PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Durante I concede to the 5.6 TF, I was confusing this for the wrong GPU, however, the graphs you posted are all pretty much Ultra settings. If you knocked things down a peg or two on shadows, AA, etc. I'm sure things will be much more palatable.
OK speeding up development and release of the Xbox Nextbox.
SmiteOfHand
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The splintering users or comparisons to ancient models like the 32x are bad arguments. Hardware profiling is a well understood facet of modern development, and we aren't even talking anything close to the complexity of PC, or relatively less complex mobile areas. In fact if new console hardware is only dropped every 2-3 years it will be one of the least complex of what is out there, and very much in line with the console model. Calm yourself, GAF, this is not as hard of a problem to solve for developers as you are making it sound.
If 40 million people are using the original PS4, developers will support their games there. If it drops down to less than 1% (not likely for a very long time) support for that hardware profile will drop off. The hardware sitting under your TV is just as viable as it was last month, it didn't suddenly become worthless shit over night because a new one is entering.
If 40 million people are using the original PS4, developers will support their games there. If it drops down to less than 1% (not likely for a very long time) support for that hardware profile will drop off. The hardware sitting under your TV is just as viable as it was last month, it didn't suddenly become worthless shit over night because a new one is entering.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The only way Sony can stop this 'potentially' (<- note this word) damaging second-hand PR is to drop the price of the PS4 to $250. Let's just pray that developers don't start opting to put out 900p games on the PS4 to save themselves development time and the necessity to use those features Cerny said would likely start appearing after 3 - 4 years. If this is true, Sony need to step in now and present their own messaging even if it slows sales for a while. This is going to get messy.
Fbh
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Yes it will.
But if I'm already expected to upgrade my hardware every 2-3 years I'd rarher do so in the platform where I dicide what, when and how to upgrade and I decide how to take advantage of the hardware (better resolution...or performance...or both but with lower graphics setting).
The pltform where games are cheaper and most of the time endlessly backwards compatible (what if the next upgrade is called ps5 and it's not compatible with ps4 games?).
The one where, as per info posted on this thread, my hardware upgrade will give a boost to all my games and I don't have to wait for devs to patch performance improvements to my older titles.
The fact consoles were this fixed hardware for 5 years or more was one of the reasons I preffered them. Take that away and I see no reason to not go with the superior upgradable platform
CriterionDog
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omg this thread is moving so fast
Old games will not be enhanced for PS4K. New games will be, sometimes. All games will still run on PS4. As a normal PS4 owner, you lose nothing, unless a dev releases a buggy game, which they do already. There is no split userbase, unless devs intentionally give PS4k online players an fps boost.
Its not a crazy concern, of course sacrifices will be made for ps4.0 versions.
Hip Hop
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Different gens, I seriously don't see what else they can pull from the PS4 anymore with those specs, there's no hidden anything there, what's there is there. Not to mention it's easier to develop for than the Cell was.
And yeah, games hurting. Some games have a lot of problems with performance/graphics, I wouldn't even blame the devs on it fully. Like I said, there's only so much room specs wise with the PS4/X1 that devs can mess with.
Ugh that's really where the console industry is headed?
Just strengthens the 'why not get a PC' argument, IMO.
The one with the massive install base, obviously.
This isn't a 'cross-gen' scenario as presumably the console is being built with a very similar architecture. It's not like OG PS4 will be getting a 'port', unless you think that when you change a PC games graphical settings you're turning it into a port.
That's all this will be. Higher graphical settings from the same code base, probably handled automatically in most cases by Unreal Engine or Unity or who have you.
Thanks. Gaf delivering logic.
Should be first post on every threads that has people whinning about it.
RealityCheque
Banned
Anybody want a PS4? I'm thinking very seriously about selling mine before this tanks it's second hand value.
Always said this was likely to be my last console now that I'm much more invested in PC gaming, but I didn't think it'd be over this soon.
Always said this was likely to be my last console now that I'm much more invested in PC gaming, but I didn't think it'd be over this soon.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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At this point it is safe to say that probably both of them have had these in the pipe line for a while.
TheKastorian
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Is the OP a legit source?
Haha.
Rats Off To Ya
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Quoting because this needs to be seen by as many people as possible.
Spoiler: If you play a game on PS4 you're already playing a version with "considerable sacrifices." That doesn't happen just because there's an new PS4 spec.
Apoleptica
Banned
Early or mid 2017 release date maybe for the PS4K? That would make the current gen only about 4 years, shortest generation ever? It would honestly be hilarious if we saw PS4K remastered versions of current games too. I hope that if the PS4K is powerful enough and at a decent price that it would drive GPU prices down for gaming pc's.
Yes, because Sony is the sole developer of PS4 and PS4K games. No PS4 games will be terrible messes with bad performance after this, no sir!
gundamkyoukai
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I happy that Sony is doing this .
I am a console gamer and waiting 6 years for a hardware upgrade sucked .
There are people like me that don't want to game on PC ( for certain reasons ) .
But still wanted better hardware , so me and my friends fall into this group .
Also this norm for all tech now not just phones but tablets , laptops , certain other tech .
Most people i know upgrade every 3 to 5 years so this is perfect .
I am a console gamer and waiting 6 years for a hardware upgrade sucked .
There are people like me that don't want to game on PC ( for certain reasons ) .
But still wanted better hardware , so me and my friends fall into this group .
Also this norm for all tech now not just phones but tablets , laptops , certain other tech .
Most people i know upgrade every 3 to 5 years so this is perfect .
//DEVIL//
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Because this is NOT a new cycle ? this is an upgraded PS4. not PS5 to worry about your console life span or the investment you and I made. if this was a PS5 and new games are not gonna be played on my PS4, then yeah I would agree with and I would even go the extra mile of giving Sony the finger and not coming back to them at all. but this is not the case here.
sems4arsenal
Member
Problem is if Devs target 1080p/30 FPS on the PS4K, good luck getting stable performance on the OG PS4.
Can't belive how easily people get hyped.
Mechanized
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If there is no trade-up program I'm done with consoles and sticking to pc.
If the base GPU is 3.6Tf (PS4 x 2) + overclock then we are talking GTX 970+ GPU performance.
That's not even taking into consideration console specific optimizations and fixed target hardware...
Jesus.
PS4 still on par with a 750 Ti after 2 years despite all those console optimizations and shit.
Well those sacrifices will be even more severe and the games will be more unoptimized.
Also, people are just making points, its not "whining."
IAmAnAgnostic
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draughn101
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Life must throw you for a loop, because this happens in every market. Getting a few years out of a console and then getting several more years of the same games at slightly lower spec is a bargain nowadays. Let's not overact and act like Sony gave you a guarantee that you wouldn't see a hardware revision within a certain time frame.
iceatcs
Junior Member
It going be great, but need to get a Ultra HDTV. Hopefully they might do for HD only as well.If the base GPU is 3.6Tf (PS4 x 2) + overclock then we are talking GTX 970+ GPU performance.
That's not even taking into consideration console specific optimizations and fixed target hardware...
Jesus.
How do you know that?
Obliterator
Member
Now that is possible. It may force up their release schedule.
Though like I said earlier, we know almost nothing about the new Xbox other than that its rumored to exist. MS are keeping that thing close to the chest big time.
civilstrife
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Can a gpu only 2x as powerful really push 4K?
TheChewyWaffles
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You don't have to be Nostradamus to know that all games will be PS4/4K compat.
I think what he's saying is that the target now is PC, and then the consoles get downgraded versions of that, so PS4K essentially just gets a less downgraded version.
zswordsman
Member
Eh. As a guy who got one a launch I'm ready for something stronger. I've enjoyed the ps4 immensely these last two years.
I'm sure ppl who bought the console and hardly play will be pissed, or anyone who bought it recently.
Wishmaster92
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Why though? What PC game comes close to these realtime graphics
You're set with the vanilla ps4
but not really. 4K is a cinema resolution of 4096px wide. UHD is 3840px wide
This leak is very, very favorable to Xbox and Phil in terms of control of information, imaging, and branding. They have information on Sony's plans and its out in the public, while Xbox remains a complete mystery to everyone and has slipped on by by this news.
I agree with Nirolak's earlier point that this is reactionary to maintain the PS4's power over the X1 (and now, seemingly, even the NX lines up as more powerful potentially). I just have to wonder if MS won't do something from the dark now that they have information advantage.
Also the 290x is a desktop GPU not an APU so I still don't understand some of these arguments.
How the hell would you be able to put in an APU with that amount of power for a reasonable cost into a $400 console.
It will result in developers not putting resources into optimizing the version on less powerful hardware, no? Developers want to be lazy at some point i don't know what their philosophy on this is gonna be like