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[Beerman462]

Batman Arkham Knight turned out great!

Mortal Kombat X

Both Warner Brother's games and both on the superior hardware. The only thing it is predictive of is shit WB ports on PS4K not the other way around. lol

 

[Krejlooc]

better than a 980 Ti for $399

gaf you so crazy

two 7870s is better than a 980ti lol

 

[Lingitiz]

For the people who already bought a PS4 (Me included) why would it matter if you don't buy a PS4K? this is for new people to have more of a reason to buy it, you might be jealous & upset about a better PS4 being out for new people to buy but how is this a bad thing for the people who haven't bought a PS4 yet? then we have the people who haven't bought one then claiming that they are not going to buy one because of this, how does this even hurt you in anyway? if anything this should make you happy that you're able to get a console this powerful in a time where consoles have to be lower powered because of government laws.

As it's been repeated, with developers seemingly targeting the higher spec system, we're in a semi-crossgen situation again where devs optimize for the PS4K and downgrade for the weaker system.

You might say "oh well isn't the situation on the PC?" Well no it's not. Most AAA games on the PC are developed with the console as the baseline and most of the added on bells and whistles are things brute forced by the strength of the hardware. In this situation I can see a lot of PS4 versions of games not receiving the right attention they need.

In a single console situation, devs don't have much of a choice but to try and get the most out of the hardware they are given. And even then how many console games have we had that just run like unacceptably? I count a few big ones from last year. Do we really expect developers to improve on that front now that there's a higher spec console they can target for?

 

[OBias]

It's like going from a GTX 950 (.5 the PS4's GPu is abit more powerful) to a GTX 960 (.5 the Ps4k would be - assuming rumors are correct be slightly more powerful).

Closer to a GTX 970 if it is twice as powerful.

 

[kyser73]

As an early adopter I will be pissed if this is true . Same goes with my Xbox one , I already feel I got abit shafted being an early adopter to that system .

But I was content with both as I expected them to last at least 5 years . Forcing us to upgrade is a terrible decision , I would have been OK with a minor upgrade where games would run on all systems but if his is true games will be only pkayable on the new system .

Seeing this a lot.

Stop calling yourselves early adopters.

You don't have the mindset for it if you're crying about an upgrade to hardware that will be 3 years old if you were Day 1.

Being an early adopter is inherently risky, and we have less to bitch about than someone who bought their console yesterday.

 

[onQ123]

::scratches head:: The rumors about "incremental upgrade consoles" started with MS though so...

Yeah I know but do you think they will make a move that would push the console back up to $399 when sells have been falling? & they can use the PS for their high end market?

 

[get2sammyb]

My guess they would announce it at Gamescom or Paris Games Week.

Agreed. But they'd kill all of their holiday sales practically stone dead if people knew a better one was coming after Christmas. This sounds ridiculous to me.

Why was God of War IV stylised "GoW4" on an official presentation? I just don't buy any of it.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Oh f*** off with that lazy logic. There is a substantial difference in buying a console and expecting it to at least be a comfortable for the next 5-6 years at least until a next generation, and a new iteration which is for all intents and purposes a PS5 except in name 3 years and a half after launch, and said launch had suffered a drought for the first 2 years.

People are going out of their way to find dumber and dumber examples to discredit any arguments

Its not close to a ps5 though. Generational increases are typically more like an 8-10x increase. This wouldnt even be a 4.5 really.

 

[EventHorizon]

Oh f*** off with that lazy logic. There is a substantial difference in buying a console and expecting it to at least be a comfortable for the next 5-6 years at least until a next generation, and a new iteration which is for all intents and purposes a PS5 except in name 3 years and a half after launch, and said launch had suffered a drought for the first 2 years.

People are going out of their way to find dumber and dumber examples to discredit any arguments

The illogic on display here is amazing. There will be no change to PS4 games at all. The only thing that changes is that some games will look even better on another console. This is the same warped and entitled logic that drives people to go insane when previously exclusive games go multiplatform.

"How dare anyone have anything better than my precious? My precious....my precious...game console"​

 

[Marty Chinn]

We will be more or less at the midpoint of a classical generation when the PS4K releases. The point where usually there's a hardware refresh in terms of size, colors, diferent sized hard drives, etc. That's usually targeted to more price sensitive users that wait for a price decrease at the latter half of the life cycle. That crowd will have the OG PS4 as their SKU of choice. Lower the price, add a bigger HDD, smaller case. Done. People that already have a console usually only buy a new slimmer model if their console is broken or about to be, or if they want to have an extra console for the bedroom or a sibling. With a premium SKU, price aligned with the OG PS4 launch price, the PS4K will target a more tech sensitive crowd. The people that won't mind to pay another 400$ every 3 years to stay at the top of the wave. There will be some overlap in these groups of course, but with this strategy Sony wants to try to please these two groups and keep them engaged in the platform. And that including a second platform, PSVR, linked to the PS4 that will greatly benefit from a souped up PS4.

I'm not convinced that there are a large number of these tech sensitive people that either would never have bought a PS4 otherwise, or wouldn't have already just gone the PC route. Like you said, at this point in the life of the system, I think it's more about getting people on the price point and value. I don't think it's necessarily the performance that's holding back sales growth.

 

[blue_phazon]

Oh f*** off with that lazy logic. There is a substantial difference in buying a console and expecting it to at least be a comfortable for the next 5-6 years at least until a next generation, and a new iteration which is for all intents and purposes a PS5 except in name 3 years and a half after launch, and said launch had suffered a drought for the first 2 years.

People are going out of their way to find dumber and dumber examples to discredit any arguments

Your PS4 will last the rest of the generation for 3 more years. And no, PS4K is not a PS5. It's just a better version of a PS4. PS5 will come 6 years from the launch of PS4. The PS4K is optional.

 

[Maxrunner]

Let's hope this doesn't turn too well for Sony.

 

[Sub_Level]

No trade in program?

Come on, Sony.

Even if Sony doesn't do one, I'd bet good money (so like a hundred bucks) that retailers like Gamestop will have some sort of program. Get $100 credit and that sort of thing.

 

[DangerMouse]

I really don't think the technical quality of the games will drop on the base PS4 once the PS4K comes out, simply because Sony will still be selling it until at least 2018. PS4K isn't meant to outright replace the PS4, that's where the big difference with phones and the likes is.

The way I see it, nothing will change for those who want to keep their early PS4, while those who want better performance now have the option to upgrade. I only see positives.

I'll be the first to blame Sony if the games are not up to par on the base PS4 but I just don't see that happening.

Hopefully this is the case, and they'll need to prove it. They'll have to show that their quality control won't allow these games running on the base version to run like trash.

If a ps4k optimized game doesn't run well on the ps4, you need to consider that it wouldn't have run well without it neither.

People disappointed by the news should prove exactly why optimizing for ps4k is hurting the ps4, this line of thinking doesn't make any sense with the informations we have.

I think this is what people are fearing:
For the first point, with a fixed target like PS4 the game should be optimized and fixed to where it at least runs decently, since devs know that that's the version their reputation hinges on. Now they won't necessarily have to do that with the PS4K out there.

For the second point, it's potentially hurting the PS4 when devs start targeting PS4K, which this report says that some already will, since the game might run like shit on the old system.

 

[fastmower]

Agreed. But they'd kill all of their holiday sales practically stone dead if people knew a better one was coming after Christmas. This sounds ridiculous to me.

Why was God of War IV stylised "GoW4" on an official presentation? I just don't buy any of it.

Good point. Seems stupid to release Q1.

 

[Lister]

Calm down.
As I said, I've never had a high-end gpu so I have no idea how gpu scales at all. I can only check them on gpu comparison sites to see the clock numbers and stuff.

Then why are you spouting nonsense. If I don't know about subject X, you won't see mee asserting things about subject X.

Also, I'm not mad, though I get that's the thing to do to try and deflect, I'm more bemused.

 

[texhnolyze]

Closer to a GTX 970 if it is twice as powerful.

It's not really that impressive if true.
Yes it'll run games at 60fps but not on high settings. Disappointing.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yeah I know but do you think they will make a move that would push the console back up to $399 when sells have been falling? & they can use the PS for their high end market?

Sure, since sales would fall even more if they didn't. Plus, the original Xbox One would more than likely still be on shelves for $299 (or less).

 

[The God]

Tried of the "Sony would never ____" lines.

A lot of us thought Sony wouldn't not make an upgraded console, and here we are. So things like PS4K exclusives and shit OGPS4 versions of games should not be out of the question imo

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Cocky Sony turning into Saturn era Sega. Yeah, good luck wiih that. Friggin' idiots.

 

[Son Of D]

So am I right in assuming this is a "New 3DS" equivalent? I can't see there being that many exclusives for it. Although some games later in the gen will probably run poor on Vanilla PS4 that the 4K is the only way to really play it.

 

[DietRob]

Everything you just listed has a buissiness model that doesn't even remotely compare to consoles.

Do you even know the mark-up on those products?

Say hello to your $850 PS4K if we're going to those models.

I don't understand where you are trying to go with this. Why are we even discussing mark-up? Maybe I am articulating my point poorly. Getting upset that a three year old piece of tech is going to be upgraded and sold to those wanting to buy it is silly to me. Is it because it's not being called a PS5? That is the conclusion I'm coming to.

If this leak was that Sony is developing and planning to release a PS5 that is fully backward compatible with the PS4 and PS5 games are able to be played on the old hardware I feel like the tone would be overwhelmingly positive.

 

[spwolf]

On PC the end user can customize the options to get their desired performance.
If a PS4 game is made with PS4K as a target and then has terrible performance at sub 30fps , that won't ever, ever change. This is why the comparison with PC makes no sense whatsoever. the user has zero control. The PS4K is only a rumour at this momento and the PS4 is already full of terrible performing sub 30fps messes.
The PS4K release will only make this worse.

first of all, target means that it runs on PS4. So PS4, PS4K would be "targets".

Then, PS4 is full of sub 30fps messes?

 

[Padinn]

Isn't Q1 2017 when the Zen APU comes out?

 

[XxRampage07xX]

...but they will look better on the PS4K. This is what is causing most of the issue and will divide the player base.

Just read any DF thread for a major release game to know this will be major issue for most people. Having games that 'still look great' just won't cut it for alot of people when they know there is a superior version out there from the same console manufacturer no less.

Why are console manufacturers not supposed to make newer and better hardware?

 

[SmokedMeat]

Guess it's back to Nintendo + PC for me.

Spoiler

Ninty please no incremental NX upgrades.

Back to Nintendo? It's the same exact thing with them, only you're buying the new system, because the current one can't make it past four years.

 

[vpance]

Agreed. But they'd kill all of their holiday sales practically stone dead if people knew a better one was coming after Christmas. This sounds ridiculous to me.

Why was God of War IV stylised "GoW4" on an official presentation? I just don't buy any of it.

People will still pick up the $250-$299 slim model. They'll just defer some sales to Q1 for the waiters of 4K.

That is if people even want PS4K! Doesn't seem like it from this thread.

 

[rambis]

So, how powerful it is then?

PS4 is 1.8 Tflops FP32 so an absolute double is like 3.6.

That would put it around a 380 power wise.


That being said I dont see them launching a console with something that powerful.

 

[PhazonBlazer]

Hope GameStop and other places have good trade in deals toward it

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

As it's been repeated, with developers seemingly targeting the higher spec system, we're in a semi-crossgen situation again where devs optimize for the PS4K and downgrade for the weaker system.

You might say "oh well isn't the situation on the PC?" Well no it's not. Most AAA games on the PC are developed with the console as the baseline and most of the added on bells and whistles are things brute forced by the strength of the hardware. In this situation I can see a lot of PS4 versions of games not receiving the right attention they need.

In a single console situation, devs don't have much of a choice but to try and get the most out of the hardware they are given. And even then how many console games have we had that just run like unacceptably? I count a few big ones from last year. Do we really expect developers to improve on that front now that there's a higher spec console they can target for?

This isn't true. It is more likely devs optimize for the PS4 and then naturally the PS4K would more easily reap the benefits.

I am no developer but the way I have understood it from following devs targeting a lower spec model and getting it to run great on that makes it that much easier to run and enhance it for better models. For instance Robert from Zeboyd has mentioned that the optimization of Cosmic Star Heroine for the Vita and getting it to run at 60fps have had positive effects on the PS4 version.

If all games have to pass cert for the base PS4 it is in the best interest of developers to focus on that version, because if they can make that the best that it can be then the PS4K version will that much better as well. Nevermind the fact that the base PS4 is always going to be he biggest share of the market.

 

[onanie]

Mind blown. I can see that a PS4 game will never match the performance of a theoretical PS4K game, even if the former received infinite optimisation. Particularly if the hardware architecture remains essentially the same but just with more horsepower, software optimisations will likely benefit both hardware levels simultaneously. This preserves the development benefits of a single hardware platform, without its obvious disadvantage.

Are existing PS4 users screwed? Perhaps if they have never had the feeling of building a high end PC To me, a $400 upgrade is palatable mid-cycle, at three years.

 

[The Xtortionist]

Hopefully before launch Sony curates a list of existing games that will be patched to take advantage of the PS4K hardware. Knowing beforehand that games such as Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, and Uncharted 4 will be upgraded would make me much more likely to pre order.

 

[El_Chino]

The salt in here is incredible.

I don't really understand it.

It's not like Sony said "we won't be releasing an upgraded PS4" and then lie about it.

 

[Tainted]

Agreed. But they'd kill all of their holiday sales practically stone dead if people knew a better one was coming after Christmas. This sounds ridiculous to me.

People were still buying PS3/360's after the new consoles came out...so I don't think it will have much effect. Especially if they announce a cheaper PS4 slim

There is already a healthy library of PS4 games whereas games optimised for the PS4K may be some time off...plus I tihnk this thing is going to be heavily targeted to the PSVR crowd which may limit its appeal.

 

[OBias]

It's not really that impressive if true.
Yes it'll run games at 60fps but not on high settings. Disappointing.

With this kind of performance gap the concern for developers making shitty versions of their games for the regular PS4 doesn't make sense. It's certainly nowhere close to the PS3/PS4 crossgen situation.

 

[Celcius]

Wasn't it a Hybrid hard drive?

Yep, sshd.

 

[panthapanda]

Wow. Exactly what I feared. GT Sport too? I'll pay 200$ for this thing with my trade in but that's it.

 

[midasmulligan]

So what would a 2x GPU translate into at today's PC GPUs? With pasacal right around the corner, is the ps4k going to be playing catch up in a year again?

 

[Lister]

Closer to a GTX 970 if it is twice as powerful.

Nope. The PS4 is 1.8 TFLOPS, IIRC. The GTX 960 is 2.3 to 2.6 depending on version, the 970 is 3.5 to 3.9 depending on version, so a LOT closer to 960 territory here.

 

[jeffram]

We have seen it everytime a new more powerful hardware iteration of a product arrives, software in the lesser hardware starts getting worse.

And that's typically over multiple generations of products. This is one revision after 3 years.

No one is standing over your plate shitting on it.

 

[GooWop]

I'm in. Can't wait to buy it..

Same here.

I've bought 3 different ps4 systems since its launch.
3 launch consoles and the anniversary console. It will be 4 after the UC4 bundle drops. I've been here since day1. I don't feel like Sony will be betraying me lol. I honestly would be more pleased with a performance boost of their software output. Can't say i haven't been disappointed. I'm sure UC4 will fix that, but even that has been delayed numerous times.

I would honestly like this model though. Make it consistent so I know when the new console will be available. People compare this situation to phones. I don't upgrade my phone everytime a new model comes out. You have a choice. I had a galaxy s4 until December 15 lol. Upgrade when you feel the time is rite for you, would be my take on it.

 

[Zaventem]

No trade in program?

Come on, Sony.

This for real. I guess i gotta sell my shit after i'm done with dark souls 3.

 

[CJVaughn]

I've owned inferior hardware for my entire fucking life, and now that I finally have a PS4 by the next year it will be inferior yet again. Not to mention I can totally see games making use of PS4K's advantages suffering significant downgrades when ported to original hardware or being CANCELLED out right, making games exclusive to PS4K. Very worried about this, money-wise I won't be able to afford this for a few years especially if there's no trade-in program.

I'm sorry bud, but if you're playing on consoles you will always be playing on inferior hardware

 

[jeffram]

The salt in here is incredible.

I don't really understand it.

It's not like Sony said "we won't be releasing an upgraded PS4" and then lie about it.

They in fact, said they MIGHT be releasing an upgraded PS4.

 

[texhnolyze]

Nope. The PS4 is 1.8 TFLOPS, IIRC. The GTX 960 is 2.3 to 2.6 depending on version, the 970 is 3.5 to 3.9 depending on version, so a LOT closer to 960 territory here.

Lol, that's even more underwhelming.
People expecting 4K native and 60fps games will be disappointed.

 

[Marty Chinn]

This for real. I guess i gotta sell my shit after i'm done with dark souls 3.

Anyone expecting, hoping, or praying for a trade in program is probably going to be in for a rude awakening. There will be trade in deals; it just won't officially be from Sony.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Its not close to a ps5 though. Generational increases are typically more like an 8-10x increase. This wouldnt even be a 4.5 really.

That really only applied to RAM for PS4 this time though didn't? Plus you never believe the manufacturer claims, anyway.

Didn't Sony claim 2TF for PS3 with creative maths? PS4 weaker than PS3!

 

[kyser73]

No trade in program?

Come on, Sony.

If they haven't finalised a spec & price, they sure as shit won't have even started talking to retail partners about trade-in schemes.

 

[Lister]

So what would a 2x GPU translate into at today's PC GPUs? With pasacal right around the corner, is the ps4k going to be playing catch up in a year again?

It would alreayd be playing catch up I guess, depending on what you mean by that.

It would be a bit more powerful than a non OC'ed (stock) GTX 960, or a match for a slightly OC'ed GTX 960. That's a notch above an entry level PC GPU.

The 970 is considerbaly more powerful, the 980 ti even more so.

 

[Nimby]

I'm sorry bud, but if you're playing on consoles you will always be playing on inferior hardware

Obviously. Console wise, the PS4 is the best on the market. How are we supposed to know the gap these upgrades make? What I'm worried about is if it feels like another console-gen behind