I dont remember Zod saying he terraformed any other planet before trying earth.
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I dont remember Zod saying he terraformed any other planet before trying earth.
Badlucktroll
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A friend was confused and asked me, is this supposed to be the same Batman as Bale, or Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney?
Different Batman.
Solid SOAP
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None, a new Batman
However, he's written in a way that I believe makes it possible to insert him into whatever timeline you want. Not saying that was their intention or is a fact, but that's how I saw it.
This is a prequel to the Adam West Batman.
thecouncil
Banned
Why was Wayne Manor burned down?
Good Question.
I mean Bruce knows that Superman wasn't the cause of that explosion, but the dream, plus seeing that people will commit horrible violence against one another because of Superman... I think it all kinda built up together.
Was it?
I just took it that it decayed over time as Bruce Wayne decided not to live in it.
I really want to watch the Wayne's and Metropolis's opening scenes again. This movie is a mess, but those scenes were riveting. Watching the plane crash into the world engine and the resulting shockwave was terrifying.
"The World is Introduced to The Superman". Chills.
But uh, not sure I want to give this movie any more of my money.
I really thought those were beautiful scenes. I was so ready to eat crow after jumping on the negativity bandwagon early. Even things that would usually be goofy, like a young Bruce Wayne being lifted by bats in the opening credits dream sequence, was mildly chill inducing (especially with the operatic music). And the frantic nature of Bruce Wayne driving through a crumbling Metropolis - damn, that was good.
It felt like an extract from a better film.
SolidChamp
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GitarooMan
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I saw it as just another hint as to the shit Batman had gone through over the years that has changed him.
Zack Snyder spent the night.
Jesus the opening was good. I could have cried if I let myself.
It's one of those things that audiences seem to close their eyes to maybe because Superman is Kryptonian. But Kryptonians have always been colonizing other world. Zod has been looking for worlds that have been colonized by Kryptonians but found most of them destroyed. They go to Earth because of the scout ship sent there sent a signal. Zod didn't bring the terraforming machine with him for nothing.
They could have used that as a reason why the world doesn't trust Superman but instead they go with the wanton destruction as the reason.
I felt the intro was set in stone and dealt with so they didnt need to fiddle with it and the rest of the movie was just cobbled together from the delays and the rewrites.
Obliterator
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If they could have matched the quality of the opening it could have been one of the greatest hero movies ever. Unfortunately most of the film never comes close to that again, even though I didn't hate the movie.
Imagine these two scenes were the opening to a dedicated Batman solo film. Directed by Affleck. But nope, just a couple of foot notes in tangled mess of story threads attempting to be told in this one movie.
thecouncil
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Why did Batman expect Superman to show up when he turned on the bat signal? He waited for about a half hour until Luthor told Superman to go over there. I guess he would've waited forever, staring at the sky?
It seems like no one liked Eisenberg as Lex. I actually think he was fine at the start of the film. Thinks highly of himself with signs of being a bit unhinged. It looked like he had to force himself to fit in with the rest of society "I play basketball with my employees because I'm just that real!" Gives a speech and is awkward as can be.
Then he just fell down a path of becoming more and more unhinged at his first attempt at taking down Superman. Eisenberg has the ability to play a cold and calculated character that wants to benefit himself and believes what he is doing is justified. Instead that was flushed down the drain and no one cared about Lex. At the end he looked like some dude that belonged in Arkham signing about aliens at night.
I would have been fine with Lex being able to pull this off behind the scenes. Never gets caught this early.
Then he just fell down a path of becoming more and more unhinged at his first attempt at taking down Superman. Eisenberg has the ability to play a cold and calculated character that wants to benefit himself and believes what he is doing is justified. Instead that was flushed down the drain and no one cared about Lex. At the end he looked like some dude that belonged in Arkham signing about aliens at night.
I would have been fine with Lex being able to pull this off behind the scenes. Never gets caught this early.
What happened during the chase scene. Superman told him to hang up the cape or else. The signal is him throwing down the gauntlet.
He thought Superman cared.
"Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it"
But Superman was going to let him stand in the rain like a fool.
Obliterator
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This right here is what should have happened. Absolutely
I don't believe you.
I imagine he was probably on his way there, which is why he was so close by when Lex threw Lois off the tower
thecouncil
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THE BELLS HAVE BEEN RUNG!
I liked this depiction of Lex and Eisenberg nailed it, though I never liked real estate scam Luthor.
Superman showed up because he was told, but Batman probably thought he would show up to put him in his place again.
It was a "I'm breaking your rules, what are you going to do about it, Superman" thing.
Maybe Lex wanted to create his own version of Justice League with the metahumans - thats why he had them on file trying to recruit them. He would get all the applause for saving the day.
Uh, Lex told him that unless he fought Batman, he would give the signal to kill Martha. Else his minions would kill martha after 30ish mins unless Lex got proof that Superman killed Batman, AKA give me his head.
thecouncil
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But Batman doesn't usually light the signal. Even if Batman thought Superman would show up, how long was he going to wait?
No, why did Batman think Superman would show up? How did Batman know he would? Did he talk to Lex before and Lex said he would send Superman over?
Lex threatened him to go and kill bats to save Martha.
Obliterator
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God I loved the movie...
I read critics from moviegoers, GAF, press and I read the flaws
But damn, it was so good ! It wasn't that much humorless, there are few sentences there and there which are very pleasant. That was enough for the tone of the movie.
I didn't find it too dark, of course it's not as light as Marvel Studios movies but it wasn't that dark, the tone was good.
All the characters was pretty good even Lois Lane, I don't get the complaints against her role "which is there to make the story go ahead" ... IMO she's a reporter, so yes she investigates, she wants to find the truth about what happened in Africa and then, know why has prepared this plot against Superman.
By the way, the only bad "thing" I find, was the battle against Doomsday and especially Superman and WW against him, it was illegible (in Man of Steel, battle between Supes and Zod was great and very legible)
8/10
(Avengers, Captain 2, Spiderman 2, GotG were 8/10)
(TDK was 9, Rises was 7, Man of Steel was 6, ASM2 was 4.5)
I read critics from moviegoers, GAF, press and I read the flaws
But damn, it was so good ! It wasn't that much humorless, there are few sentences there and there which are very pleasant. That was enough for the tone of the movie.
I didn't find it too dark, of course it's not as light as Marvel Studios movies but it wasn't that dark, the tone was good.
All the characters was pretty good even Lois Lane, I don't get the complaints against her role "which is there to make the story go ahead" ... IMO she's a reporter, so yes she investigates, she wants to find the truth about what happened in Africa and then, know why has prepared this plot against Superman.
By the way, the only bad "thing" I find, was the battle against Doomsday and especially Superman and WW against him, it was illegible (in Man of Steel, battle between Supes and Zod was great and very legible)
8/10
(Avengers, Captain 2, Spiderman 2, GotG were 8/10)
(TDK was 9, Rises was 7, Man of Steel was 6, ASM2 was 4.5)
What if shoving Lois off a building didn't snap Clark out of mind control? Comic books, man, how do they work?
You are changing what you said, You said Zod run out of planet to terraform, not that he found all the Scouts destroyed/abandoned, your setence in bold is basically agree with what I said initially:
Zod went to Earth because of Superman, Superman activated the beacon.
because he lighted the signal, which supes threatened him not to do or else he'll show up.
Until Bruce starts floating. I can't forgive how dumb that was. You have this fantastic sequence that could have ended 30 seconds early and been perfect. And you instead have Bruce literally floating out of the cave as bats carry him. God fucking damnit.
thecouncil
Banned
Batman doesn't light the signal for himself. The signal is lit by someone, Batman shows up. Superman told Batman not to show up next time it was lit. Did Batman think Superman would waste time spying on whether or not he did?
As it was, Batman waited for a long time, staring at the sky.
I see a lot of parallels between this reboot of Batman and The Incredible Hulk. Marvel knew nobody wanted to see Banner get hit with gamma radiation again when Ang Lee's Hullk was so fresh in everyone's mind. So, what did they do? They it made a part of the opening credits similar to what was done in this movie and it completely worked. It would've worked even better if it were used to signify the beginning of a new Batman trilogy.
EscoBlades
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I was hoping the floating would then lead to a shot of the funeral goers lifting him out of the hole with a winch or something.
But nope...actual floating.
Wow, this was pretty bad. Still thinking about it. Marvel put WB in a bad spot. I guess this is what happens when you have to try to play catch up. I did love how brutal batman was. But walking out the movie I was left so dissatisfied and underwhelmed plus disappointed. They really dropped the ball.
Gotta have that shit grounded like my comic books.
batman can light the signal if he wants. Just cause he doesnt usually light it, doesn't mean he cant do it himself.
Gotham / Metropolis are right next to each other, Supes could easily see it.
They just literally did not need to show that! Like just cut 30 seconds prior, and that intro plays perfectly.
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