Obliterator
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No way Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse imo. I wouldn't even put it anywhere near those.
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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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No way Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse imo. I wouldn't even put it anywhere near those.
Batman Forever was not as bad. Not even close.
It had Batman courtroom scene too. This only had a Superman courtroom one.
Obliterator
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Ew. Can't say I agree at all
By using whatever radar which seems effective enough to find Lois whenever she's in problem? You do realise that the movie sets itself up for this kind of problem when they show repeatedly how Superman can hone in on Lois but for some reason he can't figure out when his mom is in danger. If she's as important as he made it to be, why can't she be a priority too?
In the end, he didn't even go through with Luthor's order anyway. He could have just choked Luthor and threaten the goons to kill him otherwise. I'm pretty sure Luthor would appreciate his own life more than killing someone else. Plus, in the end Batman still kind of endanger Martha via his haphazard action. I think the whole scenario would have been better if it was televised and Luthor threatened Supes to unleash D2 on the city unless he kills Batman. Since Supe was previously unable to protect people, the public pressure would double serve the motivation for the fight.
Mass destruction which would have been bigger if Zod and his friends were able to invade Earth. This is my problem with the whole premise. It's like everyone has lost their collective memory as to what would have happened if Supe didn't intervene against Zod's plan. Did they just blink and miss the giant spaceship up in the sky?
GitarooMan
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So is the general consensus is that it probably is Todd's suit in the case and that maybe Grayson still exists somewhere in this universe (as Nightwing maybe)? It would be cool to see him show up in the solo Batman movie.
Batman Forever gets a lot of shit from the revisionist modern comic films. It's not great, but has entertaining elements.
It also had Nicole Kidman draining the balls of every male viewer on screen.
MetalFearSolid
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So I watched the film, at first I thought that was Red Hood in the portal thing with Bruce Wayne.
Yes, many people here do. Not to mention if you are of important position and in danger of getting killed, why would you want to risk trusting stranger with something you're going to consume?
And this is a fucking dumbass response. Wanton disregard? How do you contain a massive spaceship in the sky like that? How do any human tackle any spaceship like that without collateral damage? So should he just let Zod invade the Earth then? Piss off sure. But wanting to kill him? Who's going to kill more invaders like Zod then?
Eh, I think Superman 3 and 4 are probs both better than this. This movie wishes it had the greatness of the junkyard fight from 3 and the moon fight from 4.
Obliterator
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I mean Ben Affleck by himself utterly destroys Batman Forever. I'm not gonna say BvS was a great movie but its a hell of a lot more interesting than Batman Forever or Batman and Robin
Darryl M R
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I thought the movie was alright. Yea Lex's son acted like the Joker but I enjoyed my time watching.
Well Gotham is supposed to be a trash bin and home to degenerates
I mean there was a cage in a basement of a rickety-ass house full of women likely to be used as sex-slaves. Gotham probably sucks hard...
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, Jason Todd's gonna be the Joker in this universe.
(I don't actually know this, but it sure as fuck seems likely, don't it?)
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Emotional IQ is a lot different than straight up intelligence. This is a man who dresses as a bat and beats bad guys into submission. He could easily be a detective without the batsuit,but he is damaged goods through and through.
Batman Forever is delightful cheese. Anyone who hates on it can't see past the silliness, but it is hilarious, goofy, and funny. Everything in this film screams, "sanction my buffoonery!"
And yes, peak Nicole Kidman.
parrotbeak
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I enjoyed the movie despite a few flaws that are expected in a superhero movie.
Senator Hunter should have taken a sip before realizing the jar said grandma's peach tea.
Senator Hunter should have taken a sip before realizing the jar said grandma's peach tea.
Lex knew how to hide Things from Superman, the goons were hired gun and Lex knew Supes weakness in Lois and his mon, Supe was not going to force luthor to anything in fear of Loosing her mom, in Batman you have someone that was good at finding things, now been that Said, in a real life situation with all the comotion that Batman caused Supes mom would had been killed, but this popcorn movie have this plot induced stupidity for tedshirts characters.
Zod went to earth because Superman was on Earth.
I still don't buy that Bruce would let him go due to this empathic moment. Superman is a guy he claims could destroy the world by himself, and for 2 arduous hours we see Bruce working towards this goal of murdering a guy who has been saving cats in trees and doing other hero shit for 2 years now purely based on the remotest possibility that this alien might turn bad.
There needed to be more setup for this moment to pay off. Another scene perhaps with a young Bruce and his parents conversing. Batman Begins did this beautifully and earned its shit. Batman V Superman did not and thus it fell flat to me.
I don't know enough about this Batman. He looked alright. That was about it for me.
I don't know what was duller, the characters or the visuals. I almost fell asleep.
Most likely. I have no idea how they would even do Red Hood since Batman kills in this universe.
Im out of here, this is getting absurd.
The third film is arguably better or on par. I mean, it's an actual tough call.
Fourth one is the only clear cut loser.
I felt there really needed to be a Batfleck movie before this that coincided with the events of MoS chronologically so we'd see a more traditional Batman characterization that grew increasingly paranoid before finally being pushed over the edge by Metropolis.
Um nope. Watch MoS again. Zod had all along intended to terraform Earth like he had with previous planets. He just asked Superman to surrender or else he blasted Earth as a ploy. That giant ship "World Engine" is a terra forming machine. The effect of the machine is actually seen at the beginning of BvS.
No it isnt.
Obliterator
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I think this would have been a hell of a lot smarter and would likely have made this a better movie had they done that
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
When was she in danger of being killed? I repeat, nobody in professional settings ever brings their own water to drink. This is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. She was in the capitol building or something similar in importance, why would she feel in danger from some up-to-that-point weird sociopath?
Your second response: you tell me. It was never my gripe witg MoS because I am a reasonable person who can analyze beyond my own feelings. Regardless of that, I have seen hundreds, if not thousands of posts griping on Superman's lack of action, foresight, or ability to avoid the destruction he caused or took part in while he saved the world. If people detached by the situation except through fanboyism, how much harder would it be for an emotionally damaged individual like Bruce Wayne from placing blame on Superman?
zod first message to earth was to surrender the Alien to them, the whole planet was under the knowlledge Superman was what atracted Zod.
MetalFearSolid
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Timeline prior to the events of MoS, and in line with Suicide Squad.
EDIT: I swear I saw something like this. That is why I thought it was Red Hood. He was going through some psychological stuff like the Arkham Knight game or something lol
Need to get my eyes checked.
It was bad, but had amusing moments. I can't say the same for this film. The only moment with any humor was a airline seating joke.
He did not have plans to terraform earth all along. Kal had the codex. Kal set off a beacon when he initiated the old scout ship. Zod set course for earth only after Kal set off the beacon and Zod learned of his whereabouts
Are you insane? You're saying nobody in professional settings ever brings their own water to drink when I see my boss and colleagues do it all the time? I've seen judges here also do it themselves too.
You mean trusting the same guy who want to use alien technology and weaponize it? Yeah, doesn't sound dangerous at all. Your logic is dumb as fuck.
So you're a reasonable nerd amongst us. Congrats? Except that Bruce didn't even have anyone important in that building. He actually cared so much about his employee that he didn't bother to set him up for better wheelchair or even give him some money. Instead, the guy end up getting bribes from Luthor. Yes, Bruce is unhinged but we didn't see reasonable reason for his mental deterioration when he couldn't give shits about his employee. So show us why he got to that point before ended up going mental.
He did that because he ran out of planets to terraform. Then he looks for Kal's whereabouts and found Earth. Either way, his original intention was looking for a new place to inhabit. Kal is just a side project.
EscoBlades
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Steady on there. 3 maybe, but not 4. That was ass tier.
That's where I'm at. I may give BvS the title of third worst Superman film, but it's goddam close.
I'm gonna be honest, that was one of the better scenes in the movie. The long shot with Bruce running into the smoke said a lot about his character without him even opening his mouth.
Forever is fun and so is Batman and Robin. I know people like to shit on them, but they are legitimately fun movies to watch.
Very good point.
Obliterator
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I thought the opening 10 minutes were astounding actually. That scene made you feel an actual sense of fear at the power that Superman possesses and shows what it would be like to witness these god like beings from a humans perspective. Snyder can make some incredible individual scenes. His problem is he can't make a fully constructed good film.
He's not a side project. He has the codex which literally contains Krypton's future. Terraforming earth was secondary to that, not the other way around
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Saw this last night. Here are some thoughts:
Bad/not so good:
- All of the dream/knightmare sequences weren't really necessary. They killed the flow of the movie, and a lot of people watching wouldn't be able to tell what's going on
- As said many times before, the movie could have been edited a lot better. There were a lot of really fast or weird cuts and some poor transitions
- I felt like the build-up to the BvS fight took too long, and audiences would have gotten bored or confused by the time it took place
- Man, they didn't give Clark/Superman a lot to work with in terms of interaction/dialogue. His lines were too short, and he had limited interaction with anybody else not named Lois Lane. Henry Cavil also had this weird constipated look for most of the movie
- Lex Luthor was not compelling at all. I usually feel like the best villains are the ones that make you root for them, or at the very least, make you very interested in their villainous scheme. Eisenberg's luthor didn't do either for me. It's also quite different from the calm/non-eccentric Luthor I've known.
- The fight scenes were good but I don't think they were as good as the ones in recent Marvel movies like Winter Soldier and Ultron. Probably because most fight scenes in those movies take place in bright or well-lit environments, whereas most of BvS' fight scenes take place in dark environments and there are times when you can't really see what's going on. I was also hoping to see more team-up/tag-team sequences in the fight scenes.
- Amy Adams is a pretty good actress, but I wish they didn't make Lois Lane a walking plot device.
- Felt like Superman took a lot of Ls in this movie (losing to Batman, getting nuked, being killed by Doomsday, always getting hit/tossed). He felt like a jobber, and rarely had any moment of bad-assery/triumph.
Okay/good:
- I'm not sure if the score is as good or better than Zimmer's work in the Batman trilogy or Man of Steel but it's still pretty good, together with Junkie XL's work
- Ben Affleck had the best on-screen presence (followed by Gal Gadot). The Batman fight scenes were well done as well, although yeah, it seems weird seeing Batman not having a no kill rule. Affleck also did some good acting as Bruce Wayne. You could feel and understand his weariness after almost 2 decades of being a vigilante, and his motivations for going up against Batman. Some great lines as well: "I'm much older now than my father ever was", "this may be the only thing I do that matters"
- I do feel like they gave Wonder Woman just enough screen time to make audiences very excited for the Wonder Woman movie. Wonder Woman's part in the Doomsday fight was pretty great too (sword, shield, lasso, etc.)
- I also liked Jeremy Irons as Alfred, and Diane Lane as Martha Kent (although she understandably had less screen time here than in MOS). Granted, the two are experienced and well-established actors at this point in they careers so most people would expect them to do well. Diane Lane/Martha Kent also had the best joke in the entire movie.
- Really liked how they teased other would-be members of the Justice league in the movie, especially the research/video files that Lex had and how Diana watched each one (although I really didn't like Flash appearing in Bruce's dream)
- I think the Batman vs. Superman fight is the best part of the movie (even if it took a long time to get to it).
- Not so sure why they killed off Superman/used the death of Superman storyline this early, but it's something we haven't seen before so it's okay.
Overall
Just an okay effort. It's mostly an okay movie with just some moments of being good. Not great but not terrible either. It is quite disappointing that they didn't knock it out of the park with this movie, especially considering DC's top trinity is in the damn thing. Meanwhile, other lesser known/revered characters like Deadpool has had a good and very well-received movie. Guardians of the Galaxy also had an excellent and high-grossing movie as well. If this movie makes less than both Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy, DC/Warner should really take a look at what went wrong and how they can fix and improve their cinematic efforts.
Bad/not so good:
- All of the dream/knightmare sequences weren't really necessary. They killed the flow of the movie, and a lot of people watching wouldn't be able to tell what's going on
- As said many times before, the movie could have been edited a lot better. There were a lot of really fast or weird cuts and some poor transitions
- I felt like the build-up to the BvS fight took too long, and audiences would have gotten bored or confused by the time it took place
- Man, they didn't give Clark/Superman a lot to work with in terms of interaction/dialogue. His lines were too short, and he had limited interaction with anybody else not named Lois Lane. Henry Cavil also had this weird constipated look for most of the movie
- Lex Luthor was not compelling at all. I usually feel like the best villains are the ones that make you root for them, or at the very least, make you very interested in their villainous scheme. Eisenberg's luthor didn't do either for me. It's also quite different from the calm/non-eccentric Luthor I've known.
- The fight scenes were good but I don't think they were as good as the ones in recent Marvel movies like Winter Soldier and Ultron. Probably because most fight scenes in those movies take place in bright or well-lit environments, whereas most of BvS' fight scenes take place in dark environments and there are times when you can't really see what's going on. I was also hoping to see more team-up/tag-team sequences in the fight scenes.
- Amy Adams is a pretty good actress, but I wish they didn't make Lois Lane a walking plot device.
- Felt like Superman took a lot of Ls in this movie (losing to Batman, getting nuked, being killed by Doomsday, always getting hit/tossed). He felt like a jobber, and rarely had any moment of bad-assery/triumph.
Okay/good:
- I'm not sure if the score is as good or better than Zimmer's work in the Batman trilogy or Man of Steel but it's still pretty good, together with Junkie XL's work
- Ben Affleck had the best on-screen presence (followed by Gal Gadot). The Batman fight scenes were well done as well, although yeah, it seems weird seeing Batman not having a no kill rule. Affleck also did some good acting as Bruce Wayne. You could feel and understand his weariness after almost 2 decades of being a vigilante, and his motivations for going up against Batman. Some great lines as well: "I'm much older now than my father ever was", "this may be the only thing I do that matters"
- I do feel like they gave Wonder Woman just enough screen time to make audiences very excited for the Wonder Woman movie. Wonder Woman's part in the Doomsday fight was pretty great too (sword, shield, lasso, etc.)
- I also liked Jeremy Irons as Alfred, and Diane Lane as Martha Kent (although she understandably had less screen time here than in MOS). Granted, the two are experienced and well-established actors at this point in they careers so most people would expect them to do well. Diane Lane/Martha Kent also had the best joke in the entire movie.
- Really liked how they teased other would-be members of the Justice league in the movie, especially the research/video files that Lex had and how Diana watched each one (although I really didn't like Flash appearing in Bruce's dream)
- I think the Batman vs. Superman fight is the best part of the movie (even if it took a long time to get to it).
- Not so sure why they killed off Superman/used the death of Superman storyline this early, but it's something we haven't seen before so it's okay.
Overall
Just an okay effort. It's mostly an okay movie with just some moments of being good. Not great but not terrible either. It is quite disappointing that they didn't knock it out of the park with this movie, especially considering DC's top trinity is in the damn thing. Meanwhile, other lesser known/revered characters like Deadpool has had a good and very well-received movie. Guardians of the Galaxy also had an excellent and high-grossing movie as well. If this movie makes less than both Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy, DC/Warner should really take a look at what went wrong and how they can fix and improve their cinematic efforts.
Even the scene after that in Africa was riveting.
Then the film starts heading rapidly downhill. As it goes on it becomes more and more like a movie trailer; scenes with very little connection to one another. And if that wasn't bad enough I felt like I had seen most of the cool scenes already in trailers.
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