Define bomb.
Because I think it's safe to say no-one at WB before BvS, or after, expects any of those solo films to make a billion. But a profit? That's perfectly possible.
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Define bomb.
Because I think it's safe to say no-one at WB before BvS, or after, expects any of those solo films to make a billion. But a profit? That's perfectly possible.
Discotheque
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seeing how wonder woman performs is a good predictor of this since it's the first (directly related film) following up BvS.
There's more intrigue, excitement, and despair in the anticipation for these numbers than in the actual movie.
Dash_Riprock
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$15 million.
Holy fuck. What I would give to see inside WB HQ right now!
Holy fuck. What I would give to see inside WB HQ right now!
Divided they stood.
United they fall.
DarkLordMalik
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Zack Snyder is getting sacked. Justice League delayed. Count on it.
WB is insane if they don't give Snyder the boot. There's nothing in his track record to suggest that he can right this ship that he is causing, himself, to sink.
Dash_Riprock
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Will this finally shut up people who say that critics don't impact box office?
There is a vision. Snyder clearly has a very particular overall tone and outline of the DC universe. You might not like it, but you cannot deny it is there. If the plan is just to "catch up with Marvel" they really wouldn't be making movies like Suicide Squad.
It means it made 15 american million dollars on Friday.
So your, and other peoples, logic in reaction to a 'bomb' is to.
1) Sack Snyder.
2) Find someone else to direct it.
3) Hope that person will use Snyder''s storyboards.
3a) If that person won't use Snyder's storyboards, delay the film.
Is that the logic? Because let me tell you, if they delay Justice League it'll cost them tens of millions at the least to keep sets/reschedule actors/reschedule crew. And if they have someone else shoot Snyder's storyboards, it's X-Men 3 all over again.
And that's not going to bring you the MCU version of the DCEU y'all want.
When?
Dash_Riprock
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It means come Monday Hulk may no longer hold the record for worst 2nd weekend drop.
Discotheque
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forreal. i think suicide squad is their boldest one (well BvS was bold too but botched execution for the most part)
i love how there's already so much established history with batman. i just hope they don't hammer it in our heads and just let it flow naturally.
Yeah, it's not happening. The cost of starting over with a new directors vision or another director directing his movie....Not happening. It's way too far in production.
its possible, it worked for ant-man (but that wasnt a week before production started).
Exactly and they didn't have much of a choice when the director bails. Different situation.
milanbaros
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Couldn't that be word of mouth?
But but only the critics hated it!
Is justice league part 1 and 2 being shot back to back? They could at least shoot part 1 as planned with some script changes but delay part 2 and give it another director.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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The DCCU, if successfully launched (which BvS just failed to do), could be worth billions of dollars for WB and last for more than a decade. I agree that it's probably too late to change directors but I don't think it would be a mistake in the long run despite how costly that decision would be for the next few months.
Snyder is still making that Justice League. Don't know if he gets his 2 parter, but I think he'll still be doing the first one. Just that now he'll have more people in his ear during production. I'm still not sure why WB let this guy be basically the head honcho of their just starting out cinematic universe, but they can't easily reverse that decision.
The problem is that if they delay it, there's no guarantee they'll make the money back. It's also a chicken shit attitude to pacify people, and those sorts of decisions never end well.
It's certainly not universally loved, so that doesn't help. I happened to think there's some really great stuff in there, it just needed focus. It honestly needed to be two movies and room to breathe.
Justice League Mortal was to be directed by George Miller. Was cancelled at the last possible second.
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According to that article its because unlike Marvel there is no Kevin Feige-like producer over at WB who has a final say over all aspects of the DCEU. There are no execs at WB with extensive knowledge of DC characters so they're just letting the directors do their own thing and hope it works.
Well, we've seen how well its worked thus far..
Nolan has been actively involved as well and he did make the best SH film of modern times. So let's not pretend nobody has a clue.
Discotheque
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i dunno about a lot of the cast or the script (haven't read it)
but the action scenes and immortan joe as martian manhunter would have fucking rocked.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Batman movies can make a billion dollars easily, Superman got close to 700 million last time and could probably clear 800 with a better reception. Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman have a lot of positive buzz and Warner doesn't really have anything else to latch on to right now aside from Fantastic Beasts. They need the DCCU to take off the right way and they should bite the bullet and retool Justice League, they will get their money back if they do it the right way. I don't think micro-managing every decision Snyder makes on JL is going to give us a better movie than BvS. As someone said earlier, they should give James Wan a call and push JL six months. Although, Wan might be tired of having to rescue franchises but I think he could do it.
I think the telling thing here is that with a 'mediocre' film they've raked in more than any non Avengers phase 1 film in under a week. Said films being 'faithful' to the comics. That's a good omen for them, given films the 'fans' love stand a good chance of making a shit-load of money.
Of course, Batman v Superman are brand names/they should be making more/blah blah blah.
Fuck that is what Wan is gonna say. He's knee deep in Aquaman and he just came from a disaster prod with Furious 7 and they threw him oodles of money to make 8 and he turned it down to make Conjuring 2. That's his head space. No way does he want any part of scraping his own movie to start anew. I just don't see it.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Wait, what? I was aware of the George Miller Justice League movie but I didn't now about that, it would have been insane. And the worst thing is : I was rooting for that movie to be cancelled back in the day. How silly...
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Oh, I know, that's just wishful thinking on my part. The weird thing is that I actually prefer Zack Snyder to James Wan in general but I think that Wan is a better fit for Justice League.
I don't think that's really a good omen. Batman and Superman alone are bigger than any Marvel character except maybe Spiderman, they should make more money than Thor or Iron Man. And what's really not a good omen is that the film won't come close to making as much money as The Dark Knight, a film released before 3D or the international BO explosion.
Eh? Nolan's only involvement was getting an EP credit on Batman v Superman, by all accounts he has nothing to do with the process.
Anyway, the solution to 'fix' the DCEU will be extensive rewrites and producer-heavy reshoots, and possibly delaying some of the more outlandish films and moving up the more likely 'hits'.
Discotheque
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this is the bust they made for him, was gonna be CG (prolly)
he would have had a great voice for the character.
Snyder talked to Nolan quite a bit or at least I read. Esp on the ending with Superman.
Pretty sure that was only for Man of Steel, not anything later.
Don't play the TDK card in this dojo, no-one thought that'd make a billion. It did twice Batman Begins box office no less. Still amazed TDKR did a billion too to be honest. I think we all fooled ourselves into thinking Batman had a billion dollars worth of box office on his own, when it was a combo of factors (Ledger, an incredible film, Nolan raising the bar) that got that to a billion.
It's the same way the next Iron Man film, without RDJ, is not coming close to a billion by the way.
Dash_Riprock
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Yes and he ignored his advice.
Nah. Nolan told him to make his movie because after he's done someone else will make it. He said don't be so precious on the characters and he agreed on the ending of BvS.
I mean that's basically what Nolan did in his movies was to make them all his own. Of course his movies are much tighter and he's a better director, but lets not split hairs! LOL!
Discotheque
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he reluctantly agreed on the man of steel zod ending. that i didn't really have a problem with anyways. it's the often messy execution of snyder that's the problem in all of this.
on paper these are interesting stories....on paper.
on paper these are interesting stories....on paper.
Basically. He brushes up against interesting ideas, but he never knows how to engage with them in a truly satisfying way.
And there's a lot of good stuff in BvS. I loved a lot of it, but it's way too many ideas colliding and it doesn't hold the weight as a whole.
Your average DC comic then.
I think there's something poetic about Marvel having a clear and simple throughline (like their comics) and DC being chaotic and throw shit at the wall (like their comics.) The DCEU even feels like a DC event comic at this point, and I for one love it.
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