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Wkd BO 0325-2716 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny
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BronsonLee
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Not gonna happen, they're pot committed
Dash_Riprock
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Pretty much. WB was the one who decided that they should rush their movies with BvS instead of doing MoS2 and cut the movie from 3 to 2 1/2 hour.
Get Ratner in there, thats the ticket.
shortsFortallPeople
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It almost seems like the Donner Superman and a half films, the DCAU, and Nolan's batverse happened by chance given how much they keep messing up what should be an easy thing.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
They need to throw the Justice League script in the trash also and start over.
Father_Brain
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True. More competent management would have taken one look at MoS' reception and concluded that Snyder was exactly the wrong person to launch a DCCU.
I think this THR article from last year on WB's managerial approach to universe-building deserves another read:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/superman-batman-dcs-real-battle-792190
It's just not going to happen. SS is done, WW has already been filmed, JL is literally two weeks from the start of filming. There might be time to tweak the JL script, but if they want to stay on their timetable, they can't really delay filming by more than a few months at best. Even Aquaman and the Flash's movie have to be coming into focus fairly soon, I imagine those are going to get filmed right after the JL movie.
BattleMonkey
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Snyder gets lot of blame, but movies have so many people involved. The writers for example are getting a total pass while its all being put on Snyders shoulders? Every aspect he is not part of, including the design of a character is not his call to make, many of these things are decided by producers and execs in the project.
Reading it now. CHRIST
Presumably this was before they announced the almighty talent that is Seth Grahame-Smith?
Doesn't bring up the point I think Moviebob raised a while back which is that DC have been trying to get a Dark Knight Returns movie off the ground for literal years and that there may have been a degree of tunnel vision on that (especially considering how old the property is)
Who would want that job though?
Did he come up with any on his own? Isn't this on the writers of the movie?
BattleMonkey
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Thats kind of the job of the writers, not director
Yeah probably nobody, and I doubt Snyder would accept working with a babysitter either.
I'm sure he said that he was the one that wanted to
kill Superman and proposed it to WB execs.
And the Knightmare stuff was his idea too apparently.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What...man-V-Superman-Bizarre-Fight-Scene-98547.html
And another dream sequence
http://www.gamesradar.com/zack-snyder-teases-flash-cameo-batman-v-superman/
It's not an unheard of arrangement. Irvin Kershner on "Empire Strikes Back" comes to mind.
Obliterator
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Could not agree more. I actually really hope they keep Snyder just for his visual talent alone. But he clearly needs help in other areas. I just think it would be a huge loss if Snyder leaves completely. His visual eye is one of the best out there
That Snyder is a good visual director who can only work with a good script has been known for a while, not least when Sucker Punch bombed with critics and audiences alike. It bears repeating that that movie was meant to solidify his reputation as a bona fide auteur, and I suppose it did, just one who didn't have a good enough grasp on story (that and that NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE IN FUCKING SLOW MOTION)
Which begs the question of why somebody thought he had any business being in charge of BvS' story beats, let alone the story beats of the entire DCEU.
Which begs the question of why somebody thought he had any business being in charge of BvS' story beats, let alone the story beats of the entire DCEU.
If I'm not mistaken, the organic webshooters in the Sam Raimi films are from Cameron's treatment.
Lokimaru
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Yeah probably nobody, and I doubt Snyder would accept working with a babysitter either.
I'm sure he said that he was the one that wanted toI'm sure several ideas in the movie originated from Snyder, he's not just a hired hand.kill Superman and proposed it to WB execs.
And the Knightmare stuff was his idea too apparently.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What...man-V-Superman-Bizarre-Fight-Scene-98547.html
And another dream sequence
http://www.gamesradar.com/zack-snyder-teases-flash-cameo-batman-v-superman/
I can understand wanting to SEE Superman being a threat to back up Batman's position but my thought is why is only Bruce being contacted, why not contact Clark too? This is the kind of guy that develops plans to take down all the justice league members that always get stolen. But nope Supes is just as plot device in this Movie and NOT an actual character with his own thoughts and motivations. He's still just "The Other".
Everyone just talks at him about what he should do but no one gives a fuck about what HE has to say not Perry, not Bruce, not even Lois. The one time he gets to speak his mind and be heard on a national stage it literally
blows up in his face
This movie reminds me of a this.
Lights and Waves
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BadAss2961
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He might take a break from directing after Justice League, but I don't see him stepping down from creative anytime soon.
I like that he's the one to set the standard for DCEU action and visuals. The things his team pulls off is incredible. So when we start getting films which combine that influence with storytelling that hits, we'll be good.
lol
The perfect reaction for critics and haters. wtf! when is this thing going to tank?
Liquidsnake
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Kathryn Bigelow should direct a Batman movie with Affleck.
I haven't seen people say that it's going to "tank", what people have said is that it will barely break even and won't be the success that Warner expects.
OfficerRaichu15
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Hope it does over a billion, it wasn't great in my comic geekdom itch but it was fun.
Heh if BvS gets the same OW multiplier as Furious 7, it will end up with 400 on the nose, or just below it.
The directors guild won't allow a second director. They allow it when two are already partners, siblings, etc but they won't allow WB to add one bc they're worried about Snyder.
As for the dream sequences, Faraci said that Goyers draft had a payoff where it was revealed that
Brainiac was controlling Lex the whole time and was the one sending Batman the nightmares.
Well that was a bit different in that Lucas wanted to allow someone else to focus on core "day to day" directing of actors and focus on providing input across the board on the film and in particular much on the non-performance aspects. Kershner turned out to be perfect choice and helped cast raise their game considerably vs ANH (and probably teased out way better performances than Lucas could have).
With Snyder if it was down to me he wouldn't be the actual director at all but 1st unit director focused purely on action scenes, etc. and kept well away from actors and most everything else.
That's pretty harsh and I doubt he'd want to do that! But until he delivers a good film that doesn't pretty much already have a complete blueprint for him (300, Watchmen, etc) I'm now officially out of watching Snyder movies in future. He just can't assemble the whole that a truly good director has to be able to do. His movies are a mess. Some good ideas but he can't make them work together and I'm not convinced he's particularly good with actors either (I don't mean being awful to work with he might be a sweetheart I just mean getting them to deliver terrific performances).
Fuck John Ford literally cut the film as he shot in the can and produced masterworks that required minimal further editing nor had any real additional material left of the cutting room floor (okay he was one of the best ever but that does provide a view of the top level of directors) while Snyder can't even produce a coherent film with tons of prep, storyboards, writers, etc. and enough money for re-shoots and modern editing capabilities.
BadAss2961
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Many expect a massive drop this week, leading to that disappointment for Warner. That's the tank i'm referring to.
KonradLaw
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Nah. They can get her for other movies if they want. I need to see Batman directed by Affleck.
LegendofDragoonLives
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lol I can't see it being that much worse than I3 or AoU. People acting like those two set any sort of template on how to do great comic books movies. Some of you guys going berserk over this movie is both funny and sad
CaviarMeths
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Yeah.
About a week before Man of Steel was released, we got a bunch of news headlines that Man of Steel 2 was "fast tracked." Happens a lot in the build up to release of blockbusters. Studios like to display confidence.
And then at SDCC a week after release, it was revealed to be a Batman movie too. Some thought this was the plan all along, others thought it was reactionary to the mixed reception of Man of Steel.
And then somewhere along the line, the Dawn of Justice subtitle appeared. It's like they just kept adding more and more stuff to what was originally planned to be a straightforward sequel to Man of Steel.
That along with their huge pile of release dates announced with no actual movies, directors, or writers attached made it look like they were rushing in headlong to play catch up with Marvel. Zack Snyder can't not fuck up every movie he does, but I don't think he's to blame for the overstuffing of BvS.
Discotheque
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well it's all out of the way now. the future can be incredibly smooth sailing if they just chill. they crammed A LOT of set up in the film. even introduced plot threads that could be good if handled well. like bringing batman back to the light, red hood, "make superman great again", wonder woman and batman assembling the league,
etc.
perhaps this film was sacrificed for the greater good, much like age of ultron. really wish it wasn't though, would have vastly preferred just a simple batman/superman plot with some wonder-woman on the side.
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perhaps this film was sacrificed for the greater good, much like age of ultron. really wish it wasn't though, would have vastly preferred just a simple batman/superman plot with some wonder-woman on the side.
Lights and Waves
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I don't want this movie to fail. I think you may have misinterpreted my post. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding yours. I want this movie to crush the haters.
BronsonLee
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Thinking about it more, this might've turned out ok for them. They kinda Trojan Horse'd a lot of shit in and were able to sell it with the fight
I think the only issue is in how they're credited, unless I'm mistaken. For many years one Cohen brother was credited as director and the other one as producer. This is all kinda pointless anyway since it's never going to happen.
I read about what Faraci said, I'm not sure it contradicts what I posted. Snyder doesn't have to actually sit down and write parts of the script for his own ideas to influence it. As far as I know, he had a lot of creative control over this production, and apparently over the DCU in general at this point.
I don't think rushing to a team up film is the issue with the film. They barely do any building to the JL anyhow.
Problem was writing this three hour epic knowing that it would never fly with mainstream audiences. Then they tried to cut it and broke the film completely. They aimed way too high for what this film needed to be.
There's a ton of stuff that could be fix with the script, structure being my main issue, that would make this film work. Even then they could still have a element that builds towards the JL.
I'm basing the directing stuff on what somebody in the DCEU thread posted about the directors guild rules. It's all confusing anyhow.
I don't think it will get to $400m, but we'll know for sure early this coming weekend. Right now I'm thinking between $350m and $400m.
KonradLaw
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It's a movie about Batman and Superman punching eachother. It doesn't matter what critics or even viewers say. This is something many people will simply want to see, no matter what. Kind of like everybody went to see Jurassic Park not because it was a good movie (it was of course), but because of dinosaurs CG.
Monday is a school holiday in many areas. Last year family oriented films like Cinderella, Home, and Spongebob had much better Monday holds than the adult oriented films. typically the reverse is true.
I know content-wise, BvS doesn't make for a very good family film, but it still has Batman and Superman. Parents who don't do their research are bringing their 8 year olds to it.
Same was probably not true for Furious 7.
CenturionKei
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Hah. Good user score and massive bucks. Batman vs Superman is showing people dont give a sht about critics anymore.
Except it's CinemaScore (the only user score that anyone pays attention to) isn't good and it's going to struggle to get to 400 mil?
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