Laughing Banana
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Do you make a habit of making increasingly escalating, unnecessarily exaggerating grandiose claims to support your argument?
Such a weird response to the point he's trying to make.
Dave Chappelle getting backlash for jokes about Caitlyn Jenner
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Do you make a habit of making increasingly escalating, unnecessarily exaggerating grandiose claims to support your argument?
Such a weird response to the point he's trying to make.
BobbyRobby
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In the instant it happened, it would be funny. I don't stop deliberate and make an informed decision on whether or not to laugh.
Once it happened, I'd help the guy if needed, and my feelings would change based on the gravity of the situation.
Blueboys1306
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Maybe you're reading too much into a joke? Regardless of whether you find it funny or not, it's a joke. Why do people get so easily offended at every little thing nowadays?
partyphone
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when the point is nonsense, yes.
so like he said, why are you saying certain things are flatout not funny? if you're gonna practice relativism, you might as well practice it morally, too.
I knew what he was saying, I just thought it was odd coming from a person that said these two things aren't funny, if you laugh at these things you're an asshole.
billy beane
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Farts are not funny, they are gross.
partyphone
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this has been answered a lot in this thread already. transphobia punches down at a severely oppressed minority who are struggling for legitimacy. laughing at them for existing is disgusting.
and yes, that is just my opinion and i'm sure there are people who will find it funny. but it's not funny and they're just callous assholes.
SolidSnakex
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billy beane
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I stand corrected.
Inversely if comedy creates or reinforces a problem in society it can be a problem, as I do imagine most of us consciously or not see something being made fun of as "bad" often. Maybe we get overly paranoid or self conscious about our behavior, or it's something like being trans that we see the stigma to and either a mentality is cultivated to resent them, or those of us who are trans become too scared to come out or even explore the topic. It's case-by-case, but I do feel transgender is in a particularly bad spot that it's really not a good subject to crack jokes about.
we've had gay, black, mexican, jew, native american, etc. jokes for years. if it's funny, it's funny. it's part of the absurdity of life. you're not laughing at them for existing, you're living about the way culture is treating them, how culture has raised you and others for a comedian to joke about that.
you can not laugh at a transphobic joke and still be a piece of shit to them in real life and vice versa. a fucking joke doesn't determine who you are as a person. that's pretentious as fuck. i can understand not personally liking them and there is a line comedians can cross where things go from humor to hateful, but don't call people assholes because they're not as sensitive as you are to jokes.
Keep it real, standup comedy isn't that influential right now. We just came out of several publications and people applauding for her transition. Standup comedy isn't going to turn that around. You have transgender people getting more roles and recognition leading to more acceptance. You guys haven't been the first marginalized group to have a comedian make a joke about you. There are way worse things to worry about than a comedian making a joke when it comes to creating problems.
Humor has bridged gaps before.
Demanufacture
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He said trans people are living a fantasy and wonders how much he has top play along. That's crossing the line into straight up bigotry.
queequegs__coffin
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Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? ― Diogenes of Sinope
Scientist Supreme!
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You guys aren't smart or making a good point when you bring up these quotes. You get that, right?
A Link to the Past
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Seriously. Googling shit is easy, and throwing out quotes without context or insight is even easier.
The thing is Chapelle is not entitled to be thought of as funny.
If his jokes are found to be hurtful instead of funny, then he failed as a comedian.
This is a stupid and meaningless phrase.
Making jokes about people is one of the main ways in which a culture treats people.
This whole "it is about how culture is treating them" is a dumb way of skipping that jokes are part of culture; if a certain part of a society is an easy target of jokes, that should tell you something about how that part is treated. But you choose the easy way out. To pretend that it is just jokes.
billy beane
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"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." -Charles Schultz
"YOU AIN'T GOT THE ANSWERS SWAY" -Kanye West
"YOU AIN'T GOT THE ANSWERS SWAY" -Kanye West
One persons hurtful joke is another persons funny one, I dont follow that line of argument at all, in such a case every comedian has failed as a comedian.
A Link to the Past
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Similarly, I imagine that a racist joke against black people that comes from a place of bigotry would illicit a negative reaction, kind of like how Chappelle quit the show because the show wanted him to do more jokes that make fun of black people. It strikes me as someone who only cares when people who are like him are the butt of the joke - or, like I said earlier, people defending Chappelle might be applying a double standard on humour that says that some targets are more acceptable than others.
neurosisxeno
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Unlike the droves of comedians that have spent the last 30 years joking about how men being gay is just an excuse to hang around their buddies drinking and watching sports? Comedy walks a fine line with bigotry and controversy. As a reminder, it's 2016 and people have been getting outraged about various rape jokes from various standup comedians I think since the 70's (and that's just the earliest examples I can think of, it's probably caused problems since earlier). If I'm not mistaken, didn't Joel Mchale make a crack or two about Caitlyn Jenner at the ESPN Awards where she was given her Woman of the Year Award? We seem to selectively judge comedians for talking about controversial topics once or twice a year, and I think had a family member NOT been at this set, it would have just gotten ignored. Chappelle has probably been touring with the same material every stop for the last few months, and just now it's coming to light.
ItWillGetBetter
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It's a little bit funny. But not enough to get mad about it. It's comedy. And it's Chapelle.
Hidden One
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Social Media did this.
Well it seems that more and more people are not finding Chapelle that funny, so he slowly is becoming a worse comedian.
He can choose to whine about a more PC society, or he can try to improve.
So far he chose whining.
There's worse problems, but that kind of background noise definitely doesn't help in relativity to everything else. At a minimum it makes it worth criticizing, even if nothing substantial happens it at least acts as a counterpoint for people to see rather than just silence and rolling with a bad joke.
Basketball
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Totally
In regards to the gay joke, that sounds like it would be pointing out the absurdity of people that think being gay is a choice.
I don't really know what non-specified rape jokes have to do with this.
I never saw the ESPN awards nor have I heard anyone talk about them so I can't comment on what McHale did or did not say.
No it didn't. People would still be saying the same things when the special came out. I guess you wouldn't have to hear it though so you could keep nice and cozy inside your bubble.
I havent heard the routine in its context, so i refrain from commenting on what he said because I dont know the surrounding elements which are important. I have heard him in the last few months because some of his stuff leaked on youtube and found it mostly hilarious personally, so I can safely say I still find him funny.
He did a joke about male rape being funny which is on youtube that, when typed up and out of context, would seem indefensible, he basically said men should walk it off. In context I found it hilarious.
Probably a reasonable approximation of the bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huniz6NLP_E&t=31m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huniz6NLP_E&t=31m30s
neurosisxeno
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Of the top of my head there have been plenty of comedians that have made that exact claim, but there are definitely a lot of comedians who told jokes that could easily be considered offensive to gay people. If you go back and listen to a lot of older well known comedians it wasn't uncommon for "being gay" to be the punchline of jokes.
I was getting at the fact that once every few months a new comedian is in hot water over a joke they made on a special, or at some night club that was caught on camera. I think this whole story is blowing up because Kylie Jenner (I think it was that one) was in the audience.
He made a joke or two, but apparently in a more friendly way, and gave a ton of preemptive interviews showing support for Caitlyn Jenner while acknowledging that her getting the Arthur Ashe Award was controversial.
Oh really? Did you miss the post quoted below from this very thread? There's a lot more youtube pranksters on GAF than I thought, because apparently "it's just a joke, bro!" is a "valid" excuse.
LudicrousSpeed
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What exactly do you think would be objected to there? The blind black KKK member sketch is about how people absorb and internalize racism from the culture. It's entirely about how racism is learned and not "stupid black people" or "stupid blind people".
If you think that's analogous to Chappelle saying that being trans is "a fantasy", you might want to go back and look at that sketch again.
How bout the shit Eddie was pullin in Delirious haha
Career/life destroying shit in there by today's standards
I was just pointing out how that was how the show opened up, man.
It'd survive just fine.
It was actually funny and was satiring bigotry; I'll try to reserve final judgement until I hear this bit in context but this sounds more like nasty snark than comedy or satire.
Like he's looking for "totally!!!" responses not laughs.
Okay maybe. But it would definitely get much more backlash (for some sketches). The one I actually have in mind is the "NIggar Family" sketch.
Not defending his Caitlyn jokes but just pointing out how what's okay and not has changed. Regardless of if you believe "omg too pc ugh" or not, a shift has happened, though I haven't heard these newest jokes and don't know how far they go without context.
the_batman
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people are upset that it didn't seem like Dave was telling a joke, but venting, right? sort of how Kramer went apeshit at that comedy club years ago.
come on, bruh, you can't deny Chappelle is a funny ass dude.
Yeah I got you; I just disagree that Chappelle Show wouldn't fly.
Have you seen Tosh.0? It doesn't really generate controversy and he tells a ton of racist jokes. It's assumed that he is satiring racists because it's his shtick; I don't think anyone wouldn't make the same assumption about Chappelle. (and yes I know the Niggar skit is white people saying it; but it's askit written by Dave)
I do agree that Chappelle probably could have said what he said about transgender issues 10 years ago and not caused any stir though; hell maybe 2-3 years ago.
Not sure about Tosh. All my friends and I just don't like him enough to care what he does lol. In any case, I think delivery is super important when telling jokes as well. A poster above mentioned the racist Kramer rant which was absolutely insane. I'm curious if this was simply a joke on Chapelle's part or legitimate spite.
In all honesty, I think it could have been super obvious that it was meant to be taken as a joke and people would still have been upset, but like I said, I don't have any context so I won't swing either way.
Riposte
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This is fucking killing me. I had no idea he had new acts on YouTube, thanks for linking this. Chappelle hasn't lost his comedic genius.
EDIT: That fucking son fight at school bit. I'm dying.
SolidSnakex
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Very few shows are. He recently partnered up with some new company that prevents people from using cellphones during shows. Which is why we're unlikely to ever hear/see this bit about Caitlyn in full.
FallingEdge
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lmaoooooooooooooo
Seriously. Dave's been doing this shit for years. One of his most famous sketches ever is of the Race Draft with several races including whites being portrayed in stereotypical ways.
Rentahamster
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A Link to the Past
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Forget hard limits, what limits period are being discussed? Chappelle made a shit joke and people are rightfully calling him out. TBH, it's become all too aggravating that apparently comedy is such an empty medium that it can't survive scrutiny, and thus must surround itself with free speech proponents.
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