Really they should have made a game from the base up designed for 3DS hardware, no porting at all, the system wasnt meant for that game. But this is just like how I hope devs make games designed from the base up to run well on PS4(and/or Xbox One for that matter) hardware rather then designing a game for PS4K hardware and gimping it down for PS4. The former results in a better experience for an OG PS4 owner.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Really they should have made a game from the base up designed for 3DS hardware, no porting at all, the system wasnt meant for that game. But this is just like how I hope devs make games designed from the base up to run well on PS4(and/or Xbox One for that matter) hardware rather then designing a game for PS4K hardware and gimping it down for PS4. The former results in a better experience for an OG PS4 owner.
DarkStar189
Neo Member
I have no interest in the 4k feature of this. It's the VR part that worries me. People are worried about splitting the system and games up. Would they really split the user base of the PSVR that quickly? I hope not.
David Ricardo
Member
The catch is if they tell you upfront you need both PSVR and PS4k to enjoy the VR experience, you might think Oculus isn't that much more expensive even if you already own a PS4. But if they sell you VR for the PS4, they lock you as a PSVR customer. And then, if you later want higher quality VR experiences, you will buy a PS4k that runs all the VR games you already have at higher quality, maybe even games that you may have as No Man's Sky would be VR compatible in the PS4k.
It looks to me like they are really worried that PS4 is not going to be powerful enough for VR and people are going to spend crazy amounts of money to get a better VR experience.
And also, for new customers that don't own any hardware, PS4k + PSVR for 900$ will be a great value proposition.
casual_gamer
Banned
Don't think so... think upscaling, and more importantly PSVR. I bet most of the targeted games will be PSVR-based
chromatic9
Member
Greatness awaits, for those who waited.
A few days from now, I think we should have a vote on the best post Sony is doomed post in this thread.
Alex
Member
I'm curious to see how this goes, I think in theory it's a good idea but it's really up to the execution. The main pitfall to avoid would be performance issues on the older hardware, you're going to build a lot of disdain if that occurs on any regular basis. That's an issue you don't really face with mobile or even PC. I mean if first gen PS4 games turn into last gen PS3 games due to supremely half-assed optimization then there's going to be some hefty backlash.
That said while this is all (hopefully) well and good for the main ecosystem of users I can absolutely see people in my situation starting to bow out from Sony hardware in the future. Personally I own a PS4 for a handful of exclusives and if I have to purchase and maintain new hardware on a regular basis then personally I'd just rather not bother with the system at all.
That said while this is all (hopefully) well and good for the main ecosystem of users I can absolutely see people in my situation starting to bow out from Sony hardware in the future. Personally I own a PS4 for a handful of exclusives and if I have to purchase and maintain new hardware on a regular basis then personally I'd just rather not bother with the system at all.
That will certainly happen for ambitious titles, just like we already have titles that do not run particularly well on the PS4. It'll be hard to know if a game would have actually been designed to better meet the PS4's specs, since games with bad performance would exist anyway. I expect that in the majority of cases developers will just target the vanilla consoles and use the headroom on the new consoles for optional, simple improvements. Everything else would not make sense from a business point of view.
Straight Edge
Member
Lol at the comments suggesting a trade in program or "upgrade path". When has this ever happened?
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Waste of resources. This shows that Sony has bailed out of pushing the PS4 to its absolute limits.
IndoAssassin
Banned
Will this fix the Anisotropic Filtering problem?
Three things.
1. Sony wants to sell 4K blu rays
2. Sony wants to sell 4K TVs.
3. PS4 is very underpowered for VR as is. The power boost will help VR games.
It's not about 4K gaming.
The biggest worry/issue I have with this is regarding the development time for AAA games. Three years is pretty much a minimum for caliber similar to Uncharted 4, Quantum Break, The Last of Us, GTA games take five or six years, Red Dead is probably four or more...etc.
They are refreshing hardware faster than these developers can put out games, meaning the developers will never really master the hardware to tap as much of the potential as possible.
They are refreshing hardware faster than these developers can put out games, meaning the developers will never really master the hardware to tap as much of the potential as possible.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
LOL yea. The whole post is funny. "Gross" has lost all meaning over the past few years. Now I'm just waiting to hear someone use the term "Problematic" haha
farmerboy
Member
LMAO. So true.
Absolute worst-case scenario for PS4K -- It plays all normal PS4 games and ends up having just a handful of exclusive games that take advantage of its extra graphical power and never launches in Japan.
This did launch in Japan, and nowhere else.
But turns out to be my favorite looking failed console.
This did launch in Japan, and nowhere else.
But turns out to be my favorite looking failed console.
crazygambit
Member
I think that's the right move though.
The games were made with a very specific hardware in mind, if you let them run wild on a different hardware you might see all sorts of issues. I'm thinking the PS4K would default to a mode that emulates the PS4 exactly, but with the ability to upscale to 4k. So if developers want to use the extra power they'd need to check nothing breaks first (most won't bother though).
On the subject of upscaling, what do I want upscaling a game, the PS4k, my receiver or my TV? Like who would do a better job there?
EventHorizon
Member
If the rumor is true then this is a year out. How in the world is this screwing over people who just bought their console. For one thing, people who just now bought a PS4 obviously are not that concerned about getting the latest and greatest. Why would those consumers be upset because a more expensive upgraded console that would come out over a year later?
Once again that analysis makes no sense. The market share for a new more expensive PS4K coming out after Christmas is going to be absolutely tiny compared to the existing PS4 install base at that time. Make no mistake, devs are going to make absolutely sure that their games will run on the PS4. They'll just include more bells and whistles on the PS4K version as the additional resources allow.
Anthony Soprano
Member
The implication is that the hardware is built off of the same architecture and will be easy to port. I would assume developers can simply choose to downscale and release games that render with lower and higher texture filtering, AA and resolution depending on which console it's being run from.
Night Angel
Member
Thinking realistically, your PS4 will run PS4k games at about the spec they'd run them absent the existence of a PS4k. I'm not particularly happy about this, but framing the situation as is the PS4 is going to be downgraded is ridiculous. The PS4 target hasn't changed, and while maybe it won't be polished quite as much I don't see a future where low effort ports to the massive PS4 userbase is likely.
Once again, though, a lot is riding on the execution of this idea. If the PS4k gets exclusives before the end of a typical console lifespan, I'll hate everything and jump on the "Sony is scum" bandwagon.
Much like the idea of the XB1.5, I'm not convinced of the general marketability of mid-season upgrades.
Mr. Giggles
Member
That's my feeling as well. I'm sitting here looking at my PS3 library and I have 57 AAA physical games - not including PS+ games OR remasters
My PS4 library? 13 AAA physical games and 1 digital AAA game (including remasters)
But hey, who needs games right? It's all about asinine shit like how manys P's/FPS's my plastic box is outputting
Fuck this makes me mad
GameAddict411
Member
I agree. I mean if we look at what Sony first party did so far, it's pretty bad. Santa Monica have been silent and Naughty Dog is releasing their first PS4 game in a couple of months(slightly less).
meanspartan
Member
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying it is a scummy thing to do. As far as I'm concerned, the longer they don't openly speak about Ps4.5, the more they are misleading people preordering PSVR. The hidden cost outside of the first wave of releases may very well be a new Ps4. Not cool.
TLZ
Banned
How?
ArkhamFantasy
Member
They can do #1 and #2 with a normal slim model.
Are you an expert?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Why upscale when it can uprender?
You just said yourself 4K tvs' already upscale, there's no reason for the console to upscale as well.
Uncharted 4 is going to be worth like 3 really good games though
Great math there buddy, even by your claculation it's pretty much a 970, "mid range PC", 970 is mid range now? righhhhht.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
If nothing, this will just stress out AAA devs more.
This is a dark timeline. This foolishness is going to cost more than people understand. Folks can continue to compare it to cell phones all they like, the video game industry and consoles are not even remotely comparable to multi-purpose devices known as cell phones.
But eh. Some folk have to learn lessons the hard way it seems.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
If this is true it is not an upgraded PS4, it is a PS5.
So the new console generation starts between second half of 2016 and first few months of 2017 with Nintendo NX, PS4k and XOneTwo.
Shortest Console cycle ever.
So the new console generation starts between second half of 2016 and first few months of 2017 with Nintendo NX, PS4k and XOneTwo.
Shortest Console cycle ever.
Well like I said before, $400-500 for a UHD player is a good deal compared to what Samsung is raping people for their player, especially a console that will play apps the best due to its overhead and better quality antenna. It also plays legit games.
I'm fine with this. Don't need consoles falling behind and dragging on holding back gaming again for an eternity. Especially consoles that were no where near cutting edge at launch this time.
So I guess "PSPoor" will be slung around now after all. Wow.
I'm fine with this. Don't need consoles falling behind and dragging on holding back gaming again for an eternity. Especially consoles that were no where near cutting edge at launch this time.
So I guess "PSPoor" will be slung around now after all. Wow.
StreetDisciple
Member
The only reason I'm pissed is because I bought a second PS4 in November. I guess I'll sell it for a couple hundred when PS4K hits shelves.
meanspartan
Member
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The PSVR will also have a tiny install base. If anything, PSVR and Ps4.5 will grow together. Of course devs will target Ps4.5 for VR not long after launch.
Yeah!
They can even put a upscaler inside it for the games if they think this is so important to their business plan.
But changing specs?
opticalmace
Member
Maybe Microsoft is preparing new hardware, so they're forced to do the same. MS has talked about it openly. Just an idea.
bitbydeath
Member
They won't be porting down so lay your fears to rest. No porting required.
Killing_Joke
Member
Give me at least $150-$200 for the trade in and i'm there day one. Sorta want UC4 to be delayed now but launching with GOW4 is.....Giving me tingles in my naughty areas. Hype.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Lol, what? I can't even...
What is so great about buying a new console mid-gen for greater performance? PC already do it like... Always? It's just not interesting for most console consumers.
This generation basically just started. Yeah, we're 2 years in this gen (which by the way is not much), but just recently we started to receive the good wave of exclusive productions! Some people are jumping into this gen just now!
Also, releasing a new and stronger hardware is no innovation. Specially when this stronger hardware still isn't even the top PC tech we already have.
Wow, this gen got you pretty hard.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Why? Did Sony change the PS2 when the Gamecube and Xbox came out?
I totally disagree, a PS5 would be more than 2x, 2.5x or 3x more powerful than PS4.
The saving grace for the ps4.0 will be its install base will be huge, it will probably be like it was for the first two years of ps4, last gen ports, or games that truly target both consoles, which I feel hurts the new one more...ie, Destiny... It had nothing next gen other than pixel count.
Ps4k owners will have the pretty game, but doubtful any experience not duplicated on the OG
Ps4k owners will have the pretty game, but doubtful any experience not duplicated on the OG
GameAddict411
Member
As far as PS4K goes, I really hope devs don't waste time going back to current gen games and remastering them for 60fps/higher fidelity.
What the fuck? It was 'Early Access' on PC back then, the current price on Steam is $49.99 now it's been officially released...you donkey.
What the fuck? It was 'Early Access' on PC back then, the current price on Steam is $49.99 now it's been officially released...you donkey.
In order to ouput 4K they have to update the hardware. While they're in there why not up the hardware overall? I mean both consoles have been underwhelming power-wise since launch. Add in VR and it makes sense why they're doing this.