PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

If true, this is fuckery of the highest order!

I don't know anyone that is looking forward to Uncharted 4 and thinking "Boy, I sure wish I could have 4K graphics on that. It doesn't look gorgeous enough!"

What's the point of this device if it will divide the nearly 40 million player userbase, make people thinking about buying the console hold off and jut generally confuse the mainstream user who doesn't follow GAF? I'm getting 32X vibes from this.

Also, 4K TV's are not nearly widespread enough and they could wait until PS5 to fully integrate PSVR into the console.

Uncharted 4, FFXV and The Last Guardian aren't even out yet and we're talking about a successor/upgrade. It's insane! And infuriating.
 
In what capacity did the OP hear about this? Sounds like he/she was briefed at a retail event or concurrence call. If that is the case Sony must be ready to announce this much sooner than E3.

At this point it certainly seems to be in their best interest to communicate this officially.

Edit: ^^^becauee it doesn't divide the user base.
 
jeffram said:
I think this will allow for longer life cycles. Backwards/forwards compatibility will keep the PS4 relevant and sellable for longer. PS5 doesn't need to come as quickly now.
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It will be along in another three years. This is probably the new normal now. Starting from scratch each gen never made sense anyway as it was pain for devs to get on board and learn tools.
 
I haven't even got a 4k TV, and i'm sure many others haven't either.

I just want more first party games, not hardware upgrades or whatever so soon.
 
On second thoughts I'm going to wait for PS4K.1.

Should only be a couple of month from now.
 
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BleedOrange said:
Its like people suddenly started disliking games because some piece of hardware somewhere else may play those games marginally better. Unreal.
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I buy a console to last me around 5 yrs before getting a new one. I don't buy a console that gets upgrade every 2-3 years. What happens in say another 2 years Sony want another upgrade? What happens to the original PS4 owners then?

The reason I may cancel my PSVR is lack of funds to buy both btw.
 
Such a stupid decision if true. It feels like only now the PS4 is getting games optimized for it rather than just last gen games remastered, and now it's going to be outdated? Smh
 
spwolf said:
huh?

If you believe nonsense like that, you can surely believe that Sony might brick all PS4 in the world, tomorrow. I think no one at the moment has any way of realistic estimation of it not happening.
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Well they semibricked a lot of PS3s one fateful day. So one would expect them to not screw this up again, but it can't be ruled out either.
 
ugh_the_boot said:
This exactly, they're going to need at least a GTX980 comparable card and even then most PC users prefer to have 2 of these for ultra smooth 4k gaming. PS4.1 will have exactly the same (if not more) shortcoming for 4k gaming as the Ps4 does with 1080p 60fps gaming. This is just an endless circle of bullshit.
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The PS4K will have a GTX 970 class GPU. Some games will hit 4k native with coding "to the metal".

That said, I don't think games like UC4 etc will. Not even close.
 
jeffram said:
I think this will allow for longer life cycles. Backwards/forwards compatibility will keep the PS4 relevant and sellable for longer. PS5 doesn't need to come as quickly now.
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The constant "remastered" editions already made cycles or numbers next to the generation pointless.
 
In before you know it there will be a thread complaining the the PS4K version of UC4 looks too similar to the PS4 version, and one complaining that there is a difference at all.
 
This apparent confirmation of updated consoles in the near future coupled with Microsoft's first party games appearing on Windows is making a PC look more and more appealing
 
ugh_the_boot said:
This exactly, they're going to need at least a GTX980 comparable card and even then most PC users prefer to have 2 of these for ultra smooth 4k gaming. PS4.1 will have exactly the same (if not more) shortcoming for 4k gaming as the Ps4 does with 1080p 60fps gaming. This is just an endless circle of bullshit.
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So much BULLSHIT!

SO You're telling me Sony is willing to give up the lead they have both in PS4 and VR just to give a bump to some games? Dr Marks just said the main advantage PSVR has over other VR right now is developers can make games for ONE console and not worry about different specs. Why would they do this if they could announce the Ps5 in a few years with quadruple the power and have a strong lead again? If they do this they will lose the lead for the PS4, PSVR AND the PS5.

We haven't even seen what ND did with Uncharted 4, which has been called "the best looking game ever". There are tons of devs that haven't even released a PS4 game. Sony knows gamers will need that money to buy games like Uncharted, Man of Sky, God of War, Horizon, etc. It's simple math people! What is the best for PlayStation?

1. Make a cheaper PS4 slim and increase the lead, sell tons of games for that ps4, sell tons of PSVR, use money to develop PS5, sells tons of PS5's when it's announced next gen

Or

2. Release a more expensive PS4.5, lose ps4 lead, lose PSVR lead, don't sell games, lose ps5 lead.

Seriously.
 
Khayam said:
For the sake of everything that is holy, STOP comparing this to iPhones.

Phones are for calling and texting and going on the internet. They are not made for resource intensive applications, the features are just there : features. They are an accessory to the more core usage.

Here we are talking about a completely different piece of equipment. You buy it with the promise that for the next N years, devs will do their best to optimise their games on his machine (because they have no choice, the hardware is fixed and the consumer doesn't have a choice). There is no such promise that comes when buying an iPhone. You buy it to make phone calls, send textsn browsing the web and playing with some apps. They don't promise you anything about the future apps because they are not the main point.

And with a PS4.5, that promise is violated.
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your logic is backwards. If anything your explaining why console iterations make sense. People upgrade their phones even though there are immaterial improvements to its core functions. Technology is allowing for materially better gaming experience, and thus there is a reason to upgrade.
 
Marvel said:
Pretty nice.

Wish it was coming out this year though. Q1 2017 seems like forever.
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Wouldn't a Q1 2017 release cannibalize PS4 sales during the holidays? I just think that if it is early 2017, people will know that a better PS4 is right around the corner. I am hoping for Nov. 2016 for release.

As some have stated, Sony will have to be very transparent about what is in the machine, what it means for current PS4 owners. The main focus will be to ensure that current owners are not being abandoned and that they wont be getting 20fps games with screen tearing and pop in issues. I think Sony is smarter than many here are giving them credit for. I doubt Sony would make such a move and tell (by the time the new machine comes out) about 40million PS4 owners "hey we got this new super ps4, sorry to you 40million owners, but all future PS4 games will run like shit, look like shit and probably smell like shit, don't like it, get a PS4K". Anyone really think Sony would do that?
 
TyrantII said:
The competition. VR is coming this fall, and Sony was in a terrible position if they wanted to be a market leader in this new gaming tech.

This is risky, but they're deeming it nessesary. That much I get.
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The VR market is not about to completely explode and become entirely mainstream the moment it emerges. Look at how quickly PS4, with specs aimed at avoiding PS3-esque price headache, managed to become a bigger platform for sales of games like Battlefront. If Sony handled things correctly with their next platform, they could be in a position where there are more owners of that unit after a relatively modest amount of time than there are owners of the sort of PC hardware you need for a good Vive experience. The average person, the sort of customer who makes a product mainstream, stopped upgrading their PC hardware on a regular basis years ago.

Maybe there is some other opportunity that Sony sees here, like "virtual tourism" and whatnot. But on the gaming basis along, this seems like chasing after something that barely exists.
 
SolidSnakex said:
It wouldn't make sense for it to have anything to do with a remaster. Those creatures have already been animated and it's just about increasing the resolution. So he's referring to something completely new.
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The CV is from a company who produces CG trailers

It's going to be an announcement trailer. E3 CG 4K
 
I'm beginning to believe this is a trick - April Fools. I do believe a 4K is coming, but only for the UHD functionality. I don't think the PS4 becomes obsolete any time soon
 
thuway said:
Guys the OP said a GPU that is 2X as a PS4

WITH A HIGHER Clockrate.

That means it could be 2.5-3X more powerful?
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That's not what it means, although ops wording is confused. Assume it means double overall performance, regardless of clock speed. Powerful and speed are often used interchangeably for gpu talk
 
KillGore said:
Question, can't they make it like PC where you can run the same game on different settings? For example, running God of War 4 on PS4K at "ultra settings" and when running on PS4, the game runs at "Normal Settings"?
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This is what I thought this rumour was saying and what I would expect.
 
thuway said:
Guys the OP said a GPU that is 2X as a PS4

WITH A HIGHER Clockrate.

That means it could be 2.5-3X more powerful?
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Was thinking the same thing -- combined with (possibly) a new/faster CPU. It would mean quite an upgrade, especially if games are *not* native 4K.

Think about, the big 3 games announced at last E3 that are not out yet, two of which won't be finished for a long time.
 
I guess if the console hardware has rapid iterations and the old games remain playable on the new systems then there really isn't any reason to keep obsolete hardware like previous console generations where you can only play X game on Y console. For collection purposes this is a little disappointing since there will never be any reason to hook up the obsolete consoles again.

Still not sure how I feel about all this.
 
I had been literally about to get a gaming PC after not having one for many years. But this definitely changes things.

PS4k sounds like it should be awesome and with plenty of power for 1080p gaming.
 
MrHoot said:
Because PC is much more modular at least in it's options (allowing you to tailor your options), has a slew of advantages that the ps4 does not possess anymore (free online, a way bigger library at this point). And if the price point of that ps4k is accurate, honestly upgrading a PC has now become cheaper.

And yeah, thanks to the 30+ million of ps4 users who will now get shafted. It says right in the OP that games with ps4k as the lead platform will likely run like shit on the ps4 (and looking at how optimized some games are for it now, do imagine how it's gonna be when the ps4 will be ditched as lead platform, oh boy)

People supporting this going "B-BUT PC" conveniently ignore at least all the other advantages that go with PC. Here it's nothing but shite. And if you're not getting how bad this is for average consumers. It only benefits a small super-rich percentage at the detriment of everybody else
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Nowhere in the OP does it say that PS4 OG games will run like shit. Y'all can't seem to read. The OP's wording is terrible on that front. He says there will be performance sacrifices but that to me reads as though PS4 games just won't run as well as PS4k games. It doesn't explicitly mean that devs will just focus on PS4k and allow the game to run like dog shit for everyone else.

And Super-rich? LOL. Did you also have to be super rich to afford the PS4 at launch when that was $399 as well? Christ.
 
Welp, I guess this is it. I'll likely get a PS4k, but I'm not gonna be happy about it. And what's the intended lifecycle for that? 3 years? Ugh.

Need to time selling the PS4 just right to head off the inevitable drop in value.
 
what are the chances they are using PS4.5-like hardware to demo PSVR launch titles?

Are PSVR demos run off a current-spec console?
 
spwolf said:
you are not reading it right. 2x more powerful hardware should have significantly better looking game. Whats the problem?

You are trying to say that it means that developers will stop working on PS4 games as priority and just release crap while PS4k is the one that will get all of their attention... that just does not make any sense at all.
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The OP says that devs are making games that target and take advantage of the PS4Ks specs. That sounds like the PS4K will be the lead platform for games to me. The same article also says that OGPS4 versions will have considerable sacrifices made to them. Sony isn't going to release more expensive hardware without games made specifically to push it.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Except they've marketed PSVR for the PS4 and given gamers the impression a PS4 will do. Seems kinda shitty to get people excited and preorder one and then later on pull the rug from under them saying you have the wrong console.
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PS4 will do the same as it did last month when you didnt know about PS4K... it will do as well as all of those p/reviews on PS4 PSVR games that you read.

I would understand the outrage if Sony decided to stop supporting PS4 or even if they started gimping PS4 - but they are not and they wont. Their business is selling games. They are not making money on selling hardware - PS4 or PS4K or PSVR.

So this belief that they will gimp their userbase it dumb.

In the end, only reason you have to feel bad is that someone else can play some game at better resolution than you... which is silly IMHO.


I think some of the people will feel vindicated if Sony does not have 100+ patches for PS4K to use that Console better with old games. Which is entirely stupid but hey what can you do, people are people.
 
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