PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

I don't know what 'considerable' would mean. It could still mean the PS4 version having similar quality of world detail, but lower lighting/shadows/textures etc. Like a PC on high vs medium. I don't think the differences would be as drastic as our imaginations are thinking right now - publishers wouldn't want to upset 40-50m ps4 owners

If done well, there shouldn't be too much impact for developers if they are coming from a core PC engine. In fact this might be partly down to requests from publishers for more power. it could enable them to slowly move the baseline forwards, which would benefit PC too.
 
Fbh said:
Fuck this.
Aiming to join the PC gaming crowd in the second half of the year.

I've no interest in a console market where my console will be outdated by a new model after 2-3 years.
Specially when hearing about games made for the new model that are still "playable on the older one with much worse performance". Sounds like original 3ds versions of hyrule warriors in the making
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You know what else is going to be outdated in 3 years? That PC you plan on building this year.

Also love how everyone keeps pointing to Hyrule Warriors instead of the 100+ 3DS games that came out after the n3DS was released and run almost exactly the same on both systems.
 
People saying its not enough for 4K gaming are missing two things: the GPU is supposedly much faster in addition to twice as powerful and there could be a new cpu. To me this sounds more than just "twice as powerful as PS4". Could be well over the 3.8TF of a twice as powerful PS4
 
Netherscourge said:
Holy shit...

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This is actually LEGIT?


I thought the OP was going to do an account suicide.

So this is actually happening??? This is like REAL?
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They're a much more reliable source than the average forum goer making these threads.
 
Fbh said:
Fuck this.
Aiming to join the PC gaming crowd in the second half of the year.

I've no interest in a console market where my console will be outdated by a new model after 2-3 years.
Specially when hearing about games made for the new model that are still "playable on the older one with much worse performance". Sounds like original 3ds versions of hyrule warriors in the making
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Do you think your PC won't be outdated 2-3 years after purchase? Rude awakenings ahead.
 
I love the sound of this. The only thing that would annoy me is if there really isn't any trade-in incentive towards the new one.
 
PBY said:
The bolded is exactly why people are upset. The odds of it just upgrading the visuals for new games, and assuming that the ps4.0 will continue running games as if it is the only box devs will optimize for strikes me as fantasy.

I hope I'm wrong, or I hope at least Sony communicates this clearly and has some upgrade program.
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Lets be reasonable, the 4k version of a game probably will run with some additional graphical features (better AA, shadows) or simply just a higher framerate. Game dev is expensive and 4k specific features will be very minor.
 
Psychological Intellect said:
Like OP said, if that were to happen it'd just be a PS4K only patch.
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RoboPlato said:
It might get a patch. There won't be separate versions of games.
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jelly said:
It's called Uncharted : The Movie.

I do think a few first parties might patch in some upgrades but doubt there will be a massive move on publishers or devs parts on old games.
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What do you mean "patch"?

The PS4 version of The Last of Us was graphically superior to the PS3 version, would that be considered a "patched" version?
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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I think this is exactly how it's going to be as well.
 
But Sony would be committing suicide if they priced this any more than $399. They absolutely cannot go over than that. I believe the PS4 launch price is the ceiling, and subsequent iterative launches will just start there while establishing tiered pricing for older models, much like Apple and the iPhone.
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
I'm not opposed to the concept of iterative consoles and I actually supported the way I heard people speculate about Nintendo's potential approach. So from that perspective I agree with this post.

But man, the price is such a dealbreaker. Paying $500 for the same console is just too much and not something I can afford to justify. If it was cheaper or there was an upgrade plan, that'd be cool. But.... MAN, a whole new purchase, I can't do that.
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Sure, if you don´t want to, or can´t afford it, don´t buy it. You´ll still get the games you want, it will be supported for just as long as it would have.

As for trade in, sell it if you want now, wait for a deal, and you´ll pay maybe 100-200$ for the 4K.

Also OP says currently 399 :)
 
Orniletter said:
I'm so, so, so done.

This is a huge slap in the face. I literally got my PS4 less than a year ago (the Bloodborne bundle in june) and really enjoyed like 2 games on it.

It was ok with the DSi and new 3DS, because handhelds tend to wear down a lot faster (especially the buttons) and are a lot cheaper than a huge 400 bucks investment.

Just fuck you, Sony.
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You sound like an expert in honor and shame.
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you.
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I mean, to take a random example - Dark Souls 3. I know this game is gonna be framey, etc, whatever - but at least the devs have optimized it for the best version of this walled universe. Bloodborne 2 or whatever, comes out - I have no confidence that the ps4.0 version won't be even framier considering they optimize for the better box.
 
Sony essentially used the PS3 as a gateway for blu-ray adoption, which proved highly successful in the HD DVD format wars. Seeing them take the reigns on 4K is not a surprise in the slightest. I'd rather buy a 4K gaming system from Sony than a standalone disc player from the likes of Samsung.

I already own a 4K TV, a 4K passthrough audio receiver, a Roku 4 with a 155mb internet connection. My body is ready.
 
Nirolak said:
Toward this and other notes, I feel the final form and implementation of the products model closely to what their competitors end up doing even if they have 10 year out product R&D in a wide range of ideas.

I'm sure they probably had something that was a smartphone years before the iPhone was unveiled, but I don't think that would make their modern devices not built in its image.
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hmm, i feel like they just distance themselves from tying those technologies to a console, like the Wiimote was the Wii controller, whereas the Move was an added (and failed) device. PSVR is also an added device.

i will at least agree in the sense that they give their competitors and/or other companies time to test the waters before they commit. if there wasn't so much excitement and buzz about Oculus and it didn't gain traction and investment so quickly i don't think PSVR would be a thing yet.
 
Dennis said:
Do you guys think we will se a PS4K exclusive version of Uncharted 4 with better graphics compared to the last gen PS4?

Like how we got a PS4 version of Last of Us.
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I can already see the thread

"Which PS4 game would want to be remastered for PS4K?"

Just kill me already. Hopefully upscaling is true.
 
pastrami said:
Developers are already working with things like real time GI and tessellation on PCs. Do you guys really want to wait another 2-3 years before we start seeing that stuff on consoles too?
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Yes. GI and tessellation are graphical effects, hardly essential to a game experience. Many people chose consoles over yearly nVidia cards because they don't want to be targeted as whales and drip-fed the next "must have" shiny every 2 years.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Because the reality is that this goes directly against part of why many people buy consoles in the first place. It's knowing that for five or so years you'll have a new platform and won't need to update for a while. Heck, right now the PS4 is selling more than it did last year in the same time period. Yet in a few months the people that bought those PS4's may learn that there's going to be an even better version of the console. Something that there's way no reason to even consider being a possibility before then. How do you think those people are going to feel? Do you think they're going to want to hear about an upgraded console when they just made a $350 investment?

And I simply compared the anger to that of which you saw with the DRM. When you've got people constantly saying "Fuck Sony if this is true", then yes, it's very much like the DRM debacle. Like I said, if Sony has been listening, then now has never been a better time to listen. There's no going back once this thing is announced. Much like with DRM. MS has never been able to shake that reputation since. And Sony won't be able to shake this.
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It is going to be fun to see if it has any effect on sales. N3DS bumped hardware for a few months, then things returned to normal. I really doubt most people care about incremental upgrades as long as P4.5 software plays on ps4 a la ipad air 1 and air 2.
 
So we're talking 770/780-like performance right?

robertsan21 said:
lets abandon 35 millions users and make optimized games for only PS4k. let the losers with the PS4 play a glitchy mess in 20 fps...

haha people here need to relax, its not going to happen guys. it will most probably work like a PC, you have graphics settings. games will not worse than they are today on PS4.

Bring on the future Sony, I am in!
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I don't think users are going to be able to mess with graphics settings (that'll really start to evaporate the difference from PC), but I generally agree with this. I think most games will still optimize around the base PS4 as a lowest common denominator and then just add some sprinkles for the PS4K. I don't think major games will run any worse than they already do on the base PS4 (where many are already running in the 20's).

Games like Just Cause 3, Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls 3 will probably automatically hit 30fps and never dip, without having to have any updates. Games still being persistently played and monetized like GTA Online, Destiny, The Division, Fallout 4, and Overwatch might get performance updates for the PS4K. Overall the advantages you see might be 60fps for certain games, and some fancy new lighting effects ported over form the PC versions. If some of these games are still being played/monetized by the time PS5 rolls around, they might get updated even further with better textures, actual 4K, and even more effects.
 
The Lamp said:
Fucking WHY
Nobody even has 4K TVs yet. Why this mid-gen push for hardware that is going to splinter the PS4 library? Ugh.
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The X1 and PS4 are already outdated, and it's only getting worse as time moves on with all the technological advances happening. You can see some games hurting from this already.

This is a necessary thing if you want the medium to move forward. And if you're inclined, newer games will still work on the older consoles, with less performance/graphical fidelity. It's not splitting up anything.

I seriously don't see how we can keep this generation cycle going without these console upgrades.
 
Griss said:
...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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Exclusives, not everything is a ported PC game. God of War 4 will likely run like crap on a PS4 and really well on a PS4K. If the PS4K didn't exist they'd optimize for the PS4?
 
Durante said:
Going from 30FPS to solid 60FPS would, in the general case, require twice the sequential CPU performance. That seems quite unlikely.
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Maybe even slightly more.
Nobody wants to create a situation in an online game, where premium PS4 players rule the pleb PS4 users.

And optimizing for steady 60FPS can be a pita. At some point you want to turn another slider down.
And then there would be the situation where the PS4k version has a better framerate but the shadows are worse than in the pleb PS4. Sony won't allow this.

So the easiest way would be to add more effects, better AA, higher resolutions (maybe even downsampling).
 
Honestly, I think this is too early. Should have waited an extra year. 8 year generations with midcycle refreshes sounds good. If they're planning on doing more refreshes though and do the eternal console thing, they fucked up branding.
 
TyrantII said:
So people realize that PSVR just got bumped to a potential $1000 investment right?

Still not bad when you include PCs with the competitors headsets, but PSVR pricing just doubled pretty much.

And don't expect vanilla PS4 to run much. There were questions there orginallybthatbwere never answered.

PS4K is the answer.
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Yeah, the pieces started to fit together. I have seen Rift bundles going for $1200 though, so maybe it might not be that much difference.
 
Vilix said:
I got my PS4 less than a year ago. I'm not getting another.
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Im in the same boat. If it truly is great then I'll get it when a major price drop happens years from now. I have more and enough of a backlog on multiple consoles if there are exclusive games to the PS4K.
 
This is definitely unprecedented but obviously the business model is changing. Looks like they're going more of the Apple route of having a higher-end "pro" platform for more dedicated users. The problem (OBVIOUSLY) is how they'll allocate software to cater to both platforms, because 40 million is a massive install base to fuck over this early.

Consider my brow furrowed. Also hysterical that the news today of the NX being more powerful than the PS4 made rounds and Sony's like "well how 'bout this betch"
 
213372bu said:
Twice as powerful GPU for $400 and maybe a better CPU for ~$500

And on top of that existing games won't be able to "tap in"a 2x more powerful GPU unless they make a patch for it, which is "doubtful"


Even though you've been Bish checked I can't help but ignore the red sirens in my face.
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I kind of feel the same way.
 
Sony leaks first, forces MS to announce, Sony changes spec at last minute to beat them.

Or

Sony leaks first, forces MS to shoot for the moon due to the RAM switcheroo from last time, Sony undercuts them on price.

Or

Not
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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Thats exactly what happens now,
 
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