Not entitled at all. The system is less than 5 years old and they are releasing an updated version. Really after the $400 price point? Fuck that shit. It's BS. They start making PS4k only games and I am done with Sony and will stick with my PC.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Not entitled at all. The system is less than 5 years old and they are releasing an updated version. Really after the $400 price point? Fuck that shit. It's BS. They start making PS4k only games and I am done with Sony and will stick with my PC.
Apoleptica
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I think this is what blows my mind the most, it feels like the 360 and PS3 generation has just ended like a month ago and already we are hearing about what is basically a ps5. It's crazy.
No.
And Im not buying PS5 on launch anymore.
Still tho not going back to PC Gaming either.
Im honestly thinking in upgrade mine to 4K ( not at launch, probably around end of 2017, early 2018) and only enter next gen when we have a PS5.5!
I don't think that's the right way to look at it. My understanding is, every game will have one SKU, and just two profiles for how to run.
Games won't be downported from the PS4k, just like they aren't downported from the PC to the PS4 now.
Or at least, that's the idea.
SneakyStephan
Banned
nah, that dx11 overhead is cpu overhead
also the hd5870 was a 2.7TF gpu on paper, yet the 1.8 TF hd7850 is a good 50-60 percent faster.
the 5870 has 50percent higher TF yet the 7850 is >50 percent faster
It goes to show that you can't use teraflop numbers to compare different architectures.
"new PS4K" or "PS4K U"
...Scatter...
Banned
360 and PS3 have been gone so long for me they might as well be the Dreamcast.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Yeah. I didn't want to miss out on certain games.
Only GAF posters said this. I'm definitely excited for GoW4.
eyeball_kid
Member
Who has been saying the PS4 is a "weak ass console"? All it takes is looking at games like DriveClub, Uncharted 4, and MGSV to know that's not true. I don't think most people who signed up with the PS4 for a normal console gen are saying that.
Matt could this not work like PC with in game "sliders"? that seem to be what you are saying with one SKU.
Of course these sliders would likely be present by devs and likely not user accessible..
or do you think they would need 2 different versions. As ps3 or ps4 versions for example but on one sku.
If they can make it work like PC "sliders" then you would have BC and only one version.
roadrunn3r
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You are both right, that was a horrible sentence on my part. What I meant is that you can't double the theoretical tflops of a PS4 and find the closest Nvidia card for a reference point. It's easier to compare with AMD cards and that would be a 380/380X that's it.
bitbydeath
Member
Be nice if they finished the story before moving on.
joecanada
Member
Lol you can easily get 5 years out of your ps4. Noone has even hinted that it will be obsolete next year or even later. This thread is hilarious. You aren't compelled to buy anything and everything. Also the shitty ports hyperbole is total BS
qa_engineer
Member
I say that about long running franchise. Any time i hear there's a new call of dooty, assassins creed, halo, far cry, and gears of war I die a little on the inside.
Night Angel
Member
But this makes no sense. Why can't they use the PS4 add a baseline and port to both the XB1.5 AND the PS4k? How does this change anything?
You might just need to take the L and move on.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So glad I sat this gen out.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I would have never purchased one if I had known this would happen. The hypocrisy of Sony pretending to be consumer friendly is now evident. They made fun of MS for its "no used
Games" at launch. This is a bigger slap in the face, imo.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I see this being said a lot .
What is the benefit of being stuck on tech for 6 years last gen was worst .
Why does every other consumer electronics have upgrades every year but consoles having one in 3 years is a bad .
I understand why people are upset in some ways but best to wait and see what happens .
TheHolyTurnip
Member
I bought mine like 8 months ago, off hype foe FFVII and Uncharted 4 for my son. I would have at the VERY least waited or, even more likely, just gone to PC.
I'm not super upset by an upgraded console, though i do think there's a lot of questions to be considered and the "Day 1, woohoo!" sentiment is ridiculous to me, but i went in with the idea that the ps4 i bought last year was going to be the same in strength as any revisions because there was no reason to think otherwise. The rug had been pulled out from under me and i don't appreciate that at all of this true.
Also, if all of this is true i will go to PC. I thought about it before getting a ps4 and if this is true it will solidify the decision. The upgrades should be cheaper than buying a new console every 3 years since i don't need to be a bleeding tech person and with a computer i have WAY more options in and outside of gaming as to what i can do for entertainment and such. Just being able to emulate PS2 games makes a PC that much more appealing to me than a ps4.5, along worth the other perks like not paying 50 bucks a year to play multilayer.
Not if the OP is to be believed...
Night Angel
Member
Because that's totally going to happen.
Fuck me, this is too much. The existence of a stronger PS4 means they both will have the same graphics, but the weaker one will be a sideshow. Heard it here first, folks. RIP gaming.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Microsoft: We're considering making Xbox like a smartphone, with frequent hardware updates.
Sony: What a coincidence, we're coming up with an upgraded PS4 too! Let us be the first and test the market! That way, any possible backlash will be on us!
Sony waht are you doing?
Sony: What a coincidence, we're coming up with an upgraded PS4 too! Let us be the first and test the market! That way, any possible backlash will be on us!
Sony waht are you doing?
If ps4k wasn't a thing, you'd still be a happy ps4 owner still standing on a rug?
SanguineShark
Member
We had some guy pretending this isn't a few pages back. He just couldn't fathom how this is anti-consumer in the long run. I wouldn't say it's worse than the no used games policy, but it's fucking up there.
I was really glad Sony was back on top, too. This is like finding out your grandma is a racist Trump supporter
Just a shitty overall feeling.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Joe six-pack buys a new $350 phone and a new $500 tablet every 2-3 years.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I have checked benchmarks (now and plenty of times in the past), a 970/290 is 2.5x (more in some games) the performance of a 7850.
compare
I don't see the point of claims like the ps4 gpu being between a 7870 and 7850 either, every single multiplatform game benchmark and comparison since launch has shown it to perform exactly like you expect a 7850 to perform.
Anyhow my point is that a 970 barely cuts it for 4k30 fps (and doesn't in some newer games), and that 2x a 7850 doesn't get you to 970 performance either.
They're better off going for a smooth locked 60 fps 1080p in most games than trying and failing to go for 30 fps at 40k
edit: and not related or aimed at you but I don't understand the complaints about a mid gen upgrade. It's not making the ps4 perform any worse or better than it did before and there is full backward and forward compatibility (something you usually don't get with a new console)
There's the fixed performance target argument (which was always a compelling reason to buy a console, to get that guaranteed tearing free performance), but how long has it been since developers stopped respecting the fixed performance target to actually deliver consistent performance? Most games already drop below their framerate target and/or suffer from screentearing anyhow. You can't lose something that you didn't have anymore to begin with.
I don't really see how a ps4.5 will affect any ps4 owners at all.
You still get the same gfx and performance whether a newer faster version exists or not.
edit 2: I just saw the benchmarks you added chromatic, those show that the 970 is not capable of 4k
32 average fps in mordor is not enough to get a playable framerate, you need a lot more than 32 average to not get constant dips below 30. Any ps4 game that currently runs at 30 fps locked would be running at a lot more than 32 fps average if vsync was turned off.
The 390 does better thanks to its abundance of memory bandwidth (970 has quite low memory bandwidth, even though it's still higher than ps4s), which reminds me: Surely they'll have higher bandwidth vram for their ps4k and not just use the same speed ram on the same memory bus. This info is missing from the OP
F'n no. Who the hell wants a gimped version of a console when you know damn well there is a better version out there with much better visuals?
Sony is REALLY STUPID making this move, if true. Sony has way too much PS4's out there now and to divide that userbase is a slap in all of our faces. I may just toss in the towel on console gaming and just sell my PS4 and buy another SSD for my PC or something.
I can see MILLIONS of PS4 owners saying this > Im sorta salty about my PS4 purpose now. I would not be able to sleep at night knowing there is a more graphically intense PS4 version out there that i missed out on since i spent my money on the original PS4.
Sure i can afford to upgrade but a lot of others won't...millions of others won't be able to.
Beerman462
Member
What? I have a 7870XT which is 2.9TF vs the 7870 2.5TF. I guess subjectively you could argue they play games at 30fps at a similar visual quality, but objectively the 7870 is capable of 30fps at higher settings.
The leak is twice the power. If you use common sense you stick to GCN architecture. BTW power estimates take architecture into account. The Flop numbers are the maximum these parts can attain.
Why are you surmising that the PS4K double numbers mean 2x the power plus efficiency gains? It is as we understand "double" the power. 3.64 or 7970 non GHz edition. You don't get to extrapolate that it's double the CUs, but more efficient at this stage.
Nope. Haven't got as much out of it as I'd want before even thinking about upgrading.
These industry wide moves are making more and more wary on buying consoles in general because the companies are right. Console tech does lag behind. I as a consumer though can't partake in that move.
CheDominik
Member
Excited for the new PS4. 400 Bucks for then 3 years worth of entertainment is solid value in my book. Sure the PS4's lifespan was extremly short, but I'm just a sucker for new tech.My wallet is definitely ready for this and PSVR.
Wow. Having the option for better graphics is like having a racist trump supporting grandma. I should find my post a few pages back for the irony. I'm sorry for your loss.
I hope so so so much. Otherwise this is a major kick to the balls
sony's endgame has always been control of the living room. dvd, blu ray, 4k? the whole 'for the gamers' thing from ps4 launch was a smart move they pulled while nintendo shit the bed on the console end and microsoft shot themselves in the foot.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Ha... I didn't even think about that. Would be the most epic and coordinated long con April fools ever.
SanguineShark
Member
Lol, I'm exaggerating but it still feels like betrayal.
It's that real, huh?
What does the OP mean by "considerable sacrifices", then? We all know that console developers priotize graphics over performance, after all. I expect we'll see similar visuals between the two systems, resolution notwithstanding, but performance? I think we're screwed.
qa_engineer
Member
If this is an elaborate setup for an April fools joke I will come at you like a spider monkey
Nope. The weaker one will play games with the same fidelity it does now.
You know what, I'm starting to agree. Much of the info in the OP isn't what I would expect to come out of a meeting with retailers and has a rather inflammatory tone. Why would they be talking to retailers about it a year out when specs and price aren't finalized, anyway?
I think it's going to be an easy sell tbh. Only a few 'hardcore gamers' would be opposed to this move.
Getting 32x vibes.
I'd have no problem with a new model featuring a BDXL drive (which PS4 should have had from the start), but this is something else. How could this not alienate the 45-50 million customers who will own PS4s by the time this is released and negatively impact their purchasing behavior once PS5 is launched?
Worst hardware idea since PSP Go.
If true.
I'd have no problem with a new model featuring a BDXL drive (which PS4 should have had from the start), but this is something else. How could this not alienate the 45-50 million customers who will own PS4s by the time this is released and negatively impact their purchasing behavior once PS5 is launched?
Worst hardware idea since PSP Go.
If true.
funkystudent
Member
If they announce it this year but release early 2017 that is a real risky move.
I wonder if they could do apple style a event a few weeks before its released.
I wonder if they could do apple style a event a few weeks before its released.
Beerman462
Member
So. If you bought a 2010 Mustang GT with 315HP and the very next year they released the 2011 Mustang GT at 420HP(This happened BTW) would you expect Ford to dictate a trade in value?
No. You would get what ever the dealers offered. In the same way you will get what ever retailers offer for PS4 trade ins.
I expect ps3 Bayonetta jank.