Insane Metal
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Looks so fucking boring. Didn't even finish the trailer.
Then again I never gave too much of a fuck about Supes.
Then again I never gave too much of a fuck about Supes.
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Trogdor1123
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Looks great. The second he leaned in and said "Ms. Lane" I was sold.
I hope it's great as it looks to be crazy busy from that trailer. I like how they are addressing the issue of a "Superman" and how his unilateral actions are complicated to say the least.
I hope it's great as it looks to be crazy busy from that trailer. I like how they are addressing the issue of a "Superman" and how his unilateral actions are complicated to say the least.
DeaDPo0L84
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Why do you have a 9yo in you? Much less bursting...
Sardaukarama
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Reizo Ryuu
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Every trailer for MoS goes hard as fuck, though my favourite is the "fate of your planet" one not sure if that was the final trailer because it was shorter than the third one.
Super Lemon Drop
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I am a Superman fan. I saw the trailer with Krypto and was immediately turned off. I do not like the casting of Superman at all. He seems so small in all of the trailers. It looks too cartoonish and I don't know that cinematic Superman should be treated that way; save it for an anime and make that for the mainstream and see what happens.
The first three Reeve films and also Man of Steel are not going to be topped for me anytime soon if this is the shit they're putting out. I am hesitant to watch this trailer since I have zero interest in this movie.
EDIT: So I watched it. It isn't bad or anything, it's just...Superman for 2025 and maybe that's why I can't hang with it. I want to enjoy the seemingly playful tone of it but for some reason I cannot. Perhaps that is just my salty jaded bones talking. And it seems narratively busy. Too many enemies are appearing and then threaded with the themes of self, family, love, righteousness, and then Supes getting beat down, and then the tedious misunderstood savior angle which infuriates me, I don't know that this movie has an identity or clear vision in mind. Did it suffer rewrites and such? I don't really follow Hollywood anymore since it started to suck years and years ago.
The first three Reeve films and also Man of Steel are not going to be topped for me anytime soon if this is the shit they're putting out. I am hesitant to watch this trailer since I have zero interest in this movie.
EDIT: So I watched it. It isn't bad or anything, it's just...Superman for 2025 and maybe that's why I can't hang with it. I want to enjoy the seemingly playful tone of it but for some reason I cannot. Perhaps that is just my salty jaded bones talking. And it seems narratively busy. Too many enemies are appearing and then threaded with the themes of self, family, love, righteousness, and then Supes getting beat down, and then the tedious misunderstood savior angle which infuriates me, I don't know that this movie has an identity or clear vision in mind. Did it suffer rewrites and such? I don't really follow Hollywood anymore since it started to suck years and years ago.
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KyoZz
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RUMOR: SUPERMAN Has A Comic-Inspired Episodic Structure; New Details On Post-SUPERGIRL Plans For Lobo
Possible new details about DC Studios' Superman have been revealed, suggesting the movie will boast an episodic structure similar to a beloved comic book. We also have an update on Jason Momoa's Lobo...
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Damn, that was a pretty good trailer.
Will definitely check this out in the cinemas.
Will definitely check this out in the cinemas.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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GulfCoastZilla
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Girlfriend? Are we living in a world where the youth doesn't even know who Lois Lane is? What a sad state of affairs.
AJUMP23
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I don't think they are married yet.
Punished Miku
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Gunn is an actual good director. That's a hell of a lot more than we usually get, so I'm looking forward to it. That's really all it comes down to.
Might see this in the summer and then Avatar 3. More than I usually go to the theater, that's for sure.
Might see this in the summer and then Avatar 3. More than I usually go to the theater, that's for sure.
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spookyfish
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Didn't do it for me. Don't think Lex has any gravitas -- and I like Nicholas Hoult. I don't like "Superman's" whiny voice. At all.
And the "pocket dimension" thing just sounds stupid prima facie.
And the "pocket dimension" thing just sounds stupid prima facie.
AJUMP23
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I agree he knows how to present and use characters. He proved it with GotG and while not everything has been perfect since then he built the modern marvel template with that movie. It will be interesting to see how he handles DC. I hope there is actual color and not blue grading like in the snyder stuff.
Punished Miku
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Yeah, it's clear he has a few very specific skills. 1) He gets along with actors in person and knows how to get a good performance from them on screen. 2) Casting choices are typically very good. It's not a small thing to discover Chris Pratt is the biggest leading man that everyone overlooked for a decade, or that Dave Bautista can actually act in the right role. His choice to do that led to billions made in other franchises recasting these people.
On top of that he's a writer so he's typically above average on dialogue, and is an actual good director as well. We'll see, but there's plenty of reason to have a little optimism about it. He does have his tropes as well, and has kind of been retreading the same style since Guardians so it would be nice to see more originality as well.
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touchfuzzy
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You know I'm pretty burnt out on comic book stuff and not a big Superman fan in general, but something about this is working for me. Like it has comic book cheesiness like a 90's CBM would, and some lightheartedness without the try-hard snarky Marvel humor/dialogue (in the trailer, at least). I'll give it a go, good way to get the kids out of the house for a bit in the summer too.
EverydayBeast
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Lex Luther looks young, in justice league he disposed of super heroes, of course with that talking ape. DC possesses a lot of heroes and villains that they never use, these characters like hawk girl, and green lantern need opportunities in big super hero movies. Chris Nolan understood this with the Dark Knight Batman series, you had tons of good actors and characters.
Richard Packer
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Jesus Christ. AI is learning fromLex Luther looks young, in justice league he disposed of super heroes, of course with that talking ape. DC possesses a lot of heroes and villains that they never use, these characters like hawk girl, and green lantern need opportunities in big super hero movies. Chris Nolan understood this with the Dark Knight Batman series, you had tons of good actors and characters.
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Sounds kind of like Guardians 3, which I felt was a better movie than 1 and 2.RUMOR: SUPERMAN Has A Comic-Inspired Episodic Structure; New Details On Post-SUPERGIRL Plans For Lobo
Possible new details about DC Studios' Superman have been revealed, suggesting the movie will boast an episodic structure similar to a beloved comic book. We also have an update on Jason Momoa's Lobo...comicbookmovie.com
Liopleurodon
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I collect VHS tapes
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Superhero movies are so boring
mcjmetroid
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I mean it doesn't look as grim dark and boring as man of steel
They do appear to want to use John Williams theme - I was really pissed man of steel didn't do this people didn't understand this at the time cause we were knee-deep in the grim dark era but it should be at the start of every superman movie.
They do appear to want to use John Williams theme - I was really pissed man of steel didn't do this people didn't understand this at the time cause we were knee-deep in the grim dark era but it should be at the start of every superman movie.
Dirk Benedict
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Looks dope AF, I am hoping it is better than what it is, though... maybe high hopes? We'll see..
March Climber
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I'm not even sure where they could have fit the theme. Even in the ending when he saved the world, the city behind him was decimated.
Putting the John Williams score with this image would be an insult.
There's a lot I could negatively say about Snyder's version of Superman including the fact that he only had just one good movie out of 3, but I don't want to bother criticizing something that has already been discussed to death. Plus, I liked Man of Steel for attempting to make a more grimdark/serious rendition of him who had to kill and let a few die to save the many.
There was potential there that was ultimately squandered, and for some reason people still really want a continuation of a universe that had a streak of bad movie after bad movie. I don't get it, but again, I won't bother criticizing why.
I don't expect this new one to be a 10 out of 10 and I don't know why anyone is hyping a comic book film up to be a 10. I just want a good movie with some passionate direction behind it, and being a fun movie in addition will be a bonus on top. If it can at least match Thunderbolts, which was a surprisingly good movie with great character moments, then that will put it far ahead of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Superman Returns.
KyoZz
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Yeah, there's also the fact that Man of Steel shits on all of Gunn's movies from thousands of meters away. And not only did Snyder not want to give in to nostalgia and use Williams' theme because it's too easy, but Zimmer created a masterpiece in its own right.I'm not even sure where they could have fit the theme. Even in the ending when he saved the world, the city behind him was decimated.
Putting the John Williams score with this image would be an insult.
There's a lot I could negatively say about Snyder's version of Superman including the fact that he only had just one good movie out of 3, but I don't want to bother criticizing something that has already been discussed to death. Plus, I liked Man of Steel for attempting to make a more grimdark/serious rendition of him who had to kill and let a few die to save the many.
There was potential there that was ultimately squandered, and for some reason people still really want a continuation of a universe that had a streak of bad movie after bad movie. I don't get it, but again, I won't bother criticizing why.
I don't expect this new one to be a 10 out of 10 and I don't know why anyone is hyping a comic book film up to be a 10. I just want a good movie with some passionate direction behind it, and being a fun movie in addition will be a bonus on top. If it can at least match Thunderbolts, which was a surprisingly good movie with great character moments, then that will put it far ahead of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Superman Returns.
See? Opinions....
Madflavor
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I like Man of Steel okay enough, but the script definitely has some real problems. It was a joyless movie, the dialogue was dry, and there was some good ideas that were badly executed.
KyoZz
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Every movie has problems, but I think its strengths far outweigh its flaws.
And there was joy, it's just not *in your face* as with every MCU movie. It's more subtle but it's there:
There plenty of beautiful moments too. It might not talk to you but it's just your perception.
Just the way Martha is torn between joy and pain when Clark tell's her he found his parents... She then explain he was struggling to breath at first (because he was still adapting to Earth atmosphere) and she was constantly at his side, worried for him...
Or just that wholesome scene "Can't I just keep pretending I'm your son?" and then "You ARE my son"
. It's beautiful, it's perfectly written and the cast is just chef's kiss.
Madflavor
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Every movie has problems, but I think its strengths far outweigh its flaws.
And there was joy, it's just not *in your face* as with every MCU movie. It's more subtle but it's there:
There plenty of beautiful moments too. It might not talk to you but it's just your perception.
Just the way Martha is torn between joy and pain when Clark tell's her he found his parents... She then explain he was struggling to breath at first (because he was still adapting to Earth atmosphere) and she was constantly at his side, worried for him...
Or just that wholesome scene "Can't I just keep pretending I'm your son?" and then "You ARE my son"
Relative to what the Superman character is, the "joy" in the film is very restrained, which thus leads to what I and many people believe to be a joyless film. And I can't look over his disregard for human safety. Yes he saves some people, but it's laughable the way he plows his enemies through occupied buildings. 10 years ago I made a lot of excuses for this film, but I've changed my mind over the years. Many of the things people complain about with Man of Steel are there and present in the film. It's an issue of execution. I remember when the film came out a lot of people were put off by it's darker and overtly serious tone, Superman's disregard for avoiding collateral damage, and the film's take on Pa Kent. It's a beautiful movie, with great casting, great action, and a great soundtrack. But it's story and characterization was very rough around the edges.
March Climber
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I know this post is bait to make me argue with you about Man of Steel, but you missed one critical part of my post:
Now, if you wanted to discuss the rest of the Snyderverse, we can, and if I were to make a comparison here, Man of Steel and the first Wonder Woman movie gave me the same promising future feeling I felt from Star Wars Episode 7 and Star Wars Rogue One. What happens afterwards for both franchises, squanders almost all of it.
Batman v Superman - Bad
Justice League - Mediocre
WW84 - Terrible
Episode 8 - Bad
Solo - Mediocre
Episode 9 - Terrible
Just like how you defend Man of Steel, I tend to defend Episode 7. Both are good setup movies that are poisoned by what comes after.
The funny thing is, even leaving the theater after both Batman v Superman and then after SW Episode 8, I had the exact same expression on my face after both movies: Confusion.
My date and my friends couldn't believe what we just witnessed and the conversation was a light "huh...so, uh, yea" as we quickly discussed what we would do next that day, which was us attempting to cope a little bit with what we just watched.
Madflavor
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I liked Man of Steel back in the day, and defended it. But nowadays I find it to be a frustrating film, because you can see what they were going for, and how they succeeded in some aspect. It's frustrating because we came very close to having a definitive Superman film, and arguable one of the best Superhero films ever made.
I think the movie seriously needed a couple more drafts, or a second writer to reign in some of Zack's worse tendencies.
I think the movie seriously needed a couple more drafts, or a second writer to reign in some of Zack's worse tendencies.
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KyoZz
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There is like a thousand different adapttion of what Superman is. Snyder did something new while keeping the core of the character. Again it might not click with you, but it's there
It's truly an inspiring movie IMO.
But that's just how you see it, the fact that many people loved it and keep asking for a MoS II tells you everything you need to know.
You mean like in the animated movies?
Why it's not a problem there but suddenly when this Superman is facing someone as strong as him with the only objective to kill as much people as he can, it's a problem? I guess just because it's animated it's a no issue? Same can be said about the MCU were civilian just magically disappear.
This is not true, even the soldier he saves from the helicopter, you can see that he makes a movement to cancel his momentum so as not to crush him with his speed. Here in Gunn's movie it's just magical, that girl he is protecting with his superspeed is just dead, or this women:
She's dead too. But just don't address it, make her magically ok I guess.
We can have different opinion it's fine. I just LOVE this movie, it represent so much for me.
Can't argue with that as I 100% agree (I would say BvS theatrical isn't bad just, meh) but:
BvS Ultimate is one of the best CBM ever made, it's up there with SM2 (that's just my opinion, again) with WB cutting some keys scenes.
JL is terrible, ZSJL is same as BvS Ultimate, a masterpiece imo. It's not perfect, I would cut some things but all in one I love it.
WW84 is terrible, there is nothing to salvage from this, but Snyder isn't involved in the film. He has a producer credit because he's the one who cast Gal Gadot and helped craft the character's world but that's it, no implication in WW84. WW1 on the other hand is a very good movie, and he was heavily involved in this one.
And btw, MoS II would have been what you ask, much more light hearted as it was always the trajectory Snyder wanted, and something Cavill said he would love to explore.
I agree for SW7, I left the theater thinking if they do this right it can be a solid trilogy. Unfortunately...
Blame Warner, not Snyder.
BvS got destroyed by WB and blogger, but I'll die on that hill: the Ultimate Cut is a Masterpiece.
kittoo
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To me Man of Steel is the definition of 'good ideas, bad execution'.
You can see what they were going for, and agree with the ideas, but can also see them just failing and flailing. Yeah, it's frustrating.
Doom85
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Or just that wholesome scene "Can't I just keep pretending I'm your son?" and then "You ARE my son"
That was adapting a scene from Superman: Secret Origin by Geoff Johns.
You don't have to read his whole run, but Geoff Johns' three arcs of Secret Origin, Brainiac, and Superman and the Legion of Superheroes are all solid stuff backed up Gary Frank delivering excellent artwork (aside from a few of Clark as a kid, he looks fine in the above, but a few other panels are weird-looking, almost like he's got his adult face as a child). The rest of Geoff Johns' run is okay but skippable, and IIRC Gary Frank doesn't do any of the art for that portion of the run.
I agree, it's a great scene in Man of Steel, I just could do without Jonathan criticizing Clark for saving CHILDREN of all people regardless of the context (some things are just the right thing to do always) and of course the poorly handled tornado scene. Kevin Costner is a great pick for Jonathan, and he has good scenes, it's just the scenes with flimsier writing bring it down regardless of his good performance.
In this trailer, Lois criticizing Clark for his "stopping a war" potentially causing even bigger issues by being a U.S. representative who just imposed his authority on two foreign forces and Clark rebuking that he was only representing himself and lives being saved are what matters, feels a far better handling of a situation where one could argue Superman shouldn't have intervened, and it's more on brand with the characters, as Jonathan and Martha Kent almost always value their son helping people no matter that, but Lois does her job as a reporter and asks the difficult questions no matter what, it's one of the reasons Clark loves her so much as she is fully honest with him and won't hesitate to question him if she feels he's making a mistake.
I will agree with you that I think Clark is overblamed for causing destruction in Man of Steel. His one massive reckless move was his first tackle of Zod, but his own mother was about to die so it's understandable especially as he's new to using his strength at full capacity. The military are the ones who cause more destruction to Smallville than Clark does. Meanwhile, Clark warns the people of Smallville to get to safety, and he saves a soldier's life, so those who claim he only cares about and saves Lois in the film are objectively wrong.
And for Metropolis, Perry took WAY too long to evacuate people after seeing the World Engine. By the time Superman and Zod fight, no one should have still been in any building intact by that point as surely a city wide evacuation was ordered as soon as possible when the World Engine began slaughtering people. So Superman and Zod smashing through buildings didn't bother me. If someone had stayed behind in the building or got stuck somehow, that's not on Superman, he can't possibly account for everyone to that insane degree. And he can't lead Zod or the others away, Faora flat out said they would kill a thousand for every one person Superman saved, so they weren't going to follow Superman if he tried to lead them out of the town or city. The fights had to happen where they were.
March Climber
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The thing is, I am simply looking at the end result of things instead of the behind-the-scenes of everything, because if we did that I could come up with what-if scenarios for Episode 8 and 9. There were definitely multiple stories about both movies, from actors and screenwriters on what could have been. I'm sure there is an "Abrams-cut" written for episode 8 out there somewhere.
The same way people are going to place Gunn responsible for his own universe is the same way people placed Snyder responsible for his universe, regardless of if he directed a specific movie or not. We have to both admit here, that Snyder's universe was ultimately a mess with good ideas. The idea that people are being told to wait for a re-do of a movie because the first edition didn't do a good enough job is similar to people saying 'this mediocre video game is worth it because it had two amazing DLCs'.
Personally, I also enjoyed the JL Snyder-Cut and it made me realize that Snyder might be better at making a high budget TV series than a longform movie, if he were to ever approach a comic book property again in the future. But at that point the damage for DC was already done.
Also, I can't bring myself to absolve all blame from Snyder. He makes good movies, he makes bad movies, and he makes mistakes. He did it with DC and then again afterwards when he had a streak of mediocre movies after he left WB. He's human, he's flawed, and because of that I never truly write him off since I know every once in a while he will deliver on something really cool.
Madflavor
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I too have a toddler who gets excited at anything on the TV.
Yes, and many other people too. You keep bringing up "opinions" but then you're trying to dismiss my issues with the film as just my opinion. The only people asking for Man of Steel 2 are Snyder fans. Everyone else in the world has moved on.
You're attempting a gotcha when you don't even know my opinions on his animated series and live action shows.
This is not true, even the soldier he saves from the helicopter, you can see that he makes a movement to cancel his momentum so as not to crush him with his speed. Here in Gunn's movie it's just magical, that girl he is protecting with his superspeed is just dead, or this women:
She's dead too. But just don't address it, make her magically ok I guess.
It's like it's some sort of comic book story.
KyoZz
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Already did!That was adapting a scene from Superman: Secret Origin by Geoff Johns.
You don't have to read his whole run
He's a father, afraid for his son. That's it, he just don't know how to handle this. And he say "maybe" which is not a "yes". Also "There's more at stake here than our lives and the lives of those around us, Clark.". I do agree it could have been better but it's still pretty okay for me.
For the tornado, he refused to let his son be revealed to the world at such a young age fearing that the government or other organizations would have taken him away. He wanted Clark to grow up as a normal human being, a man who knew the fate of ordinary people, a man who knew what it was like to experience loss, that not everyone could or wanted to be saved. This also taught him the meaning of sacrifice. It also helped show Clark the need for restraint. Yes, he can do almost anything with his powers, but life is more complicated than that. And in hindsight, you have to face the consequences.
The film even goes so far as to explain part of the reason:
"My father believed that if the world found out who I really was, it would reject me... out of fear. I let my father die because I trusted him. Because he was convinced that I had to wait. That the world wasn't ready."
It doesn't surpass the heart attack (really perfect in my opinion) but but I think it's still pretty good. And in BvS we have confirmation that yes, the world is not ready for a being like that. It's only when he sacrifices himself that people start to question themselves. Superman inspired all of humanity and all of this is explained in one image:
At the end, it's a conscious decision made by Jonathan and it's not a stroke of fate (the heart attack). Basically, it makes the Man of Steel what he is and what he will become, because when Clark finally becomes Superman he sacrifices himself for humanity to the point of giving his life and it was Jonathan who gave him the courage to do it.
Pa' Kent taught Clark his most defining lesson through his own death. Superman sacrifices his people and Krypton for us humans and will go so far as to make the ultimate choice of dying to try to save the Earth (and we can even add the magnificent "you, are my World" to Lois" which is a nice callback).
I think it's the easy way, like it's the plot that is made to be that way, not to confront Superman on hard issue. I'll have to wait and see the movie for a more in depth analysis but so far I'm not convinced.
Yep I agree with you for Perry, and the rest.
I'm not trying to dismiss what you think, just trying toi put perspective that's it.
So...? What do you think? And it was not a "gotcha", it's just to show you that's those kind of destruction has been there for years and years. But somehow it's a problem only when Snyder did it. For sure it's more impactfull in live action I agree with that, but that was the point.
The events in Metropolis IS supposed to be horrifying, it's used as a turning point for humanity and mark the World for a long time.
Nah that's too easy, acting like that you can do whatever the fuck you want without being consistent and just go "hey it's a CBM". There are rules you need to respect because if not you can't emphasize with what the characters are going trought.
Doom85
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Bad Boys ppHe's a father, afraid for his son. That's it, he just don't know how to handle this. And he say "maybe" which is not a "yes". Also "There's more at stake here than our lives and the lives of those around us, Clark.". I do agree it could have been better but it's still pretty okay for me.
For the tornado, he refused to let his son be revealed to the world at such a young age fearing that the government or other organizations would have taken him away. He wanted Clark to grow up as a normal human being, a man who knew the fate of ordinary people, a man who knew what it was like to experience loss, that not everyone could or wanted to be saved. This also taught him the meaning of sacrifice. It also helped show Clark the need for restraint. Yes, he can do almost anything with his powers, but life is more complicated than that. And in hindsight, you have to face the consequences.
The film even goes so far as to explain part of the reason:
"My father believed that if the world found out who I really was, it would reject me... out of fear. I let my father die because I trusted him. Because he was convinced that I had to wait. That the world wasn't ready."
It doesn't surpass the heart attack (really perfect in my opinion) but but I think it's still pretty good. And in BvS we have confirmation that yes, the world is not ready for a being like that. It's only when he sacrifices himself that people start to question themselves. Superman inspired all of humanity and all of this is explained in one image:
At the end, it's a conscious decision made by Jonathan and it's not a stroke of fate (the heart attack). Basically, it makes the Man of Steel what he is and what he will become, because when Clark finally becomes Superman he sacrifices himself for humanity to the point of giving his life and it was Jonathan who gave him the courage to do it.
Pa' Kent taught Clark his most defining lesson through his own death. Superman sacrifices his people and Krypton for us humans and will go so far as to make the ultimate choice of dying to try to save the Earth (and we can even add the magnificent "you, are my World" to Lois" which is a nice callback).
I think it's the easy way, like it's the plot that is made to be that way, not to confront Superman on hard issue. I'll have to wait and see the movie for a more in depth analysis but so far I'm not convinced.
Yep I agree with you for Perry, and the rest.
Yeah, the execution could have been better, like immediately begin with him saying Clark did good in saving the kids, but then going on to urging him to think about how to go about in a more cautious manner. Something like that, as opposed to focusing first on telling Clark to be careful. Like, in the Smallville TV series, they did make Jonathan tell Clark to be more careful with using his powers but they also put a lot of focus on him praising Clark in helping people.
I don't mind the concept of Jonathan dying in that manner, again it was the execution, like it didn't look like Clark wouldn't have been able to get to the side of the crowd or something like that and then speedrun to get his dad to safety in another spot. Then all people would be able to perceive with their eyes was Jonathan just "vanished" in thin air.
Though apparently the Snyder Cut addresses this? I've heard something about Flash discusses how using super speed when physically interacting with non-speedsters can endanger the latter if the speedster doesn't have good control over such use of their speed and such. Something like that. If true, that's cool that Snyder provided better clarification later on. I do intend to watch the Snyder Cut (and Wonder Woman '84, the other DCEU film I haven't seen. I know you don't like it, but I'll see how I feel once I see it) eventually, I just find the four hour commitment daunting, and no, I'm wired in a way I wouldn't like watching half the film in one day and the the second half the next day or such, for films it has to be one sitting, so I'll have to really lock in for that one.
We'll just agree to disagree on BvS specifically. For me, that movie's writing did not resonate with me at all, but Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jeremy Irons are well cast (Eisenberg, not so much), the fights are pretty cool, and the score* is great particularly the new Wonder Woman theme even though I preferred the MoS OST between the two overall.
*you did mention how they're using the Williams theme for Superman 2025, but I wouldn't be too worried about the original score of that film. I mean, John Murphy did, among some other great scores, the score for Sunshine (2007).
After all, it's the marketing team who decides what music is used in a trailer, not necessarily indicative of how often the music appears in the film if at all. I mean, Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers' trailer had the main theme of Requiem for a Dream which obviously did not actually appear in the Two Towers film itself.
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KyoZz
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I think you only place yourself from the point of view of a Clark who controls his powers except that the film shows us precisely that he does not yet completely control them (the heatvision for example which still make him suffer at 30 years old).
Snyder invites us on the contrary to put ourselves in the place of a father who is ready to risk everything to protect his son. The question is not whether he could have saved him, but why he did not do it. He chose to listen to his father, one last time, in whom he has total confidence. A father who is simply afraid of what can happen to his child. But yeah I can understand why it's not working for everyone, I would make the scene a bit differently.
And yes, in ZSJL (very small spoiler but still, if you want to go blind) you can literally see Flash's shoes getting torn as soon as he enter superspeed, and then being very careful with... well what's happening haha you'll see by yourself
Honestly, you can skip WW84. It messes with the canon and it's just bad. And I feel you for watching a movie in one setting, I'm the same and I think the pacing of ZSJL is pretty good, it never feels like it's dragging. Also Cyborg is the GOAT, I love his story it's so well done and his OST is so good.
Oh yeah I have full faith in Murphy to pull out a great score, I just think it's a bit too easy on the nostalgia to use the Williams theme. But the soundtrack is one of the things I'm most looking forward to from this movie haha.We'll just agree to disagree on BvS specifically. For me, that movie's writing did not resonate with me at all, but Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jeremy Irons are well cast (Eisenberg, not so much), the fights are pretty cool, and the score* is great particularly the new Wonder Woman theme even though I preferred the MoS OST between the two overall.
*you did mention how they're using the Williams theme for Superman 2025, but I wouldn't be too worried about the original score of that film. I mean, John Murphy did, among some other great scores, the score for Sunshine (2007).
I think Gunn confirmed it himself that they will use this theme? Might be wrong but I'm sure I read it somewhere.