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[Alienous]

This movie just proved why I don't like Superman. When you have a hero that's bullet proof, has laser eyes, can fly, can't really die as long as there is a sun, has super strength, and really one weakness that's easily circumvented, (and probably other things I can't think of) then there really isn't many places you can take the character or do with him.

Superman's weaknesses aren't just kryptonite; it's his love of people also. To write a good Superman story you'd have to write one based not on his powers but on his character; wanting to help, maybe being unable to,

 

[MechaX]

The absolute mental break in the movie for me (as well as the 4 friends I saw it with) was the Flash scene.

Like, it was so out of nowhere and completely disconnected from everything that all five of us were literally like "what in the FUCK?!"

After that, there was just no taking the movie seriously. Plus, it almost seemed as if the movie just lost all coherency afterwards. I am still not very sure why Superman had to beat up Batman to save his mom instead of finding a way to do it himself (especially since Lex doesn't even fucking know that Batman saved her until after Superman already shows up on his door step). Fuck, I'm not even sure why in the fuck Superman's opening plea was "help me or I'll kill you."

And Doomsday was just... oh man.

This movie was not the worst thing I have ever seen, but boy do I have absolutely 0 desire to see it again any time soon.

 

[DerZuhälter]

"DID LEX TALK TO YOU? DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT MARTHA?"
then skip to Batman reacting to Martha.

Bam problem solved. The problem was "I don't want to fight" repeated pretty much until he got pissy about the machine gun trap.

Why would he get pissy about that? Does an elephant get pissy about mosquitos? I swear to god this movie makes no fucking sense.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Why would he get pissy about that? Does an elephant get pissy about mosquitos? I swear to god this movie makes no fucking sense.

He does grab him and throw him after that trap so I figured it annoyed him.

 

[Glass Shark]

I still really liked the time traveling Flash thing because it was so bonkers and you don't see stuff that crazy in mainstream blockbuster movies. It was the one thing about this movie that surprised me and I have to give it some credit for that.

 

[Alienous]

I'm going to say it.

I think Goyer's script in MoS is a masterpiece compared to BvS.

The Smallville Battle in MoS is better than any action set piece in BvS.

Superman's first flight in MoS gave me more feels than the goddamn Trinity together in one shot in BvS.

MoS may have had some questionable editing during certain scenes, but at least it followed the Trey Parker rule and their not seemingly random, than this bullshit.

Faora was much more badass than WW in BvS

Zod was a better villain than both Lex and Doomsday combined by orders of magnitude.

Superman actually smiles MORE in MoS than in BvS

Lois Lane felt more like a character in MoS than the damsel-in-distress used to forward the garbage plot in BvS.

My point? Man of Steel is a better film than Batman vs Superman is just about every fucking way possible and it's an enormous step down.

Man of Steel is a cohesive story. Not a great one, but a cohesive story nonetheless.

Batman v Superman is a collection of iconic comic book moments interwoven with messy and confused writing. It isn't organic, it's doing whatever it takes to get from moment to moment, even when it doesn't make sense.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

He does grab him and throw him after that trap so I figured it annoyed him.

If Superman wanted Batman on his side all he had to do was not fight. Just stand there and take the punches while telling Bruce he was being played. Instead, he gets pissy and tries to act like a GOD.

 

[Bishop89]

I'm going to say it.

I think Goyer's script in MoS is a masterpiece compared to BvS.

The Smallville Battle in MoS is better than any action set piece in BvS.

Superman's first flight in MoS gave me more feels than the goddamn Trinity together in one shot in BvS.

MoS may have had some questionable editing during certain scenes, but at least it followed the Trey Parker rule and their not seemingly random, than this bullshit.

Faora was much more badass than WW in BvS

Zod was a better villain than both Lex and Doomsday combined by orders of magnitude.

Superman actually smiles MORE in MoS than in BvS

Lois Lane felt more like a character in MoS than the damsel-in-distress used to forward the garbage plot in BvS.

My point? Man of Steel is a better film than Batman vs Superman is just about every fucking way possible and it's an enormous step down.

Bvs has batfleck. He alone is better than mos

 

[Effigenius]

My nephew is 10 and wants to go see the movie. And his little sister is 6. He's asking me to take them to the movie tomorrow. I feel like an asshole wanting to tell them no.

This is your fault Snyder you fucking tool

I wouldnt take the 6 year old. Thats too young. Take them to zootopia instead.

 

[Alienous]

If Superman wanted Batman on his side all he had to do was not fight. Just stand there and take the punches while telling Bruce he was being played. Instead, he gets pissy and tries to act like a GOD.

"Bruce, I'm sorry about the car, but Lex Luthor has my mother. He's going to kill her if you don't help me. I'm not going to fight you"

or

*push him and fly him into a building*

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

rant

Dude... relax. Lol

This movie was pure awesomeness. Flawed. Yeah. But awesome.

Bring on the Batfleck sequels.

 

[Penguin]

Another thing that bothers me is that the whole fight could have been avoided if Superman had simple yelled ' LEX IS PLAYING US'.
I get that some people liked that fight ultimately, I didn't care for it in the trailers, and I didn't care for it in the movie. Even less so now considering what I mentioned above. In fact, now that I think about it, for me, the movie's flaws are in full display somewhere around that point.

Another Lex, ruins another Superman movie.

To be fair, the first thing Superman does is try to speak/reason with hge he can get is just trying to take any advantage he can get

Oh and can someone explain to me the whole cryptic messages to Bruce Wayne orchestrated by Lex? He said he wrote those messages to tip Batman over the edge to fight Superman, implying he's long known that Bruce is Batman. But, how were those messages supposed to push him against Superman? Who was Bruce supposed to think was sending him those messages? And, despite all this how was it that Lex didn't ensure those messages were delivered?

He makes it seem as though those messages were this great part of his overall grand plan that worked perfectly but Bruce never received any of those messages until the last one and only then did he ask to see the rest of them. Had he not been where he was at that time he would have likely never received or seen any of those messages.

I think the idea was more to just constantly stir up Bruce's personal anger at Superman and his growing sense of not accomplishing anything.


And think only the last one was really supposed to push him over the edge since Lex used one of Bruce's employees hurt in the event as a final pawn.

 

[TheSlySoul]

If Superman wanted Batman on his side all he had to do was not fight. Just stand there and take the punches while telling Bruce he was being played. Instead, he gets pissy and tries to act like a GOD.

Pretty much. Doubt Bruce would have used the gas grenades if Superman didn't fly off the handle. It seemed like a last resort deal.

 

[ghostwritingduck]

The same thing he did so Supes couldn't detect a bomb just in front of him capable of destroying a whole building, Lex has been analyzing Superman for more than 18 months, he was one step ahead on him all the time, even if this Lex was totally deplorable and unconvincing Lex Luthor is still one of the smartest (if not the most) man on the planet.



It was kind of stupid yeah. I will say that given it was protected by a "military grade encryption" that Dianna couldn't go trough, and that getting inside LEx House uninvited is probably impossible, YOu could say Lex doesn't care about security of his server room.



BEcause he wanted to stop his Brutality right there, Superman felt he saved those goons by stopping Batman.

Superman wasn't looking for a bomb in Congress. It's completely different.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Bvs has batfleck. He alone is better than mos

See, I don't get this. Is Ben Affleck a good actor? Yes. Does he look the part? Yes. Was Batfleck any good? No.

I'm one of those weird common folk who doesn't give two shits if a person "looks or sounds the part," I care if they are able to pull of a good performance and that the character is written well. This, in my opinion, Bale Batman is thus far the best film Batman to date. Batfleck was a stupid, angry asshole who routinely murdered and tortured people for no real reason other than to satisfy some insane gratification.

 

[Solid SOAP]

Dude... relax. Lol

This movie was pure awesomeness. Flawed. Yeah. But awesome.

Bring on the Batfleck sequels.

There's room for both negative and positive opinions. He didn't like it, you did. Not the end of the world.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

"Bruce, I'm sorry about the car, but Lex Luthor has my mother. He's going to kill her if you don't help me. I'm not going to fight you"

or

*push him and fly him into a building*

Or just open with:

"Luthor has my mother! Please, help me saver her."

*bonus points if you kneel down and beg*

 

[T'Zariah]

Superman wasn't looking for a bomb in Congress. It's completely different.

The fucking Capitol just blew up and yet everyone in the movie is like ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

"DID LEX TALK TO YOU? DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT MARTHA?"
then skip to Batman reacting to Martha.

Bam problem solved. The problem was "I don't want to fight" repeated pretty much until he got pissy about the machine gun trap.

Man, what the fuck? Since when do comic book nerds need a good excuse for a brawl?

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

Yeah, please put your keyboards down and go outside.

 

[TheSlySoul]

My nephew is 10 and wants to go see the movie. And his little sister is 6. He's asking me to take them to the movie tomorrow. I feel like an asshole wanting to tell them no.

This is your fault Snyder you fucking tool

Go take them to Zootopia, they will love it.
Be a WINNER.

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

I am not mad at all. Could have cut the fight and put all the effort for Doomsday. Doomsday fight went by way too quick.

 

[BronsonLee]

Clark was trying, then Bruce sprang his two traps. Clark figured he couldn't be reasoned with so he'd chuck him around a bit to make him copacetic. Then Bruce played his trump card and proceeded to beat that ass.

It was a bad situation turned even worse by the stances both took. That felt pretty natural.

 

[ArtHands]

And if Luthor wanted Batman to steal it all along, why did he hire truck loads of bazooka wielding bad guys to transport it?

Having those goons will make the act more convincing. It actually make sense.

 

[Atraveller]

I wouldnt take the 6 year old. Thats too young. Take them to zootopia instead.

If I hadn't agree with my friend to see this train wreck, I would have seen Zootopia for the fourth time.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Man, what the fuck? Since when do comic book nerds need a good excuse for a brawl?

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

Yeah, please put your keyboards down and go outside.

I'm not a comic nerd and I hated that fight in the Avengers, but at least it was downplayed as being fun. Nobody was trying to kill anyone during that stupid fight scene, they were just a bunch of egotists trying to show up each other. It also tied into the overall plot of the film of getting this team of unlikely allies together to fight against a common enemy.

 

[Glass Shark]

Man, what the fuck? Since when do comic book nerds need a good excuse for a brawl?

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

Yeah, please put your keyboards down and go outside.

No, you don't get to come in this thread and tell people their opinions aren't right and they should stop talking. If you want to discuss and debate the finer points of the film, please go ahead. But all you've done so far is say it's "pure awesomeness."

Don't try to silence others. Talk.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I'm not a comic nerd and I hated that fight in the Avengers, but at least it was downplayed as being fun. Nobody was trying to kill anyone during that stupid fight scene, they were just a bunch of egotists trying to show up each other. It also tied into the overall plot of the film of getting this team of unlikely allies together to fight against a common enemy.

The fight in the Avengers is there to establish power and personality dynamics.

 

[Frozenprince]

I still really liked the time traveling Flash thing because it was so bonkers and you don't see stuff that crazy in mainstream blockbuster movies. It was the one thing about this movie that surprised me and I have to give it some credit for that.

It was a moment you could only get in a comic book adaptation it was so utterly ridiculous.

 

[Firemind]

Clark was trying, then Bruce sprang his two traps. Clark figured he couldn't be reasoned with so he'd chuck him around a bit to make him copacetic. Then Bruce played his trump card and proceeded to beat that ass.

It was a bad situation turned even worse by the stances both took. That felt pretty natural.

No, man, Clark could have just reasoned with the person he's best buds with, like, you know, that famous graphic novel where he did the same thing. It totally worked then!

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Having those goons will make the act more convincing. It actually make sense.

Can I ask something, why were these goons so evil that Batman needed to kill them? From what Batman was able to so "amazingly" deduce was that Lex Luthor managed to find a mineral that could weaken or possibly kill Superman. Accordingly, he was either seeking to weaponize the mineral or keep it as a "silver bullet" in case Superman went rogue. At the moment he is planning on shipping the mineral to his research facility and has smartly decided to add security to ensure this one of a kind mineral was not lost. As is within his right.

Batman proceeds to burst in and kill these security contractors for doing their job so he can steal the mineral so he can weaponize and use it to kill Superman. Who the fuck is the villain of this film!?

No, man, Clark could have just reasoned with the person he's best buds with, like, you know, that famous graphic novel where he did the same thing. It totally worked then!

Why do you keep citing that god awful Miller comic as if it's the Bible as to how these two characters act? Miller fucking hates Superman and has a weird torture fetish with Batman. The entire fight in that comic is contrived all the hell.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

If Superman wanted Batman on his side all he had to do was not fight. Just stand there and take the punches while telling Bruce he was being played. Instead, he gets pissy and tries to act like a GOD.

Superman is raised by humans and has human emotion. Dude was annoyed by him. It's not executed the greatest but it's not difficult to understand why Superman would fight him.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Man, what the fuck? Since when do comic book nerds need a good excuse for a brawl?

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

Yeah, please put your keyboards down and go outside.

Are you actually defending BvS? Seriously?

The movie was like a 2 hour presentation of 2 girls 1 cup in VR with your hands strapped behind your back. Just shit getting blasted in your face. I'm not going to eat it. Nobody should. Or we'll get more of this in the future.

 

[chur]

What happens to Luthor? Does he get away or get thrown in jail?

 

[BronsonLee]

No, man, Clark could have just reasoned with the person he's best buds with, like, you know, that famous graphic novel where he did the same thing. It totally worked then!

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Talking It Out

 

[Caja 117]

Why was kryptonite in a statue head?

Why does Krypronian machinery contain Kryptonite in the first place?

I took it as a material the ship uses that is radioactive to Kriptonian race, kind of like Plutonium for Humans that could be found in Submarines, that wasn't a statue I presume, just a Ship part...now how did they knew this was important and what it contained inside, I'm not sure

 

[Solid SOAP]

Man, what the fuck? Since when do comic book nerds need a good excuse for a brawl?

Where was all this rage for the nonsensical bullshit that have been the Avengers movies? Oh?

Yeah, please put your keyboards down and go outside.

DC's entire premise of their cinematic universe entails that the world is darker and more grounded than Marvel's. All of that falls apart when the story goes in 100 different directions and the plot makes no sense.

 

[munchie64]

Clark was trying, then Bruce sprang his two traps. Clark figured he couldn't be reasoned with so he'd chuck him around a bit to make him copacetic. Then Bruce played his trump card and proceeded to beat that ass.

It was a bad situation turned even worse by the stances both took. That felt pretty natural.

Definitely agreed. The fight was one of my favourite parts in the movie.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I took it as a material the ship uses that is radioactive to Kriptonian race, kind of like Plutonium for Humans that could be found in Submarines, that wasn't a statue I presume, just a Ship part...now how did they knew this was important and what it contained inside, I'm not sure

It wasn't in the ship. They were terraforming Earth to be like Krypton so with that comes radioactive material like Kryptonite.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Clark was trying, then Bruce sprang his two traps. Clark figured he couldn't be reasoned with so he'd chuck him around a bit to make him copacetic. Then Bruce played his trump card and proceeded to beat that ass.

It was a bad situation turned even worse by the stances both took. That felt pretty natural.

I agree, mostly I felt Supes could have handled it better since he did almost get killed.
Supes was spacing out during most of the movie.

Not to say the fight was not good, it was well-done. Just pointless.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Superman is raised by humans and has human emotion. Dude was annoyed by him. It's not executed the greatest but it's not difficult to understand why Superman would fight him.

No, Superman is the very ideal of good. He's not just some dude with human emotions, he is the very perfect human. Him losing control is the exact thing that everyone, especially Lex Luthor has always feared. Superman would not lose control because Batman shot some bullets at him.

 

[……forgetit]

So most of my friends and family have seen it, we're I'm at 15 and 2, with 2 people likeing it and the rest disliking it.

 

[BronsonLee]

Definitely agreed. The fight was one of my favourite parts in the movie.

Someone would have to check, but I'm pretty sure that was the big sequence that was show in IMAX. Everything changes the second that Supes steps up to the plate.

I agree, mostly I felt Supes could have handled it better since he did almost get killed.
Supes was spacing out during most of the movie.

That's mostly because Supes is still super naive and didn't know what to do when faced with a clearly off his rocker Batman. And he DEFINITELY didn't know what to do when he couldn't just tank hits and got his haymaker blocked

 

[Subpar Spatula]

No, Superman is the very ideal of good. He's not just some dude with human emotions, he is the very perfect human. Him losing control is the exact thing that everyone, especially Lex Luthor has always feared. Superman would not lose control because Batman shot some bullets at him.

Superman has human emotions. He was raised in Earth. If you don't want to accept that and want to believe your rewrite of the scenario is better then go ahead, you may as well say, "WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN PUNCH DOOMSDAY INTO THE DESERT?!"

It's laughable.

 

[Solid SOAP]

Batman proceeds to burst in and kill these security contractors for doing their job so he can steal the mineral so he can weaponize and use it to kill Superman. Who the fuck is the villain of this movie!?

No idea. I really hated every character in this movie. "Dawn of Justice" my ass, there was no justice in the movie. The closest things to heroics in this world was the trinity trying to defeat Doomsday... however, the entire purpose of Doomsday was to defeat Superman. Knowing that, the world would literally be better without Superman.

 

[Firemind]

I agree, mostly I felt Supes could have handled it better since he did almost get killed.
Supes was spacing out during most of the movie.

Not to say the fight was not good, it was well-done. Just pointless.

"On Krypton, the S means jobbing."

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

Clark was trying, then Bruce sprang his two traps. Clark figured he couldn't be reasoned with so he'd chuck him around a bit to make him copacetic. Then Bruce played his trump card and proceeded to beat that ass.

It was a bad situation turned even worse by the stances both took. That felt pretty natural.

That's how I saw it too.

The Lex "fight promotion" was really undercooked though. Almost made the whole thing feel contrived.

I was pretty thrown off by how high the fever is between the two by how little the film explains.

Snyder isn't very good at verbal exposition, that's true.

Batman assumes Supes blew up the hearing, and sent him all those taunting letters. Not like he needed any more reason to hate Soup.

Has Batman been shadowing Lex all these months or just pursuing his vendetta against a God? Not clear either. Was he trying to pinpoint Supes identity? Iunno...

Why does Clark decides to do "reporter work" to dig up dirt on the Bat when you have super hearing and x ray vision and can fly??

A lot of things in this movie need tidying up. I hope the ultimate cut does the plot more justice.

 

[Caja 117]

Superman wasn't looking for a bomb in Congress. It's completely different.

Superman can detect this not just by vision, hearing as well (you know how he can pinpoint Lois in basically any part of the planet), Lex hid the bomb good enough for it to Superman to not take the simple hint, it wasn't about just Superman not looking.

 

[Atraveller]

I took it as a material the ship uses that is radioactive to Kriptonian race, kind of like Plutonium for Humans that could be found in Submarines, that wasn't a statue I presume, just a Ship part...now how did they knew this was important and what it contained inside, I'm not sure

Good point, now I'm picturing people trying everything they found on Zod's remain.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

I'm going to say it.

I think Goyer's script in MoS is a masterpiece compared to BvS.

The Smallville Battle in MoS is better than any action set piece in BvS.

Superman's first flight in MoS gave me more feels than the goddamn Trinity together in one shot in BvS.

MoS may have had some questionable editing during certain scenes, but at least it followed the Trey Parker rule and their not seemingly random, than this bullshit.

Faora was much more badass than WW in BvS

Zod was a better villain than both Lex and Doomsday combined by orders of magnitude.

Superman actually smiles MORE in MoS than in BvS

Lois Lane felt more like a character in MoS than the damsel-in-distress used to forward the garbage plot in BvS.

My point? Man of Steel is a better film than Batman vs Superman is just about every fucking way possible and it's an enormous step down.

I agree 100%. People like to shit on Goyer and idolize Terrio. I have no idea who wrote what in BvS but based on Man of Steel and the Dark Knight trilogy, I think the Goyer hate is insane.

 

[FunnyBunny]

How it should have ended:

Batman's machine gun trap uses razor sharp shards of kryptonite.

Roll credits.

 

[TheSlySoul]

That's mostly because Supes is still super naive and didn't know what to do when faced with a clearly off his rocker Batman. And he DEFINITELY didn't know what to do when he couldn't just tank hits and got his haymaker blocked

Yeah, which is why Zod did not bother me in MOS like it did everyone else. It was his first real threat and he had no clue how to deal. Was hoping he would be more experienced in this movie. Perhaps by Justice League time, we can get experienced hero Supes.

How it should have ended:

Batman's machine gun trap uses razor sharp shards of kryptonite.

Roll credits.

Oh man the "How It Should Have Ended" video for this movie will be great.