PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

casual_gamer said:
I'm beginning to believe this is a trick - April Fools. I do believe a 4K is coming, but only for the UHD functionality. I don't think the PS4 becomes obsolete any time soon
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this isn't an April Fools thing, it is soooooo obviously a controlled leak, it's not even funny.

random internet user spills the beans in a forum, and "I asked and I am allowed to say it"...aha, lol.

yeah we are all 4 y.o.

sure, Sony, you are totally not wanting to test the waters before being upfront, so as to avoid a shitstorm, like when MS was fool enough to reveal their DRM plans destroying any chance they had this generation.
 
EricTheCleric said:
no

https://twitter.com/NeoGAF/status/715286129860329472
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Omnistalgic said:
As long as this doesn’t happen, I’m cool...
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The game doesnt have to be PS4k exclusive to hurt PS4 owners.

Right now every developer is getting as much out of the PS4 as possible, that will not be the case when this comes out, and developers will likely target 30 FPS for the PS4k, which would lead to sub 30 FPS games on PS4.

This is a disaster for everyone involved.
 
This reminds me of the way AMC "split" the last seasons of Breaking Bad and Mad Men. Yo, AMC, if it's seperated by a year it's a new season. An abbreviated season, but a different season none the less.

This seems like a much bigger advancement than, say, the DSi or N3DS. But I wonder if it will still have the same result, where there's very little software to take advantage of the features due to the larger majority of the install base having the older hardware.
 
thuway said:
He wouldn't be the first person in this thread to somehow link OPTIONAL hardware upgrades to consumer restrictions :/.
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It's almost as if they could both have drastic effects on the console industry as a whole. Look, I know you really like Sony, but perhaps some people view this as potentially dangerous.

It's not really all that shocking.
 
Khayam said:
You still get 99% of the full app experience on an iPhone 6 even if there is an 6s. The new things are gadget stuff that you might care about but the point is you have access to 99% of the app experience : 99% of the apps work just as well on one or the other.

It's not true for consoles. 99% of the games won't work as well on the PS4 and the PS4.5. If they did, the 4.5 would barely have a reason to exist.
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Well it could just render them in hi-res I guess, but point taken, phone apps don't need to be such performance hogs.
 
gundamkyoukai said:
No this is welcome to how the rest of products are in the world .
Even more so when it comes to tech .
Name one tech product that takes 5 to 6 years to upgrade .
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More like, welcome to consumer electronics.

stan423321 said:
HWL is a recent case of outrage for O3DS owners because KT made it behave like in the "darkest timeline PS4k scenario", compared to rather mild but understandable earlier NN3DS output. It basically sells itself entirely on NN3DS footage too.
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I get that scenario, but probably it should've been with a game that'll actually come out on PS4.

TimeEffect said:
OK, you know what would make this very tempting for me?

An Elite Dualshock 4.

+ 60 hour battery life
+ Quality build material
+ Improved analog rubber/design
+ PS VITA DPAD, or something
+ Paddles, paddles, paddles
+ Depressed PS Button (Like on the PS Move)

Do that, and I'm in baby.
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Eh, I don't think this is about the controller, and that could be done independantly from a console revision/upgrade/whatever.
 
MakeMeFeelAlive said:
This seems like a risky move. Yes, a lot of Sony fans will jump on it but you are opening the door to switch to another console. Also, I think this may hurt down the road. How many people will not buy a launch ps5 thinking that there will be an updated ps5 down the road. Obviously we need more information, but Sony may be playing a dangerous game
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I can see some people thinking "Why pay more for something that plays the same games but better when I can buy an xbone.5 and play some MS exclusives while keeping my ps4?" Then Sony would lose in the multiplat sales also as people buy multiplats on the better of the two.
 
spwolf said:
taking advantage of PS4K specs does not mean that they will spend more time on PS4K than on PS4.

For me, it is obvious that they will spend less time on PS4K since it is easier. It is like when some game gets parity between PS4 and XB1 and you wonder if they did not try with PS4 since it is more powerful... so with PS4K being 2x more powerful, it is much easier for them to use it and they spend more time optimizing for PS4.

And from development side, it is same platform and development tools just different resolution of assets and some effects like better version of anti-alias, etc, etc. They all exist in the tools, you can see how it looks in the pre-rendered trailer, etc, etc. They wont actually have to do new port like they do with XB1. It is same enviroment, just different setting which is super easy for them.
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Okay. You just interpret the OP differently than I do.
 
I'm not really buying into the doom and gloom scenarios here in this thread. The current PS4 userbase is way too big for companies to ignore. By the time the PS4k releases the PS4 will be well over 40 million consoles worldwide. Even if the PS4 is completely replaced by the PS4k at it's launch, then it will still take years for the 4k to catch up to the current hardware in sales.

If anything I imagine dev's would just keep targeting the original PS4 and focus on delivering a good experience on that, at least for a few years. Delivering a sub par product to the vast majority of your userbase is a great way to piss off your audience and get them to not buy your game.
 
Optimusdouche said:
I had been literally about to get a gaming PC after not having one for many years. But this definitely changes things.

PS4k sounds like it should be awesome and with plenty of power for 1080p gaming.
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Yep, if you want a hardware platform that runs games designed with inferior hardware in mind and which is going to be rendered obsolete in less than 3 years, buy a PS4k. You can't go wrong with that.
 
HotHamBoy said:
This reminds me of the way AMC "split" the last seasons of Breaking Bad and Mad Men. Yo, AMC, if it's seperated by a year it's a new season. An abbreviated season, but different season none the less.
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Yep, Sony took out the other GPU 3 years ago just to spread it out thinner.

Despicable.
 
OrbitalMatrix said:
Nowhere in the OP does it say that PS4 OG games will run like shit. Y'all can't seem to read. The OP's wording is terrible on that front. He says there will be performance sacrifices but that to me reads as though PS4 games just won't run as well as PS4k games. It doesn't explicitly mean that devs will just focus on PS4k and allow the game to run like dog shit for everyone else.

And Super-rich? LOL. Did you also have to be super rich to afford the PS4 at launch when that was $399 as well? Christ.
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Sorry but for me, in a world where stuff that are multiplatform are already either being downgraded to shit or just run sub-par, seeing "games on ps4 will take a performance drop" is pretty telling. You already gotta assume that most games first on PS4k will run at 60fps (which most have more of a chance to have boosted graphics at the cost of FPS). If something on ps4k runs sub-60, there's no chance in hell it will go smoothly on ps4. And even if it runs at 60, you will still have that sword over your head going "Yeah you're playing the same thing, but look at how shit it is". Companies don't just make new iterations without pushing consumers to upgrade. And over time, I'm pretty sure devs will cater less and less to original ps4 owners.

In any case, it's a lose-lose situation. Either the ps4k is really that much powerful, which won't be just a "minor" hit on ps4 users. Or it will just be a tiny thing which will make it irrelevant but still segment the market.

Consoles are a luxury item already mate, and people who play games usually buy more than one already . I'm sorry to burst that privileged bubble of yours but it's not a small investment for a lot of people, which is why it's convenient when it doesn't drop every so often. Having suddenly a ps4k which could cost up to 500 bucks, which would be like 600 swiss francs here is a huge price. And that doesn't include VR, or price of games. That shit is not cheap and I feel actually a bit disturbed that people can throw around their money like that on electronics going "YEAH I LOVE THIS" when for most it's still quite an investment. Especially the core audience, which are still teens and young adults, who don't necessarily have a huge income

There is no winning here for consumers at large, only for big companies and yes, a handful of rich people who don't care that much about others
 
cyberheater said:
How long before we start seeing games that are PS4K only?
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Maybe some small titles or Sony-funded titles to get people to be interested in it for more than the updated performances on future games.

As for big multiplat games, or even big 1st party games, it's a non-sense unless you want to tell 40 millions people that you don't want their money.

So, for most games an meaningful ones, maybe not until PS5.
 
I am thinking, at least with the majority of AAA pubs, that the difference between PS4 and PS4K will be more along the lines of, in PC terms: PS4 will say have medium graphics settings and 4K will have high/ultra settings. Only a few games I think will be made 4K exclusive(at least early on), mostly those who are trying to push high VR graphics(Robinson, Eve Valkyrie), the odd 1st party game to showcase it's power(GOW4), and 3rd party games that have been made too high-spec to run on PS4 without sacrifices(Deep Down).

The biggest hint for this is the shift made to X86 for the PS4 for a more PC-like architecture. People had speculated that this would be the last console gen and they may be right but not how they were expecting. I think this could be Sony shifting to a process of releasing a more powerful version of current hardware every 3-4 years, being completely backwards compatible with the older versions being forwards compatible for 1-2 iterations before being obsolete in terms of new games(with some exceptions).
 
ArkhamFantasy said:
Then they are the heroes of E3 just like Sony was in 2013. "Hey you guys know that stupid thing that the other console is doing? We aren't doing that".

*crowd goes wild*.
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Ridiculous. I can't understand why anyone would be please with Microsoft sticking to the already inferior platform.

I don't understand anyone upset about this news. Its very clear how poor consoles are performing this gen. This is the shot in the arm they need.
 
I thought 4k TVs were like 3d TVs (as in they never took off)
I don't see what's the point on making the PS4k right now.

Darn it , I wish the power of the cloud was true and we never had to upgrade our consoles.
 
If they're really deciding between $399 and $499 w/ a beefier CPU, I hope they go for $499. Might as well go all out if you're gonna put out an updated console mid-gen. Leave the current PS4 on the market for people who just want a cheap gaming machine.
 
bzzt said:
I can see some people thinking "Why pay more for something that plays the same games but better when I can buy an xbone.5 and play some MS exclusives while keeping my ps4?" Then Sony would lose in the multiplat sales also as people buy multiplats on the better of the two.
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Or for people who already have a PS4 & Xbone, use the money for an NX?
 
If this is the way forward, PS4 to PS4.5 and PS5 to PS5.5, I will simply buy the .5 variants from now on. You avoid the early generation drought and get a revised, more powerful machine with a big library.

As an early adopter it's slightly annoying but isn't this just similar to the New 3DS?
 
You should look at the bright side here... probably $199 for a PS4 in the near future. Great for those who don't have a 4K TV. Same will probably happen for Xbox1, driving VG adoption rates to unseen levels.
 
Hype!

I need to sell my PS4 ASAP before this news spreads, otherwise the value will decrease.

Need to save up some cash for PS4K and NX :o
 
dragonzdogma said:
I thought 4k TVs were like 3d TVs (as in they never took off)
I don't see what's the point on making the PS4k right now.

Darn it , I wish the power of the cloud was true and we never had to upgrade our consoles.
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4K isn't half as sexy as HDR... which mostly comes with 4K, so there's that
 
dragonzdogma said:
I thought 4k TVs were like 3d TVs (as in they never took off)
I don't see what's the point on making the PS4k right now.

Darn it , I wish the power of the cloud was true and we never had to upgrade our consoles.
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No? It's a better resolution with far more content coming than 3D TVs could have ever had. It also doesn't require glasses to see the difference between 1080p and 4K on tvs.
 
casual_gamer said:
You should look at the bright side here... probably $199 for a PS4 in the near future. Great for those who don't have a 4K TV. Same will probably happen for Xbox1, driving VG adoption rates to unseen levels.
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In case you didn't hear from all the folks in this thread, the PS4 stops working the moment the PS4K is released. $199 paper weight.
 
I suppose this also supports PSVR becoming a iterative platform also

Faster PS4

Higher Resolution PSVR

Faster PSR

Higher Resolution PSVR

Rinse and repeat
 
Kazooie said:
If this is the way forward, PS4 to PS4.5 and PS5 to PS5.5, I will simply buy the .5 variants from now on. You avoid the early generation drought and get a revised, more powerful machine with a big library.

As an early adopter it's slightly annoying but isn't this just similar to the New 3DS?
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Oh, so you're a Tock kind of guy, eh?
 
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