PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

Kralamoonard said:
Wait why as a later patch? Surely the BF5 disc put into the PS4K will already have the better bells and whistles? As in DICE could already prepare themselves for when PS4K launches? I think I'm misunderstanding something, right?
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If the thing is releasing in late Q1 2017, they might still be determining exactly what upgrades work well on that version when they have to go gold in October 2016 to meet a November launch.

They have 4-5 more months to optimize for PS4K. Why not use it?
 
As someone who still plays BF4 daily, I'd love if DICE went back and worked on the performance in 64-player conquest. The framerate hits the teens when the skyscraper comes down in SoS.

A res bump would be great too.
 
I would think if the PS4K was not happening or far off, Sony would have to address it fairly soon as this rumor could deter soon to be buyers from buying.. So with that in mind I have to assume it's real.

Whenever a slim/new model has been introduced whether the Elite 360, slim PS3 or even New 3DS, Gamestop has always offered a reasonable trade up proposition.. I think with the 360 they gave $225 and the Elite was $350, so if they do something similar in this case it could be a reasonably cheap upgrade.. that said I'll buy the 4k day one and probably give the PS4 to my son.
 
geordiemp said:
Well, Nintendo have already started doing this (N3dS) and will continue with this path by the noises they have made (ios like platform).

Microsoft have said they are doing this, and PC do this every month.

So thats everyone. Unless your suggesting that SONY should be the only company NOT to do this platform strategy ?.
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Iwata should have never talked about this at that investor meeting, giving everyone else ideas.
 
Heavy's Sandvich said:
4 years worth of early adopting?
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2013 to 2016 is now 4 years? Did someone release an HD remaster of basic math concepts as well?
 
Just saw that this is expected to come in early 2017. That definitely gives me enough time to see if it's worth it. I tend to play games that don't even push the current PS4 that far so I doubt I'll be in on day one unless my backlog is completely cleared up..
won't happen

geordiemp said:
Well, Nintendo have already started doing this (N3dS) and will continue with this path by the noises they have made (ios like platform).

Microsoft have said they are doing this, and PC do this every month.

So thats everyone.
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You took the bait...
 
In general I gotta say those downplaying this or saying "just stick with your old PS4 and like it" have to see the bigger picture or at least understand the concerns better. This sets a bad precedence. People are saying "current PS4 users lose nothing" but all i'm remembering is the Xbox Live Silver bullshit of "we are not taking anything away from you, just adding benefits to Gold" shit show. Yes different company but same thought process. In order for PS4K to be successful for Sony that means it has to sell alot. And if it sold alot that means it gave a significant incentive for people to buy it over a PS4 or upgrade to it. You just can't have it both ways. Like the new 3DS it has to be an insignificant boost and upgrade thats not widely used by developers in order to not create a huge backlash or split market. If Sony does that with a $500 machine that would piss off alot of people who bought into it.
 
Abdiel said:
I don't think people have any idea how market realities will embrace these kinds of products, despite how we've seen these things change.

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

If all this info is true, it means we'll have a new paradigm for consoles, and we'll babe to see how it affects then going forward, but it's also the first time we'd have the exact same architecture being shared between these models for mass development.

I'd rather wait and let Sony demonstrate what they're going to do and how they'll pull it off, and what that will mean going forward.

Instead of, you know, losing my Damn mind and exploding with preposterous statements.
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All your posts in this thread call people here insular and reactionary for simply discussing their worries/not going along with PS4K yet your perspective comes from a non-consumer point of view.

Brushing off people who bought a PS4 for the first ~3 years concerns as insular and niche because your curiosity of the "new paradigm for consoles" is ridiculous.
 
If I read the OP right, didn't he just say the GPU is twice as powerful as the PS4 AND clocked higher. So is he insisting that the overall raw performance could be 2.5 X PS4 in the GPU department?
 
Abdiel said:
I don't think people have any idea how market realities will embrace these kinds of products, despite how we've seen these things change.

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

If all this info is true, it means we'll have a new paradigm for consoles, and we'll babe to see how it affects then going forward, but it's also the first time we'd have the exact same architecture being shared between these models for mass development.

I'd rather wait and let Sony demonstrate what they're going to do and how they'll pull it off, and what that will mean going forward.

Instead of, you know, losing my Damn mind and exploding with preposterous statements.
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My irrational fear would be developers actually stopping developing for old PS4s, if Sony can't ensure at least that then they are willingly destroying goodwill.
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I dont like this change...but no this i wont agree with. Early adopters know what they get into. Now for people who want psvr...THEY are getting shat on right now
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Pretty much, no way PSVR isn't mainly for PS4K units.

I-hate-u said:
Just interesting from a market data point of view, that's all.

If this rumor is true, they are going to have to put clear disclaimers in their game trailers onto whether the game is shown on PS4 or PS4K.
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Do Nintendo's approach and put "Best Played on PS4K" ... only show footage from PS4K.
 
Man. Can't wait for the official announcement and details. Most people seem to be fine with the idea of forward and backward compatible consoles. But there isn't nearly as much agreement with the natural consequence of such capability. If consoles are taking the route of forward and backward compatibility a la PC, then there's no reason to arbitrarily drag generations on for 5 or more years at a time. Just like PC gaming is a constantly moving target, so will be console gaming to a lesser extent. People can choose to upgrade every iteration or just on ticks or tocks a la Apple's S and non-S releases.
 
Scrawnton said:
I just keep thinking about this rumor and I am just shocked that there are leaks of a new PS4 hardware that is more powerful than the og PS4 and we still do not have all the games released on PS4 that were announced before the PS4 was even out...
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We still don't have all the games that were announced before the PS3 was even out.
 
Walpurgis said:
I actually bought a gaming PC a few months ago. I went to the gaming PC OT, had a kind gaffer pick out the parts for my budget, ordered the parts off a website and paid them only $50 to send it to me all built and ready to go. It cost me about $900 CAD in total but that was the budget that I chose at the start since I wanted something that would last.

Now that I have this PC that can already shit out noticeably better graphics than my PS4 (max graphics in the Battlefront beta), I can probably upgrade it to PS5 for about the cost of a PS4K. This is because it is far cheaper to upgrade what you have than to buy a completely new box.

PC gaming with those PC building sites and Steam has never been so accessible. Steam sales and PC games are also far cheaper than their console counterparts. However, I still have a few issues before I make PC my main plat. The main issue is, like you said, that console experience that many of us love. To achieve that, I must purchase a Steam controller ($60) and probably Steam Link ($60) to stream it to my TV (or just move my PC to my TV).

These might be insurmountable barriers for some but they aren't for me. When I say that I am going PC next gen, I mean it. I have already laid out the groundwork for my transition.
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And no one holds your internet hostage for basic functionality.
 
Nameless said:
These are good, reason filled posts. More options is never a bad thing, especially when you aren't being forced into said options and the people who choose not to partake will not see their experience change. Sony isn't phasing out the original models, quite the opposite.
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Yes, original PS4 owners will have new options. Either we buy the new PS4k and keep enjoying optimized console games and enjoyable VR experiences or we can keep our original PS4 and enjoy crappier and crappier ports of PS4k games and Fisher price unoptimized VR experiences.

This is a scam in all fronts.

A scam to og PS4 buyers who thought would have optimized games until at least 2018. A scam to og PS4 PSVR buyers because they won't get good experiences and soon many VR games won't even have og PS4 versions. And also a scam to PS4k buyers, because they will think they are buying a next gen console when it's just an incremental upgrade relative to the PS4. So, when real next gen PS5 comes in 2-3 years they will have to upgrade again.

I don't know who at Sony thought this was a good idea but he is wrong.

I swear when I first heard of this PS4k I thought this was Sony trying to make a play at Microsoft. You know, like before E313 everybody thought that Sony would go full DRM always online too, but in the end they didn't and that was a great PR win. I thought this news was Sony making MS believe they were going the .5 route too, but at E316, after Microsoft had announced its XBO.5, Sony wouldn't announce anything and let MS eat the backlash of killing their machine early while Sony would continue breaking sales records with the PS4 and PSVR.

I am now still praying this is what is happening. Because if they go on with this PS4k, they are making a huge mistake.

It's suicidal. The power of consoles is having a 80 million+ install base, so developers must target your system. So it doesn't matter how powerful PCs are, because the game you are running in your i7 dual titan rig is made targetting the PS4. You can play it in 4k 60 in ultra settings, but the game was made for the PS4. So PS4 users aren't missing on that much and are saving 1000s of $ in hardware.

But releasing a PS4k so early will kill the strength of console gaming. As the PS4k install base grows, developers will start targetting the high spec market (early adopters==heavy spenders) and there will be no more userbase strength for consoles. They will actually be like a PC. You have an old GPU, games run like crap. New GPU, games run good but will never take full advantage of the hardware.

So why should we keep buying consoles? Why do I have to pay 50/year to play online? Why do I have to pay 20$ extra or more for a PS4 game compared to a PC game? Why do I have to buy new bluetooth headsets or racing wheels every time Sony wants to stop supporting them?
 
Griss said:
a) The R&D costs of a new box every year wouldn't be supported by the amount of people who'd be willing to upgrade a console. This isn't the huge phone market, and people don't have that same need to upgrade.
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The thing is, most of this R&D sort of already happens because of the way PC market works, and home consoles are less complicated systems than phones when you think about it.

The other thing is, the people may not feel the need to upgrade, but it's another story with the developers, who love to spend less time on optimizations. Suppose that console makers jump to model when you can buy a new model every year and developers are suggested to support last three models (or more if they wish to, or less if they share more of the cut with console maker or work out a deal). This basically makes the whole console market way closer to PC/mobile way of things than it was before. I understand people preferring it the old way.
 
sleepykyo said:
Significant sacrifices to performance ... looks like I'm staying pc exclusive this gen.
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In comparison to the new hardware... if the new hardware didn't exist, you would still have that same exact game at the same fidelity. A better option existing doesn't suddenly make what you currently have any worse than it already was.
 
Nirolak said:
If the thing is releasing in late Q1 2017, they might still be determining exactly what upgrades work well on that version when they have to go gold in October 2016 to meet a November launch.

They have 4-5 more months to optimize for PS4K. Why not use it?
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Ah I see. Thanks. Also on a side note, do you see Nintendo adopting this mode as well?
 
thuway said:
Timing is all sorts of fucked especially if Sony announces this at E3. They will force Microsoft's hand as well. It could be a E3 where MS, Sony, and Nintendo all announce new hardware.
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I'm honestly not expecting an announcement until PSX if it's launching in 2017.
 
stan423321 said:
The problem here is that there are three elements to performance of the game: "ambition fulfilment" (i.e. how well does it look), "hardware", and "manhours", and they "follow" the equation of Fa(a) = x1 (x2 + Fh(h)) * (x3 + Fm(m)), where Fa, Fh and Fm are nondecreasing functions.

So when devs use rise of h to decrease m instead of rising a, especially since now they have de facto two hardware setups to support which may end up have different development needs, you get following scenario:

Games are released on PS4k, but they're heavily degraded versions of PC games. They are also released on OPS4, but they're even more heavily degraded versions of that.
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THIS.

RPGamer92 said:
So will this benefit older games? e.g. will Bloodborne play at 60 FPS now?
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HAH. Hell no. The best youll get is a more stable 30. Performance improvements are up to devs patching the game to take advantage of the new hardware. Dont expect many of the old games released this gen to take advantage of it.
 
Do we know if the hard drive is larger capacity, what with 4K games taking up a hell of a lot more space i reckon and the V.R stuff, 3-4tb minimum or bust!
 
Sounds like a terrible business decision. I don't really understand the logic behind releasing a completely separate, more powerful console for the same generation. I hardly feel we are even in the current generation, so what will dividing the userbase do? It will just make people a lot more hesitant on buying new renditions of consoles knowing there is a more powerful one possibly around the bend.
 
Kralamoonard said:
Ah I see. Thanks. Also on a side note, do you see Nintendo adopting this mode as well?
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Well, I mean, they already have with the DSi, the N3DS, the SuperFX chips for SNES, and the RAM expansion pack for N64.

If it's popular I don't see why they wouldn't use it with their modern consoles as well, but you can never be certain with Nintendo.
 
Haha, bye bye Sony, it was nice knowing ya.

Wondering how often will they start throwing new hardware iterations, every 2-3 years?
 
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