hawkgirl from the JL cartoon, who was my favorite character.
ThoseDeafMutes
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We can only speculate since nothing was stated in the film.
Lex has gone balls-deep down the scheming rabit hole in DC fiction before, making deals with and stealing / reverse engineering tech from apocalypse in animated adaptations and such. Cyborg was made using tech from Apocalypse, so there has at minimum been something from that planet crash landed on Earth or brought to earth somehow. It may not even have been intentional, a side effect of him activating the ship and playing around with it, although it being a deliberate lex-plot is probably more likely.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Spot on it was really well done but slow to start which; on its face was nice in retrospect. I was worried it would be laugh out loud bad like green lantern based on the reviews and cycle of negative ignorance on social media and came away pleasantly surprised.
Effigenius
Member
Second time viewing and I have a few questions:
What is Lex's pure motivation? Why is hell bent on killing Superman? Why does he want Batman dead? Why does he want to communicate to the 100,000 thousand worlds out there? Why does he want Darkseid to come after humans on Earth?
How can I answer this following question which is asked around:-
Why is Batman killing people in this movie? Why doesn't he do the same in the Sir Chris Nolan's adaptation of the iconic character?
-From my understanding so far, he has killed outright folks in the comics before, and he goes on a merciless path in the Sir Miller's TDKR animated movies.
Also the in the The Dark Knight trilogy, Batman actually does take out batmobiles in the batwing, but the scenes are never shown outright and thus people don't focus on that part ad assume he hasn't killed.
The other thing I am noticing with non-fans reaction or fans who became fans after just watching Sir Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy:
-Why isn't Batman using any intelligence
-Why is he just driven by his emotions
-Why is he killing people
People just went into this movie with the The Dark Knight trilogy batman in mind and have started bashing this interpretation of Batman, sigh. Having a hard time convincing folks around on why BVS
He doesn't. He knows batman is sitting on a ton of kryptonite and he spent two years trying to make batman hate superman, so he thinks batman can kill him. If superman actually goes through with it, then he made him kill, which Lex would also be fine with.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I was most disturbed by the snuff porn-looking polaroids of Martha Kent. Snyder went a little too dark for that in my opinion.
chaobreaker
Member
Think about how long the movie took to show Luthor working behind the scenes to frame Superman but oh hey look all he needed to do was just blow up a bunch of innocent people. And his assistant too! Snyder really need to drive home how evil he was I mean I guess creating Doomsday wasn't enough.
Oh yeah that shit was really unnecessary too. The letters on her forehead (that are mysteriously missing when Batman rescues her) really sealed it in how evil Luthor is. Nice job, Snyder.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
He wouldn't have needed to create Doomsday if his other plans worked.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Same here. Found it stunning in both viewings. Loved the flash coming from the future vision sequence. Infact I found that to be well shot in stark contrast to the League cameos when Diana opens the email attachment plays those videos. Those felt off!
Sibersk Esto
Banned
AND IT DIDN'T AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. Just more reason for Batman to be mad, I guess? Superman looks sad on his balcony, goes to Antarctica where Pop Kent hallucination (NOT HOW THOSE THINGS WORK MOVIE) rips off the Silence of the Lambs speech, there's a scene where Superman's effigy is burned, but then he dies and gets a big overdramatic funeral, so what's the point?
FlashbladeGAF
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On your second viewing, make sure not to reach for popcorn when Bats goes to rescue Martha.
Pay close attention to the guys in trucks firing at him in the Batwing.
The camera doesn't cut when Batman dispatches his movie justice onto them.
Can someone explain Superman's powers in this to me? Does he not have super hearing or does he only use it selectively? Is it not as powerful or something? He got caught off guard way too much. He at least admitted to not paying attention in the explosion scene but I'm not at all convinced that he couldn't hear his own mother being kidnapped.
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