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[dragonyeuw]

Every console can be considered "vanilla" under this new model though. PS4K could probably be seen as the "vanilla PS5" -- especially since I'm sure there will be many titles that will be on both the PS4/PS4K and the PS5.

And the Ps1 ultimately was the vanilla Ps2, and so on? I supposes that's one interesting way of looking at it....

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Fragmentation of the user base.
Makes PS4 obsolete.
Makes PS4 VR obsolete.
Makes exclusives for PS4 not exclusive.
Piss Off parents.
Confuse consumers.
Exclusives sell consoles.
Screw early PS4 adopters.
Possibly screw early PS4K adopters.

Call it a PS5, update the specs again, release it in 2018/2019

 

[Beefy]

For those who don't have money to "burn" and are only complaining for that reason... stop wasting energy complaining on message boards and do something about changing that.

No need for this.

 

[pixellated_man]

Yep. You should go. There is a reason why people choose a console and in large part it has to do with the notion: "i dont want to have the PC gaming treatment with hardware upgrades, different versions and port jobs."

Nah. I've always preferred consoles over pc's and your cited reason is not the reason why. The (largely) plug and play nature of consoles, games on physical media (allows for sharing, trading in, selling - hardly ever buy games full price and on release), friends / family being on consoles and most importantly - exclusive games not available on PC are the reasons why I am a console gamer. And I am sure a lot of others prefer consoles for some of these very reasons too.

 

[Melchettsmoustache]

It'll be hard to tell when the PS4K becomes the only available PS4. Does the PS4K sell because being made better than the PS4 was a good idea, or does it sell because it's a PS4?

Don't know who's quote that is but it's not mine.

 

[Ranger X]

- there's a market for it
- x86 architecture makes it easier than ever to optimize for additional performance specs
- the technology will be available this year
- a competitor (existing or not) could easily make a console 2.5x ps4 performance and eat Sony's lunch for the next 3 years
- forwards / backwards compatibility is good and the future of console gaming, Devs won't have to choose which ps to support, and have a limited install base, multiple tiers will be support at once. They need to set precedent at some point.

That's the big guess here. "4k" could easily end up a fluke like "3D" and people not buying. Right now there's simply no content that is 4K and tv makers are really trying to force this on people. The need is absolutely not there. If Sony is good at creating this need with the PS4, the picture will get brighter. If not, this could end as a really bad guess by Sony.

 

[Metfanant]

Do you think if that Sony considered a class action from PS4 owners, who bought the console from the position of certainty on the representation of 10 year lifecycle.

10 year life cycle =/= flagship hardware for 10 years...it just means the hardware will be supported for 10 years...

Based on what we know, Sony has no intention of stopping support for the PS4

 

[Joel Was Right]

So I'd have to buy a 4K TV, for which there is absolutely no content for, and this new console, just to get upscaled resolutions and texture improvements on games designed for PS4/XB1?

 

[TheSlySoul]

I bet this will turn out like N3DS: "Do you want to play XC3DS? Too bad!!! Buy a n3ds."

Probably more like Hyrule Warriors Legends were the Original PS4 versions will be hot garbage. Cannot trust AAA developers to go in any other direction but this.

A big reason might be simply, that developers are unhappy. They have engines that can do magical things, but the hardware just can't support it and I can see this being frustrating as a developer.

Well, yeah they are catering to the AAA developer while putting pressure on developers who do not have the budgets to utilize games for PS4K.

 

[Theonik]

Sounds like PS4 owners will get to experience what it feels like to play games on an Xbox One.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Do you think if that Sony considered a class action from PS4 owners, who bought the console from the position of certainty on the representation of 10 year lifecycle.

OK this is just stupid. There were no guarantees of anything in terms of year of support and the fact PS4 will still be getting all these games albeit in inferior form makes this moot regardless.

Also when is Nintendo getting sued for Wii U?

 

[GHG]

No need for this.

So it's now ok to complain about a new product on the market simply because you can't afford it?

It's not like they are forcing anyone to buy it provided the games continue to come out on both versions.

 

[piratethingy]

Do you think if that Sony considered a class action from PS4 owners, who bought the console from the position of certainty on the representation of 10 year lifecycle.

What? Huh? How?

 

[Sidewinder]

plenty of people play on medium on PCs while plenty play on high, some on very high/ultra.
I don't see people raging because someone can play a game better. Better get used to it.


99% boils down to "I don't want anybody else to play something "better" than me". Can't be a financial issue cause if you can't save an Euro/Dollar a day until Q2017 then you're doing something really really wrong. Aside the fact that your PS4 will still have good resale value.

Yeah, why not get a second job or something, 599$$$$!!!1¨1!!1

Edit: Think it's time to leave this thread, waiting for official plan from Sony now.

 

[Bots are better than you]

Also when is Nintendo getting sued for Wii U?

When it's being revealed that NX is simply the same Wii U hardware with 2 times more beef on the GPU side?

 

[TheCanisDirus]

Do you think if that Sony considered a class action from PS4 owners, who bought the console from the position of certainty on the representation of 10 year lifecycle.

What... just... huh?! People bought something that works great and plays games. There were/are never any guarantees of some 10 year "lifecycle". It's 2016 and it's a piece of electronics! lol christ

 

[Camp Freddie]

I just noticed "Q1 2017"
Seriously?
How about you run an ad campaign saying "Only an idiot would buy the old PS4 for Christmas this year".
The XBone/PS4 were released just before Christmas for a reason.

I am really surprised that the PS4K rumors are true. Other than PSVR early-adopters and those crazy GAFers who upgrade every time a new slim model comes out, I don't see how this helps Sony at all.
I can only assume their hand has been forced by PSVR practically requiring more power than the existing PS4 can deliver.
Otherwise, it'll either make the PS4 obsolete (i.e. annoy existing customers) or be a negligible benefit (i.e. why bother upgrading).

I just hope developers don't throw PS4 under the bus so that they can market their games with all the crazy bullshots that a PS4K can provide.
It remains to be seen whether PS4 will feel like a negligible downgrade (cf XBone versions of most cross-platform games) or if it will feel like playing the inferior PS3 cross-gen version. Fingers-crossed it'll be the former, but that raises the question of why bother with a PS4 CPU/GPU upgrade instead of just adding a 4K blu-ray/upscaler.

In any case, I'll be skipping it. I'll keep buying consoles on a 6 year cycle, or switch to a living-room PC if a 3-year upgrade becomes a de facto requirement.

I expect we'll slowly move towards a phone-style ecosystem where we eventually just install games (or download codes) from the PSN store and games just have a minimum PSx.x version required. PSN certification will need to get tough to prevent publishers releasing games that perform like shit on the minimum version.

Buy shares in Digital Foundry now, because inter-system performance comparisons are going to get super important!

 

[Dahaka]

Yeah, why not get a second job or something, 599$$$$!!!1¨1!!1

You need a second job to save 1USD/€ a day? If yes, then you better question your career choices in life instead of complaining on a message board. Let's ignore (again) the resale value of your old PS4 and trade in programs which could bring this down to even 0,5$/€ a day.

 

[Liamc723]

Would you need a 4K TV to get the visual improvements out of a PS4K?

 

[Sidewinder]

You need a second job to save 1USD/€ a day? If yes, then you better question your career choices in life instead of complaining on a message board.

That was just a silly reminder of the infamous PS3 price debacle, already forgot about that one?

 

[OBias]

Imagine getting something like the equivalent of Black Ops 3 on PS3 on the current PS4 (port having been outsourced to a outside dev, feature cut and badly optimised).

This isn't going to happen with the PS4K GPU being only twice as fast. PS3 to PS4 is a far bigger jump than PS4 to PS4K.

 

[inki]

plenty of people play on medium on PCs while plenty play on high, some on very high/ultra.
I don't see people raging because someone can play a game better. Better get used to it.


99% boils down to "I don't want anybody else to play something "better" than me". Can't be a financial issue cause if you can't save an Euro/Dollar a day until Q2017 then you're doing something really really wrong. Aside the fact that your PS4 will still have good resale value.

That's definitely a possibility. My anger stems from the fact I just purchases a second PS4 for my home End of Jan. I can't return it as I'm past the 30 day return window. So I feel in essence, cheated. I would have waited a year and just bought a new PS4k. However, IF there is some sore of trade in (which Gamespot will have independently I'm sure) that would ease a lot of my frustration.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Do you think if that Sony considered a class action from PS4 owners, who bought the console from the position of certainty on the representation of 10 year lifecycle.

Are you serious?

 

[Me_Marcadet]

Y

Considering we hardly get 1080p/30fps titles now, you can assume PS4 titles will be further affected by framerate and graphical issues once the focus shifts to PS4K for devs. Imagine getting something like the equivalent of Black Ops 3 on PS3 on the current PS4 (port having been outsourced to a outside dev, feature cut and badly optimised).

PS4 and ps4k share the same architecture. There will be no porting jobs and no need to outsource it. When you select a resolution on a PC game, is it outsourced porting ? Are you becoming a devhouse suddenly ?
This is not a generational leap, this is for people wanting more bells and whistles like hbao+, hairworks, complex shadows, better AA etc... Things that are possible on your above average gaming pc since the ps4 launched but weren't possible on consoles.

You will get the same games on the same disc, it just gives developpers and customers more options if they are willing to spend more money.

 

[Beefy]

So it's now ok to complain about a new product on the market simply because you can't afford it?

It's not like they are forcing anyone to buy it provided the games continue to come out on both versions.

People are complaining because they are either:

Annoyed they have just saved hard and bought a PS4 and can see this having a negative effect on it.

Or worried that devs could in time switch to working on the PS4k more thrn the og PS4.

Yes there is some hyperbole going around as well.

To simply say go get a better job instead of being a little annoyed with Sony is wrong. A lot of people have family to support, have poor paying jobs that they are stuck in. Live in areas that there is hardly any work so take anything just to get paid.

 

[Rbk_3]

That's the big guess here. "4k" could easily end up a fluke like "3D" and people not buying. Right now there's simply no content that is 4K and tv makers are really trying to force this on people. The need is absolutely not there. If Sony is good at creating this need with the PS4, the picture will get brighter. If not, this could end as a really bad guess by Sony.

No way. 4K is nothing like 3D. This would be like saying 1080p was a gimmick when 720p was the norm. There as already tons of content rolling in on Vudu and Netflix

 

[Ensoul]

It will only be a better of time before some games are not playable on the first gen ps4 though. While I was looking to buy another ps4 for another room in my house I don't have a 4K TV so I am wondering how much better the graphics would be anyway.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

They are playing the same fucking games.

What´s the big deal?

People are playing the same games on PC, XOne and PS4, but with different performance levels. This seems to be a big deal in many neogaf threads.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Fragmentation of the user base.
Makes PS4 obsolete.
Makes PS4 VR obsolete.
Makes exclusives for PS4 not exclusive.
Piss Off parents.
Confuse consumers.
Exclusives sell consoles.
Screw early PS4 adopters.
Possibly screw early PS4K adopters.

Call it a PS5, update the specs again, release it in 2018/2019

This is just a new road for consoles, but apple does the same thing with iPads. I just sell my old one and get the new one.

This wont ruin anything. The ps4 is selling great and people will keep buying them. Sony might drop the base price and there will be plenty of used ones out there too.

The games will be the same with graphical differences like they already are now between the ps4, xb1, and PC.

 

[Z3M0G]

It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.

Holy Fucking Shit.

I'm not happy.

 

[Melchettsmoustache]

I really can't think of any advantage you can have by knowing that everyone has the same hardware as you.

But I was never bound to a platform in terms of gaming. I always had a powerful PC and most of the new consoles at any given time. I really don't care if someone has the PS4k and I don't when playing a new game. Why should I?

IIRC when the first CoD released on Xbox and Ps4 DF analysis detailed that with longer draw distances and sharper graphics the abilitie to snipe a mob or hit a player target in multiplayer was better on the stronger hardware.

Would be one advantage straight off the top of my head and I assume there's and advantage of playing a twitch shooter at 60 for or 30 fps.

I've just shelled out for an I7 Gtx980ti so that will most likely be my gaming platform now however I was riled when MS performed it's anti consumer BS at their launch and it would be hypocritical not to do so when Sony does it.

I have my own Real Estate business and the day I decide to treat my clients selling £100k homes to a poorer standard than those buying £300k homes will be the day I expect to loose half my business. 40 million PS4 owners do not deserve a poorer performing console because they bought in earlier and made the platform what it is. We still have the issue of perpetual "flux" this creates with gimped PS4k games accommodating OG PS4 and OG PS4 having poorer quality experience due to lack of optimisation.

It's just a poor scenario all round.

 

[Trigker]

The Last of Us: Reremastered

 

[dead monkey uk]

So I'd have to buy a 4K TV, for which there is absolutely no content for, and this new console, just to get upscaled resolutions and texture improvements on games designed for PS4/XB1?

I would not think so, I think 4K content would be limited to media etc. At the specs talked about PS4K would be aiming at 1080/60 with improved textures/effects over the PS4 in gaming.

 

[eFKac]

But is this a dual GPU ? It's a GPU double the power.



You don't know that. It might be simple as fuck to adjust settings for PS4.

Sure, it's a hypothetical scenario, but going up in power and capabilities, as well as more platforms to support in a continuous cross gen state will lead to longer dev time no doubt. PS4/XB1 are the best examples, that no matter the ease of development, it's not the bottleneck anymore, scope, content, art is the most time consuming part.

At least before this gen, developers and publishers knew more or less how long development time will a game take and how much time do they have to get accustumed to the hardware, now it's gonna be way more dynamic and uncertain.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

If the OP is to be believed some games are going to be TARGETED for the PS4K and the PS4 will receive "SIGNIFICANT" downgraded versions.

I imagine they are going to be significantly downgraded from the PS4K version in the way current PS4 / Xbox One games are downgraded from thier PC counterparts. Durante already pointed out that a 2x increase would put the card roughly on par with a 280x, so there wouldn't be much more graphical power to do anything else.

 

[Toxa]

pure april fool now time to closed this thread

 

[Agent Gibbs]

What? hahaha jesus and people complained about split user bases with things like adding buttons and nubs to handhelds! 2x more powerful GPU's with everything in 4k or upscaled?

This can't be real

 

[cackhyena]

So how is it that MS and Sony come to the same conclusion at roughly the same time, that an evolution of their console is needed. Do they actually work together in some respects, or does one find out the other is heading that direction and immediately get the ball rolling on their own project?

It's just weird that they both are heading this way and are so in sync.

 

[valkyre]

This is just a new road for consoles, but apple does the same thing with iPads. I just sell my old one and get the new one.

This wont ruin anything. The ps4 is selling great and people will keep buying them. Sony might drop the base price and there will be plenty of used ones out there too.

Devs need 2 and 3 years to make AAA games... good luck to them if we update the hardware like apple does...

These are not small time mobile games. These are huge complex creations.

You think that if we adopt a 1-2 year console hardware upgrade, that devs are going to be able to exploit the full potential of the hardware? It would be impossible to do that, it will be even hard as hell to dev the game in such short time as it is.

 

[Wrynnax]

I'd love it if this was an elaborate april fools joke

 

[Pillville]

They are playing the same fucking games.

What´s the big deal?

You'll find out as soon as they announce the first PS4K exclusive next year, or when the PS4.0 version is noticeably gimped.

 

[Elandyll]

Fragmentation of the user base.

How? Same games work in either console.

Makes PS4 obsolete.

No, neither does the release of a higher priced version of a graphic card in a same line (cf 980/ 980ti), so long as pricing reflects the difference in features and marketing addresses the respective audiences

Makes PS4 VR obsolete.

How? PSVR obviously works, and works well, on PS4.

Makes exclusives for PS4 not exclusive.

Perhaps your weirdest argument. Borderline nonsensical. PS4 and PS4K are the same platform.

Piss Off parents.

How so? I'd say having the very same games available on two platforms, the PS4 being made cheaper in comparison for 1080p sets, is good news. It guarantees also that the PS4 platform is there for at least another 3+ years before the next big step.

Confuse consumers.

Only if marketing messes up or if you're a bit dumb maybe? PS4= 1080p TV, PS4K=4K TVs. $299 // $399 (or even $499, which is where I think they should go to emphasize the difference, with the risk of XB1.5 coming in at $399 )

Exclusives sell consoles.

Sure. And the PS4 platform has its fair share.

Screw early PS4 adopters.

Only those who had the delusion that their product of choice would be the most powerful box possibly connected to a TV for the next 4 years. By being pro active Sony is ensuring that their biggest competition is... themselves, and perenialize PS4 as the prefered mass platform for the foreseeable future.

Possibly screw early PS4K adopters.

Another head scratcher... If you mean that the PS5 would possibly come in within 3-4 years of the PS4K... Well... Duh?

Call it a PS5, update the specs again, release it in 2018/2019

Probably not gonna happen.

 

[Dahaka]

So how is it that MS and Sony come to the same conclusion at roughly the same time, that an evolution of their console is needed. Do they actually work together in some respects, or does one find out the other is heading that direction and immediately get the ball rolling on their own project?

It's just weird that they both are heading this way and are so in sync.

huge push from publishers/developers

 

[Corto]

What? hahaha jesus and people complained about split user bases with things like adding buttons and nubs to handhelds! 2x more powerful GPU's with everything in 4k or upscaled?

This can't be real

Adding buttons and nubs change significantly the experience of the two groups of users. And the gameplay/mechanics also will need to accommodate that change.

 

[GHG]

People are complaining because they are either:

Annoyed they have just saved hard and bought a PS4 and can see this having a negative effect on it.

Or worried that devs could in time switch to working on the PS4k more thrn the og PS4.

Yes there is some hyperbole going around as well.

To simply say go get a better job instead of being a little annoyed with Sony is wrong. A lot of people have family to support, have poor paying jobs that they are stuck in. Live in areas that there is hardly any work so take anything just to get paid.

Oh look there's something I really want but I can't afford it at the moment. Let me just complain on a message board, that will help. Hold on, just about to create a new account on Ferrarichat to complain about the new GTC4 Lusso. I'm hoping they will take pity on me and cancel the car all together. If I can't have it nobody else can. BRB.

Spoiler

But in all seriousness, nothing changes for the ps4 because of this. Developers and Sony are not about to leave behind 40 million users in favour of what is going to be a newer, more expensive and niche version of an already existing console. The OG PS4 will likely continue on as normal and even continue to outsell this newer version.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Releasing a new model in late 2016/early 2017 with the same specs that weren't even high end back in 2013 just wouldn't make sense.

There are less "casuals" in the console gaming space now and technology is improving too much. I mean, if it weren't for the PS4K we would probably still see "the best of consoles" being some 900p games in 2019-2020.

Yes this is a necessary measure IMO. Both consoles are already struggling less than 3 full years in.

 

[Ranger X]

No way. 4K is nothing like 3D. This would be like saying 1080p was a gimmick when 720p was the norm. There as already tons of content rolling in on Vudu and Netflix

Well, I didn't mean nothing EXISTS in 4k. 1080p is needed for our 40 inches living room TVs. 4k needs 2 things: plethora more content + 60 inches living rooms to become important. And I wonder if that will ever become mainstream really. 4k will probably stay niche (and therefore perceived as a gimmick by most --- just like 3D) for a very very long time.

But you know, society changes. People are becoming more and more naturals with consumption and who knows what they can create in matter of "needs" in 2016. There's at least a theorical change this "guess" will work.

 

[mangochutney]

I just noticed "Q1 2017"
Seriously?
How about you run an ad campaign saying "Only an idiot would buy the old PS4 for Christmas this year".
The XBone/PS4 were released just before Christmas for a reason.

If you have spent 3 years waiting to buy a PS4 then you clearly are not the type of person who is going to rush out and buy a PS4K on launch day.

 

[TheSlySoul]

What? hahaha jesus and people complained about split user bases with things like adding buttons and nubs to handhelds! 2x more powerful GPU's with everything in 4k or upscaled?

This can't be real

Also the new 3DS did offer some more things than just a performance upgrade such as customizable covers and a new screen size.
Not sure what PS4K has to offer for it to be worth buying compared to N3DS upgrade from old 3DS.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

When it's being revealed that NX is simply the same Wii U hardware with 2 times more beef on the GPU side?

Sorry, but this is a poor argument. They still abandoned their console early regardless of what they name the replacement or what architecture they use. PS4 will still be fully supported for the foreseeable future.